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Parramatta Eels sign Josh Papalii for 2014

Tony Bongo

Tony Bongo

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theicemandanno said:
How can a team operate to a salary cap given these supposed contractual conditions. How can Parra assemble a team for next year not knowing if they have Papalii or not....especially given his supposed 500K salary. Do we sit idle until round 13 and allow other players on the market to be resignded in the hope that we have our man.

Hypothetical:

Eels target Papalii and Fensom, determined to sign one of them.

We go for Papalii first, and he signs a contract for $500K.

In the meantime, Fensom signs a contract with the Bulldogs for 350K in round 10.

Round 12 comes, and we find out Papalii backs out and chooses to sign with the Raiders for $300K.

We have no recourse to use the money we had to spend on the other identified talent.

It is a stupid clause, and I would guarantee it isnt a 'Two way street' where clubs can back out of a deal up until round 13. Imagine Hayne signs for $700K round 1 with the Eels, and then in round 12 suffers a severe ankle break like Yow Yeh. Parra says stuff this, and decides to pul out of the deal.
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They don't even need to suffer an injury. What if they were to just play like crap for the first 13 weeks and show that there hearts not in it - that they were just waiting to cash in on a big paycheck. There have been a few contracts of late where it would be fair for us if we could rip them up within the first 13 weeks of them playing for us, let alone the first 13 weeks of the season we signed them.
 
Barry O'Speedwagon

Barry O'Speedwagon

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Yes, it is a stupid clause, but it is a clause that every club is aware of when the choose to sign a player from another club prior to round 13. It is expressly designed to make it easier to retain a player than to sign one from another club. Whether a club could pull out of the deal prior to round 13 would simply depend on the terms of the agreement they negotiate with the player. There is nothing to prevent a club trying to insert whatever reasonable clauses they like.....but the player (particularly if they are in high demand) doesn't have to accept them.
 
parra pete

parra pete

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Tony Bongo said:
That article is dated Dec 22 2012 so Stagger could still be right (i.e their management are as dumb as some of their fans) but somehow I doubt it.
Nice to read that he was their number one priority. I hope we get him along with one of their other priorities. Crocker would be my other pick.
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Do you mean Croker...????
 
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Spot On

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It looks as though they assumed he would be taking an amount much, much less than they will have to fork out now.

Canberra will definitely be paying an amount they never considered they would pay for him late last year and even early this year.

The question now is - if Canberra keep Papalii on an amount they never thought they'd have to outlay, who is it that will feel the squeeze this year when they negotiate their new deal?
 
strider

strider

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cv8z said:
Just heard a guy from the nrl on 2ue. Someone Brady talk about the round 13 registering contracts.
How I understood it.
Doesn't sound like Canberra even have to match our offer for him to do a backflip
Papalii can change his mind anytime before the dealine for no reason.
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yeah i thought so ...... i don't know how everyone on here thought up all the magical rules :lol:
 
Gary Gutful

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strider said:
yeah i thought so ...... i don't know how everyone on here thought up all the magical rules :lol:
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The post was very f**king impressive to read but alarm bells started to sound for me when the response to "Where did those rules come?" was "Ask the NRL".

Anyway, I have accepted that we are propapali not going to see Josh wearing the blue and gold.
 
Chipmunk

Chipmunk

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Spot On said:
It looks as though they assumed he would be taking an amount much, much less than they will have to fork out now.

Canberra will definitely be paying an amount they never considered they would pay for him late last year and even early this year.

The question now is - if Canberra keep Papalii on an amount they never thought they'd have to outlay, who is it that will feel the squeeze this year when they negotiate their new deal?
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If Campese stays fit Williams or McCrone would be my tip to someone they might move on
 
Haynzy

Haynzy

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Perhaps if a player backflips on a signed contract the receiving club should pay some compensation to the club who has been disadvantaged, or even, the NRL should give salary cap concessions to the disadvantaged clubs.

This would make clubs think long and hard about trying to get players to backflip.
 
Barry O'Speedwagon

Barry O'Speedwagon

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Haynzy said:
Perhaps if a player backflips on a signed contract the receiving club should pay some compensation to the club who has been disadvantaged, or even, the NRL should give salary cap concessions to the disadvantaged clubs.

This would make clubs think long and hard about trying to get players to backflip.
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Frankly all they need to do is to give the player's current club one week from the date that a contract with a new team is lodged with the NRL, in which to table a counter offer to the player, and for that counter offer to be accepted or rejected. This makes sure that the contract isn't signed 'on the sly', and would create a lot less uncertainty for all involved.
 
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oldmancraigy

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cv8z said:
Just heard a guy from the nrl on 2ue. Someone Brady talk about the round 13 registering contracts.
How I understood it.
Doesn't sound like Canberra even have to match our offer for him to do a backflip
Papalii can change his mind anytime before the dealine for no reason.
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Did "Someone" (John) Brady say that Canberra didn't have to match the offer?

Or did he say under the clause, that Papali could change his mind anytime before the deadline for no reason?

Unless he definitely said they don't have to match the cash, and came up with the reason why, then I'm sure they do have to!
 
strider

strider

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how do you believe that is definitely the case? is it properly documented somewhere? ... the only publicly available doco on NRL salary cap is vague stuff with little detail - it's not like big sports in the US who publish copious pages of documentation on every rule ..... hell i don't even know if there are exact rules or schubert just makes it up as he goes along!
 
cv8z

cv8z

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oldmancraigy said:
Did "Someone" (John) Brady say that Canberra didn't have to match the offer?
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No mention of Canberra matching the offer was made
Or did he say under the clause, that Papali could change his mind anytime before the deadline for no reason?
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Basically yes.
He said sometimes these decisions by players can be made in haste (or words to that effect)
Unless he definitely said they don't have to match the cash, and came up with the reason why, then I'm sure they do have to!
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There was no mention of money or matching offers by incumbent clubs but there was no question about it asked
Brandy commented it gave clubs time to talk the players out of it.
It was basically " a rule put in place to favour the incumbent "
And all clubs supported it
 
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