Parramatta Eels Holden Cup & Junior Reps Thread Part III

[hineyrulz]

As I've pinpointed the other day, the problem goes much more deeper than just hiring an assistant coach..... Maybe just maybe The GM will no longer ignore the requests by Halesy for further assistance..

Why are they cutting costs the leagues club made such a big profit last year????

All the top clubs are spending more not less on their football departments. Suppose we are not a top club........

 

[Stagger eel]

What sort of assistance are you referring to? Across the coaching / management team or playing manpower or both?

For a start replace the full time trainer and assistant with another full time trainer and assistant and not a part time bloke..

 

[The Colonel]

As I've pinpointed the other day, the problem goes much more deeper than just hiring an assistant coach..... Maybe just maybe The GM will no longer ignore the requests by Halesy for further assistance..

Is the first grade coach not paying any attention to the lower grades Muz? I find this funny if it is the case particularly when Arthur was here under Kearney there was rumours of rumblings between the two because of Kearney's reluctance to view the lower grade sides...

 

[Stagger eel]

Why are they cutting costs the leagues club made such a big profit last year????

All the top clubs are spending more not less on their football departments. Suppose we are not a top club........

Sorry, I should of answered this last night when asked.. The long and short of it is that I don't know... Maybe Seward, Anderson and Sharp can shed some light?

 

[hineyrulz]

Sorry, I should of answered this last night when asked.. The long and short of it is that I don't know... Maybe Seward, Anderson and Sharp can shed some light?

Shouldnt be too hard to get a quote out of Seward shouldn't it???? :sarcasm:

 

[Stagger eel]

Is the first grade coach not paying any attention to the lower grades Muz? I find this funny if it is the case particularly when Arthur was here under Kearney there was rumours of rumblings between the two because of Kearney's reluctance to view the lower grade sides...

I think the FG coach and his assistance are overseeing the progress of the lower grades but the GM is the one that should be taking charge and making sure this doesn't happen or else what the hell is DA's role?

 

[hineyrulz]

I think the FG coach and his assistance are overseeing the progress of the lower grades but the GM is the one that should be taking charge and making sure this doesn't happen or else what the hell is DA's role?

Upsetting player managers and booking the pool I think...........

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah our fulltime squad is really where we want it :lol:

Or not far from where we want to be :crazy:

Is our NRL squad short of depth or stars? The only external players we have so far signed for next year are a current Origin forward and an international half. Our depth is fine. Arthur has even stated so.

 

[Stagger eel]

Shouldnt be too hard to get a quote out of Seward shouldn't it???? :sarcasm:

Oh I'm sure we'll get the obligatory 'it's the former administrators fault and we're just trying to fix it' ..... And then he'll hope like hell that we'll forget that the same group we're a minute away from GF birth last year

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I think the FG coach and his assistance are overseeing the progress of the lower grades but the GM is the one that should be taking charge and making sure this doesn't happen or else what the hell is DA's role?

Is it just an issue of ego, or is the idea that DA has someone lined up for next year and doesn't want to commit to more than he has to for this year? Or something else (is he just dim)?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well maybe we should go 1 better and approach the NRL about pulling out of the competition if we're going to cut funding and resources for our juniors...

Except the TV deal that pays so much of our bills obliges us to field an NYC team.

Anyway, where would our youngsters play when they're too old for SG Ball but not ready to play NSW Cup against grown men on fulltime contracts?

 

[hineyrulz]

Is our NRL squad short of depth or stars? The only external players we have so far signed for next year are a current Origin forward and an international half. Our depth is fine. Arthur has even stated so.

Outside back depth fine???? You can't be serious??? We don't have a first grade fullback and one first grade standard winger. We are struggling in Wenty and getting murderered in the u20's. Maybe our RM cup depth is strong????

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Oh I'm sure we'll get the obligatory 'it's the former administrators fault and we're just trying to fix it' ..... And then he'll hope like hell that we'll forget that the same group we're a minute away from GF birth last year

That's a bit dishonest Stagger. This 'same group' has lost Folau, Goodall, Lavaka, Matterson, Moeroa, Pauli, Tanginoa, Newbigging, Pritchard, Lussick and Kamikamica. Plus Aloiai doesn't play for them every week.

Who has replaced that lot? French, Fuimaono and a couple of SG Ball players.

 

[hineyrulz]

Oh I'm sure we'll get the obligatory 'it's the former administrators fault and we're just trying to fix it' ..... And then he'll hope like hell that we'll forget that the same group we're a minute away from GF birth last year

We'll get about 8 "well looks" in as well, after last season the 20's should have at least been competitive this year. Quite a few coming back with quite a few coming up from a strong SG ball team last year. And wenty what else can you say??? Promising youngsters have gone backwards in a big way, it can't be a coincidence.

 

[Stagger eel]

That's a bit dishonest Stagger. This 'same group' has lost Folau, Goodall, Lavaka, Matterson, Moeroa, Pauli, Tanginoa, Newbigging, Pritchard, Lussick and Kamikamica. Plus Aloiai doesn't play for them every week.

Who has replaced that lot? French, Fuimaono and a couple of SG Ball players.

Not all of those blokes played in that semi final against the Warriors ...

I think everyone can except a reasonable fall in ability for the reasons you've mentioned but Fair dinkum we shouldn't be flogged every weekend by 30 or 40 plus.. That's disgraceful

 

[Forty20]

Okay just got home and settled.

I could go on for a long, long time about both the positives (yes there are a few) and the negatives of this season. My insight, although better than the average fans is also lacking as I only have a very, very narrow window into what happens 6 of the 7 other days in the week for our 20s so I am hesitant to point fingers with conviction.

With that said, the short of it from what I have seen is that we simply do not look like a team that trains together. Given the squad that Hales inherited, even with some major losses (and as Poups alluded to, they were big losses) I think we should at least be a mid table team.

Hales inherited a solid pack with a good amount of experience in Alex Twal, Josh Aloiai, Jeff Markus, Tepai Tepu-Smith, Paula Kaufusi, Jordan Muna and Brandon Raeli but despite the titanic efforts of Alex Twal we have not figured out how to stay in the contest when he is getting a breather. Rather Tepai Tepu-Smith has regressed massively when he should be the senior enforcer in the pack while Kaufusi has dropped out of the team entirely (Muna I think might be injured). Disrupted seasons to Markus and Aloiai haven't aided the cause but it simply isn't good enough.

For all the flack that Nathan Davis has copped this year, he can only do so much when the team's best plan seems to be to use him as a battering ram. Ditto for Fuimaono. Both these boys got through a mountain of work today in the second half, more than any forward barring maybe Twal. In the games that we have given either of them half way respectable service that have performed as expected, breaking tackles, gaining strong metres and in general being threats on the edge.

I rate French as highly as anyone on here but every other NYC team is awake to his danger and he gets jammed on super hard on nearly every sweep because the opposition has identified the risk he presents. Do we punish teams for it by mixing it up with an option ball to a second rower? Nope.

I also think that Hales is persisting with some poor selections. I am not going to knock the kids themselves because I don't think they are underperforming from a lack of effort but rather a lack of talent or limitations in their skillsets. His use of the bench can also be very puzzling.

At this point I am just rambling on and could keep going on for an age. I don't think the problem lies exclusively with anyone in particular and although I have vented a bit I don't know the full picture so maybe I am well off the mark with what I have said. I do however think the team is massively underperforming.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Outside back depth fine???? You can't be serious??? We don't have a first grade fullback and one first grade standard winger.

That has nothing to do with our depth. That is a matter of top 17 talent, not depth talent.

As for only one NRL standard winger, we have Radradra on one side and Hopoate (defence) and Morgan (attack) on the other. Plus we have the reigning NSW Cup player of the year whose NRL career has included 100 metres every week plus six tries in six games.

We are struggling in Wenty and getting murderered in the u20's. Maybe our RM cup depth is strong????

We are struggling in Wenty because our depth forwards have all either been injured themselves (Pritchard, Ualesi, Newbigging) or covering for injuries/suspensions in first grade (Fa'aoso, Moeroa, Pauli, Paulo, Terepo and now Alvaro). Quinlan and Toutai have also been mostly busted.

 

[hineyrulz]

That has nothing to do with our depth. That is a matter of top 17 talent, not depth talent.

As for only one NRL standard winger, we have Radradra on one side and Hopoate (defence) and Morgan (attack) on the other. Plus we have the reigning NSW Cup player of the year whose NRL career has included 100 metres every week plus six tries in six games.



We are struggling in Wenty because our depth forwards have all either been injured themselves (Pritchard, Ualesi, Newbigging) or covering for injuries/suspensions in first grade (Fa'aoso, Moeroa, Pauli, Paulo, Terepo and now Alvaro). Quinlan and Toutai have also been mostly busted.

Keep making excuses but the proof is in the pudding, talking up Farimo as a top option for next season :lol: Hoppa should not be playing Wing or defending on it. He is meant to be our star centre . He is only there because Morgan is unable to defend on the wing. And we seem happy to re-sign Morgan and leave our top line centre defending out of place. How about signing a decent young winger looking for a chance??? We'd probably pick one cheaper than what it would take to re-sign Morgs who after 4 seasons of first grade is unproven in the
Centres or on the wing.

 

[Parra47]

Outside back depth fine???? You can't be serious??? We don't have a first grade fullback and one first grade standard winger. We are struggling in Wenty and getting murderered in the u20's. Maybe our RM cup depth is strong????

Spot on. Our outside backs depth is terrible at NRL level. Our once solid NSW Cup team is a shadow of itself and our 20's finely had a good year in 2014 but have gone back to their pathetic usual form this year. Amazing what a good coach like Holbrook can do. We have a huge juniors area and are not short of a dollar yet year after year we struggle.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Keep making excuses but the proof is in the pudding, talking up Farimo as a top option for next season :lol: Hoppa should not be playing Wing or defending on it. He is meant to be our star centre .

He attacks best at centre but defends best on the wing. This is the best way to get the most out of him - he can use his passing game and still return kicks and defuse bombs. Plus Morgan gets to play to his strengths (tackling and support play).

He is only there because Morgan is unable to defend on the wing. And we seem happy to re-sign Morgan and leave our top line centre defending out of place. How about signing a decent young winger looking for a chance??? We'd probably pick one cheaper than what it would take to re-sign Morgs who after 4 seasons of first grade is unproven in the
Centres or on the wing.

We might re-sign neither of them and go with Faraimo. He hasn't let us down so far. Why would he start?

By the way, he has withdrawn from tonight's NSW Cup match, so he could be a chance of replacing Takairangi in Monday night's team. And you're a moron if you think that means Faraimo will play centre.