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Parra vs Roosters - Game Day Thread

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benkustosgrandmother

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Listened to Ricky and gotta say what a tough gig ! He has a terrible roster to deal with and is doing his best.

I just hope we stick by him and give him a few years to do his thing.

This year could get really bad if we have a few injuries ! Not much doing behind the first grade squad.
 
Chipmunk

Chipmunk

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magpie4ever said:
I watched Vai Toutai (Fairfield Utd) for a number of years in the juniors - he has talent and will only turn 20 this year.

He should not be in 1st grade but in the U20s this year and in reserve grade (Wenty) for a couple more after that; but such is the ineptitude of Parramatta's recruitment and junior rep selectors that this young bloke has been rushed in to an very ordinary side where he is clearly out of his depth.

The funny part is that there were at least 2-3 players from other teams that would control Vai when these teams played Fairfield; while they received minor rep honours at junior level these guys were continually overlooked by Parramatta.

Now as an ex-footballer (but looking at it like a coach) I ask the following question - who do I want in my future teams - the junior star (Vai) or the player/s who controlled him whenever they met - to be honest probably both, but if I had to pick one - the kid in the lesser team that was able to control the star in the star team. That what your so-called talent scouts don't have the talent to see.

Parramatta and Penrith have the same problem - they bring in junior rep players (usually from the gun local district teams) from junior rep teams that have not lost too many games over their junior years and suddenly they put up against players that now are not under sized or over-awed - they then need to get into the trenches, get dirty and battle in each game for the win, but having never done this before they don't know how to and everyone scratches their heads (talent scouts and fans) and say, what is wrong?

Answer - your talent scouts and rep selectors don't have any talent to pick the right players for the future open age competitions.

Question - does anyone know Nolan's background as an actual rugby league player?
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Nice post mate, you make some interesting points. I think most junior rep teams choose the biggest and fastest players and quite often alot of players get selected from the best teams with the best players.
 
magpie4ever

magpie4ever

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Chipmunk said:
Nice post mate, you make some interesting points. I think most junior rep teams choose the biggest and fastest players and quite often alot of players get selected from the best teams with the best players.
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Yes, problem is many of the really talented players are not in the best teams and get overlooked.

A talent scout should have the ability to see past the superstar team and look at the individual players, problem is most of them don't have this ability.

I have personally seen player/s in the lesser team/s who are doing 40 plus tackles a match and doing a phenomenal job in attack in a beaten side but get continually overlooked for rep honours - I just shake my head and go - there is another one they missed out on.

I mentioned on another thread that the last truly good juniors that Parramatta has converted to truly good 1st grade players are: Cayless (Wentwortville), Hindmarsh (Robertson), Lyons (Country) and probably Burt (Newcastle); cant think of others, at this time. Only Cayless is a local junior.

Forget Hayne, he was a Wests junior and to my mind still needs to prove himself (outside of his freakish late season form in 2009).

How is this possible from the talent available in the Parramatta district?
 
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magpie4ever said:
I mentioned on another thread that the last truly good juniors that Parramatta has converted to truly good 1st grade players are: Cayless (Wentwortville), Hindmarsh (Robertson), Lyons (Country) and probably Burt (Newcastle); cant think of others, at this time. Only Cayless is a local junior.

Forget Hayne, he was a Wests junior and to my mind still needs to prove himself (outside of his freakish late season form in 2009).

How is this possible from the talent available in the Parramatta district?
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Because kids from the Parramatta district are 'local' to every club in Sydney. Just like all the other kids in Sydney are 'local' for us (e.g. Jarryd Hayne from Campbelltown).

That's why most other clubs all have kids from Parramatta playing for them. There's no rules against it. Nothing stopping those clubs or the kids they sign into their junior rep teams.

You mention Hindmarsh, Lyon and Burt - three Parramatta 'juniors' who aren't from Parramatta.

Our 'junior nursery' is the biggest myth in the game. It's the Sydney nursery and it belongs to everyone.

The challenge is recognising the future first graders and keeping them out of the player market through contract extensions, and we'd be stupid to limit ourselves to kids from the Parramatta district.
 
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Tony Bongo

Tony Bongo

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Mr Pmatta said:
Ben Smith is neons from where he used to be, would you argue that point? He is a habitual offender when it comes to givin away penalties, I really don't see the "grey area" and honestly believe he would struggle for Wenty!!!!!
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Yes I agree with your first point that he is not what he used to be but saying he would struggle for Wenty is a gross over exaggeration.
 
Tony Bongo

Tony Bongo

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benkustosgrandmother said:
Listened to Ricky and gotta say what a tough gig ! He has a terrible roster to deal with and is doing his best.

I just hope we stick by him and give him a few years to do his thing.

This year could get really bad if we have a few injuries ! Not much doing behind the first grade squad.
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I agree - only time will tell.
 
Noise

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The 20's were bad too. Blew a 16 nil half time lead to lose 22-20. There is nothing coming through there. We are f**ked.

Out of our starting 13, who do we think would start at any other club?

Hayne and maybe Mannah.

What a shit squad
 
Delboy

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Anyone who looked at the roster and thought we would finish better than 12th were kidding themselves.

We have now a good coaching structure, a good CEO, a better admin and a terrific fan base. It now takes the fans to support the club and understand that it will take time to rebuild.

The club is suffering from 6 years of initially coaches who didn't do anything about the club in an overall sense, and the last coach who appeared to understand what is needed, but couldn't recruit as he seemed to be persona non grate to players.

We played a side last night built by Brian Smith, enough said, he was the last coach who understood the whole of club attitude that set the club up. Unfortunately patience is a virtue we will need, against the Rorters the team tried but was undermanned, thanks to an extent to the last couple of years and some terrible long term contracts , not initiated by the current coach and admin

In relation to Magpies4ever. I have spoken to the current development staff, and also listened to Craig Wilson and Anthony Field at junior league seminars, and they are now delving g down into the lower Divs in the district, hope that works
 
Gronk

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I just watched the presser. Sticky just read the script from a Kearney presser.

"all the boys tried hard"

"long road ahead"

"they had a far better roster than us"

Sorry Mr Stuart, but their roster is not 50 nil better than us. It's about effort and enthusiasm that caused the blow out in the score.
 
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spiderdan

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after a decent start it was an awful performance (seems i was wrong and we could play that bad two weeks in a row). after starting off completing 6/6 sets we went into half time at 10/16 i think it was. it's very hard to compete in any sport when you are gifting your opposition possession.

my apologies to any rooster fans who may read this as having a go at their team, i'm not. you only play what's in front of you and roosters took full advantage (as they should've).

i think actually holding onto the ball would've made a huge difference (actually tackling and not calling "touched" would help too). i am still not panicking as i am pretty sure in 05 we were pumped by souths and maybe brisbane in rounds 2 and 3 before clicking. i think the squad we have is a hell of a lot better than they showed last night.
 
Tony Bongo

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I thought Paulo improved considerably last night. He ran straight and hard and topped the tackle count.
 
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