Parramatta Eels Holden Cup & Junior Reps Thread Part III

[Chipmunk]

No of course not.

The only NYC winners that have translated to NRL premiership success were the 2009 premiers (Melbourne Storm) and the '09 minor premiers (Manly).

However the 2010 minor premiers (Souths) and the 2012 minor premiers (Canterbury) are facing off in next weekend's NRL decider.

You could say that NYC minor premierships are a better predictor of NRL success. I have always maintained that minor premierships are a better indicator of a team's quality, and therefore finishing highly on the ladder is a better indicator than winning NYC finals matches,

Id agree with performances over a season are better. That Souths 2010 team still only has one player still at the Club (Reynolds). Alot of time, effort and money invested for one player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Id agree with performances over a season are better. That Souths 2010 team still only has one player still at the Club (Reynolds). Alot of time, effort and money invested for one player.

But you're only looking at one season. Clearly their 'academy' was strong over multiple seasons, culminating in a minor premiership and grand final appearance. How many of Souths' current 17 have played in their NYC team? More to the point, how many of their entire fulltime squad? That'll show you what allowed them to spend big where it was needed.

 

[Chipmunk]

But you're only looking at one season. Clearly their 'academy' was strong over multiple seasons, culminating in a minor premiership and grand final appearance. How many of Souths' current 17 have played in their NYC team? More to the point, how many of their entire fulltime squad? That'll show you what allowed them to spend big where it was needed.

They have lots, which just further proves my point that, you do not have to have a team that makes a Grand Final or win a minor premiership in the Under 20's competitions, to be able to develop players through your junior systems that will help you be successful in the NRL.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No you don't, but if you are developing such players you will inevitably have some very successful years.

 

[Chipmunk]

No you don't, but if you are developing such players you will inevitably have some very successful years.

I would suggest that next year if both Moeroa and ZDC played the entire season in the Under 20s that we would have a very strong and potential minor premiership winning team (well we weren't far away from this season). But I think both players would be better served if at worse they played in the NSW Cup. This obviously won't be helping us win an Under 20s title though.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If they were the only two good under 20s players we had then you might have a point.

 

[Chipmunk]

If they were the only two good under 20s players we had then you might have a point.

Of course there are plenty more good players who will play in the Under 20s next season, but I'm using those two players particularly as an example of why winning the Under 20's comp is not a priority.

Both players are eligible for the Under 20s next year, but I think for their own development they would be wasted in the Under 20s, particularly Moeroa. If we have an opinion of ZDC then I think we should get him out of that Under 20s competition and have him develop where the actual game is a bit more real than the touch football like Under 20s. Personally I think we should give Matterson and ZDC a full season together in a real football environment.

It might be better to have some others play in the NSW Cup too, but I haven't seen enough of the rest of the team to provide an argument either way.

However, if we want to try and just win Under 20's competitions then I will leave them there all year.

 

[Y2Eel]

Take Penrith as an example, They won under 20s last year blooded players to NSW and First grade had a fair amount of injuries in First grade but still had quality players to fill the gaps.

Won the NSW cup final today missing alot of talent from the NSW cup team through injuries and being promoted to first grade.

You can go out and buy a team Like the roosters, have a few (2-3) good years or start from 18 up like manly storm and have success over a long period..

 

[Chipmunk]

Take Penrith as an example, They won under 20s last year blooded players to NSW and First grade had a fair amount of injuries in First grade but still had quality players to fill the gaps.

Won the NSW cup final today missing alot of talent from the NSW cup team through injuries and being promoted to first grade.

You can go out and buy a team Like the roosters, have a few (2-3) good years or start from 18 up like manly storm and have success over a long period..

The Roosters have done an excellent job at recruiting junior players and turned them into top quality NRL players over the past few years. We could learn more than a few things from a club like the Roosters.

 

[Y2Eel]

The Roosters have done an excellent job at recruiting junior players and turned them into top quality NRL players over the past few years. We could learn more than a few things from a club like the Roosters.

The Roosters wont be a top 4 side next year with out SBW.

Having said that they do a great job stealing juniors already being scouted by other teams...

 

[Chipmunk]

The Roosters wont be a top 4 side next year with out SBW.

Having said that they do a great job stealing juniors already being scouted by other teams...

The Roosters have a far superior team than we do, with or without SBW. They will be there or thereabouts again next year.

How did they steal these juniors? I'm guessing they just provided more of an incentive than their current club was willing to provide.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

I don't think we should model our junior rep teams on those of the Roosters. We have a completely different set-up that when utilised correctly can make us a dominant force all the way through to the NSW cup. When looking at our Harold Matts and SG Ball trial lists there was a mixture of local Parra juniors, juniors from across NSW, and other states.

The Roosters will be using the Wyong Roos as their NSW cup team next year and that means they'll have a bigger presence on the Central Coast from next year onwards. The Central Coast has a lot of good players and Newcastle have basically abandoned that area bar a few players.

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't think we should model our junior rep teams on those of the Roosters. We have a completely different set-up that when utilised correctly can make us a dominant force all the way through to the NSW cup. When looking at our Harold Matts and SG Ball trial lists there was a mixture of local Parra juniors, juniors from across NSW, and other states.

The Roosters will be using the Wyong Roos as their NSW cup team next year and that means they'll have a bigger presence on the Central Coast from next year onwards. The Central Coast has a lot of good players and Newcastle have basically abandoned that area bar a few players.

I didn't mean that we should model our juniors on the Roosters, I just said that we could learn some things from the Roosters in general, not just in the recruitment of juniors.

 

[Y2Eel]

I didn't mean that we should model our juniors on the Roosters, I just said that we could learn some things from the Roosters in general, not just in the recruitment of juniors.

What can we learn from them?

Pay overs for juniors?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How is it overs when it works?

 

[isaiah]

No of course not.

The only NYC winners that have translated to NRL premiership success were the 2009 premiers (Melbourne Storm) and the '09 minor premiers (Manly).

However the 2010 minor premiers (Souths) and the 2012 minor premiers (Canterbury) are facing off in next weekend's NRL decider.

You could say that NYC minor premierships are a better predictor of NRL success. I have always maintained that minor premierships are a better indicator of a team's quality, and therefore finishing highly on the ladder is a better indicator than winning NYC finals matches,

"i have always maintained?" funny the assessment comes the day after you get bundled out.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What difference does it make? We finished third on the ladder and final four in the finals. It's the same either way you look at it.

Anyway, our two best forwards spent most of the year in first grade. We would've finished much higher if they had played more games. Same with the Knights - we were the best two teams but missed out on the grand final due to having key players unavailable.

 

[Chipmunk]

What can we learn from them?

Pay overs for juniors?

The Roosters have won 2 premierships and been in 6 Grand Finals in the last 15 years. They have also been regular finalists, who very rarely miss the finals 2 years in a row during the period. And they have manage to do this without a junior competition and a minimal amount of supporters.

Parramatta on the other hand haven't won so much as a chook raffle for 28 years with one of the biggest supporter bases and junior leagues in the country. If Souths win the comp next week, we will then become the team with the longest period since winning their last premiership (excluding those Clubs that have yet to win one).

Now I don't know about you, but the records seem to show that they have done far better than what we have. So I would say we could learn a thing or two from them.

But if your happy for us to continue to do what we have done for the last 28 years then that's you. I'm not

 

[T.S Quint]

Parramatta on the other hand haven't won so much as a chook raffle for 28 years with one of the biggest supporter bases and junior leagues in the country.

2 Minor Premierships.
It's not much, but it's not nothing.

If Souths win the comp next week, we will then become the team with the longest period since winning their last premiership (excluding those Clubs that have yet to win one).

You exluded them already when you said "last Premiership".
But even if you didn't, that's not very fair. Why exclude them?
It would only be the Sharks anyway.

 

[Chipmunk]

2 Minor Premierships.
It's not much, but it's not nothing.

That's the problem with most Parra fans, you're happy, actually some are ecstatic, with mediocrity. 2 Minor Premierships only in 28 year is just unacceptable given the resources at the disposal of the club.

You exluded them already when you said "last Premiership".
But even if you didn't, that's not very fair. Why exclude them?
It would only be the Sharks anyway.

The Titans, Warriors and the Cowboys are yet to win comps either