Parramatta Eels Holden Cup & Junior Reps Thread Part III

[Bazal]

ZDC is in his 3rd year if u20's, Matterson is supposedly in full time squad best season. They should have shut the game out IMO. But that's ok they got close, they should have won that game by plenty but thought they only had to play for 15mins to win.

It's endemic throughout all th grades.

SG ball were minor premiers and choked as well, and let's not forget how well first grade finished the season when we had plenty to play for.

But don't worry it's only 20's.

Just because we overrate the players, doesn't mean they deserve it. Matterson and ZDC are both typical NYC halves at this stage...look, at the end of the day, NYC is just a group of kids trying to play frenetic, high intensity footy. I'm not going to read into a loss to the kings of frenetic, high intensity footy (who knocked out the runaway minor premiers last week, BTW).

 

[Chipmunk]

Personally I think we saw why Kelepi was the one to go. He is a good player, don't get me wrong, and I'd have loved to have kept him....but he just runs straight and hard. Great when you have 10kgs and 16 games FG experience on everyone else in NYC, but he's one dimensional. He may prove me wrong, but I don't see him developing a step like Manu Ma'u and Pauli have, he's not a hole runner like Moeroa, and he doesn't have an offload like Junior Paulo.

Give Fuimoana, Twal, and Ailoai a season or two (and a taste of the top, like Kelepi) and I think they'll be head and shoulders above the NYC guys too.

Nothing wrong with running straight and hard mate, we have very few players in our NRL team that can do it at the moment.

Souths and Roosters have a plethora of players that can just run straight and hard and win the play the ball area. Doesn't seem to do them any harm.

 

[Bazal]

I was told they made a choice , extend Ma'u and Edwards or keep Kelepi. Think the aggression and ball skills they have probably made the decision easier

Never like to lose good kids, and he is, came to my club as part of a NRL players at junior clubs and was great. Hope he does well, but just have some doubts he is the next big thing , he ends to develop like say Greg Bird to be more effective

If that's the case, then it's a no brainer. Edwards and Ma'u are streets ahead of Kelepi.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Tanginoa's too short to win the ruck in first grade. Great line breaker one-on-one, but he's not an outside back. He's a real tweener. No position completely suits him.

 

[Bazal]

Nothing wrong with running straight and hard mate, we have very few players in our NRL team that can do it at the moment.

Souths and Roosters have a plethora of players that can just run straight and hard and win the play the ball area. Doesn't seem to do them any harm.

No, there's nothing wrong with it at all, and a couple of our blokes could learn from him. But Edwards and Ma'u run hard and straight, as does Junior Paulo. Tepai and Pauli are excellent edge runners too. I'm saying that I don't think Kelepi has the extras that the guys in front him, ie those type of players, have. You can't keep everyone and Kelepi is a bit one dimensional at this stage.

 

[Chipmunk]

Tanginoa's too short to win the ruck in first grade. Great line breaker one-on-one, but he's not an outside back. He's a real tweener. No position completely suits him.

I think I agree with that, I think he will be pretty valuable for the Cows though, were he has better middle forwards to the do the hard work up front for him.

 

[hineyrulz]

So who would you rather keep out of Moeroa and Kelepi? We also extended Jnr Paulo this season, and extended Mannah's contract. And Matterson is a potential number 13 as well as 6. And, of course, there's the Watmough thing.

He will be a fair to excellent buy for the Cowboys. It's not rocket science to work out that you can't keep em all. I personally would have been happy to keep Kelepi rather than Pauli Pauli....coz I have doubts about Pauli...

We extended Junior Paulo last year, he only came into the top 25 because we we let someone go. Tepai was a must re-signing and it shouldn't have had anything to do with Kelepi who was signed last season. There are plenty of blokes at the club who i would happy to see the back of before Kelepi. Allgood,Lussick and Terepo just to name a few. I also agree on Pauli, he could be the best forward in the game but i don't think he is tough enough and doesn't have that mongrel in him.

 

[Noise]

Tanginoa's too short to win the ruck in first grade. Great line breaker one-on-one, but he's not an outside back. He's a real tweener. No position completely suits him.

He is the same height as watmough and gallen but heavier. Are they too short too?

 

[hineyrulz]

Tanginoa's too short to win the ruck in first grade. Great line breaker one-on-one, but he's not an outside back. He's a real tweener. No position completely suits him.

Yeah like Sam Moa, he's far to short as well.

 

[Chipmunk]

No, there's nothing wrong with it at all, and a couple of our blokes could learn from him. But Edwards and Ma'u run hard and straight, as does Junior Paulo. Tepai and Pauli are excellent edge runners too. I'm saying that I don't think Kelepi has the extras that the guys in front him, ie those type of players, have. You can't keep everyone and Kelepi is a bit one dimensional at this stage.

I've got no issue with offloading Tanginoa. My original comments on Tanginoa was that he is far superior than any other forward in that Under 20s team tonight.

 

[Chipmunk]

Just because we overrate the players, doesn't mean they deserve it. Matterson and ZDC are both typical NYC halves at this stage...look, at the end of the day, NYC is just a group of kids trying to play frenetic, high intensity footy. I'm not going to read into a loss to the kings of frenetic, high intensity footy (who knocked out the runaway minor premiers last week, BTW).

I'd be interested to know what some other decent current NRL halves were like in the Under 20s. I think it seems like a position that you're possibly never going to be great at in the Under 20s.

 

[Bazal]

I've got no issue with offloading Tanginoa. My original comments on Tanginoa was that he is far superior than any other forward in that Under 20s team tonight.

Fair enough. In that case I agree, but I also see that comparing a 20yo with 16 FG games under his belt to guys in their first full year of NYC or straight out of SG Ball isn't a fair comparison. If Kelepi wasn't the best forward out there in blue it would have been a bit of a shock

 

[Y2Eel]

Ailoai is the next to make the step up I believe...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He is the same height as watmough and gallen but heavier. Are they too short too?

Neither of them win the ruck either. Instead they bring workrate and aggression. Gallen is also insanely strong, for some reason.

Also, both Gallen and Watmough started their careers out wide, where they were good edge defenders. Tanginoa isn't.

 

[Bazal]

I'd be interested to know what some other decent current NRL halves were like in the Under 20s. I think it seems like a position that you're possibly never going to be great at in the Under 20s.

I think the sort of halves that excel are the Sandow, Marshall and Johnson types, because of the type of game it is. I think guys who play like DCE are on a hiding to nothing at that level

 

[Noise]

Neither of them win the ruck either. Instead they bring workrate and aggression. Gallen is also insanely strong, for some reason.

Also, both Gallen and Watmough started their careers out wide, where they were good edge defenders. Tanginoa isn't.

Hahaha

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah like Sam Moa, he's far to short as well.

The bloke who played his first full season in the NRL at age 27? There must've been something holding him back until his late 20s.

He's hardly a star now even. He just plays in a good pack where he's free to be one dimensional.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

We extended Junior Paulo last year, he only came into the top 25 because we we let someone go. Tepai was a must re-signing and it shouldn't have had anything to do with Kelepi who was signed last season. There are plenty of blokes at the club who i would happy to see the back of before Kelepi. Allgood,Lussick and Terepo just to name a few. I also agree on Pauli, he could be the best forward in the game but i don't think he is tough enough and doesn't have that mongrel in him.

But you've got to get someone to take them.......

 

[Chipmunk]

I think the sort of halves that excel are the Sandow, Marshall and Johnson types, because of the type of game it is. I think guys who play like DCE are on a hiding to nothing at that level

Yeah sounds about right. I think there is alot to like about Matterson and ZDC, but they also have a ridiculous amount to learn.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I've got no issue with offloading Tanginoa. My original comments on Tanginoa was that he is far superior than any other forward in that Under 20s team tonight.

Well considering he was in the top 25 paid players in the club you'd hope so.

What we need are forwards willing to sign outside the top 25, because we have enough in the top 25 already.

The only members of that pack graduating this year are Tanginoa, Mauala and Kamikamica. I'd be surprised if the latter two ever play first grade. Plus there's Moeroa, Pauli and Pritchard who have all played first grade already.

Of the remainder, they all graduate next year except for Twal and Fuimaono who graduate the year after. Who will play first grade? Probably Aloiai, and maybe also Tepu-Smith and Fuimaono. The rest of them could be twice the player they are after the off season. It's hard to tell with young players, especially forwards.