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Parramatta Eels sign Josh Papalii for 2014

hybrideel

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nah f*%k that, let them fork out what we were prepared to. If they are going to screw us over we can at least do everything we can to try and make sure they lose someone as well by paying him a lot more than they anticipated
 

Far Canal

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If he does reneg on the deal then so be it - it goes towards his character. He signed a contract and to back away just speaks volumes about his internal mental strength - I don't want pricks like that at parra.
 

Eelementary

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Papalii is a gun and I'd love to have him at the Eels. But I won't slit my wrists if we don't get him - Kelepi Tanginoa, Frazer Masinamua, Chad MacGill and Pauli Pauli will be just as good IMO. These four guys are huge prospects - I say we give Papalii a deadline to say he's staying or joining us. If he knocks us back, go all out to retain these young guys IMO.
 

I bleed blue & gold

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Papalii is a gun and I'd love to have him at the Eels. But I won't slit my wrists if we don't get him - Kelepi Tanginoa, Frazer Masinamua, Chad MacGill and Pauli Pauli will be just as good IMO. These four guys are huge prospects - I say we give Papalii a deadline to say he's staying or joining us. If he knocks us back, go all out to retain these young guys IMO.

I think 3/4 have been re-signed til the end of 2015. Will get big upgrades if they break through into FG in the meantime.
 

Noise

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Papalii is a gun and I'd love to have him at the Eels. But I won't slit my wrists if we don't get him - Kelepi Tanginoa, Frazer Masinamua, Chad MacGill and Pauli Pauli will be just as good IMO. These four guys are huge prospects - I say we give Papalii a deadline to say he's staying or joining us. If he knocks us back, go all out to retain these young guys IMO.

There is a deadline. It's June 13. Even if he does come out tomorrow and says yep im coming to Parra he still can change his mind up until round 13
 

Eelementary

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There is a deadline. It's June 13. Even if he does come out tomorrow and says yep im coming to Parra he still can change his mind up until round 13

I know that. But I'm saying our club should pressure him. Yes or no - right now? If he says no, focus on the kids.

And if 3 out of those 4 have been re-signed until 2015, then that is great news.
 

Noise

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I know that. But I'm saying our club should pressure him. Yes or no - right now? If he says no, focus on the kids.

And if 3 out of those 4 have been re-signed until 2015, then that is great news.

Lets say he we pressure him and he says 'yes i will play with Parra'. It will all look good in the media but we would still be in the exact same situation we are in now. He can still change his mine up until June 30
 

natheel

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Lets say he we pressure him and he says 'yes i will play with Parra'. It will all look good in the media but we would still be in the exact same situation we are in now. He can still change his mine up until June 30

At least raiders might back off a bit. So less pressure from them
 

oldmancraigy

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Lets say he we pressure him and he says 'yes i will play with Parra'. It will all look good in the media but we would still be in the exact same situation we are in now. He can still change his mine up until June 30

There are more limits on this than people are making out!!

Papali has actually signed a contract with Parramatta (or at least that is alleged).
IF that is true then it's a bit complicated, since he has made an agreement FIRST to the Eels.

From the NRL perspective, they won't register any new contracts until the deadline. However that does not mean that a player isn't contracted to a club.
EG: Brett Stewart, his contract isn't registered with the NRL yet, meaning he can't play NRL footy. However he's still under the employ of Manly, and we can't simply sign him up without him getting out of that contract first. If we tried, Manly could claim contractual rights and they'd have a case.

Contracts aren't centrally administered, but the registration process is.

So in the Papali case, he has signed for us. There is a rule which allows the incumbent club the 'right of last refusal' - so if they stump up the cash, he can play for them (should he change his mind). His contract with us is only valid to the extent that Canberra has been given last refusal (it's a clause in his contract, which not every player manager leaves in there apparently).
Re: the rule, Brady was clear that he can change his mind tomorrow and agree with Canberra, thus voiding our offer (via the clause).
We therefore do not have contractual rights until after round 13, and they have the right to try and persuade him until then.

If you ask the NRL nicely, and use hypothetical situations, you can extract this information for yourself.
 

oldmancraigy

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I know that. But I'm saying our club should pressure him. Yes or no - right now? If he says no, focus on the kids.

I think the thing we NEED to remember in all this is that we already pressured him, and he said YES.

Perhaps they're on the phone to him daily trying to make sure he sticks to his yes? But we're the frontrunners at the moment. Unfortunately Canberra have catchup mode on, and can use the turbo boost to get in front if they can find it....


As far as I'm aware, not one player has signed a contract, only to back out of it via this rule.
 

Craig Johnston

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There are more limits on this than people are making out!!

Papali has actually signed a contract with Parramatta (or at least that is alleged).
IF that is true then it's a bit complicated, since he has made an agreement FIRST to the Eels.

From the NRL perspective, they won't register any new contracts until the deadline. However that does not mean that a player isn't contracted to a club.
EG: Brett Stewart, his contract isn't registered with the NRL yet, meaning he can't play NRL footy. However he's still under the employ of Manly, and we can't simply sign him up without him getting out of that contract first. If we tried, Manly could claim contractual rights and they'd have a case.

Contracts aren't centrally administered, but the registration process is.

So in the Papali case, he has signed for us. There is a rule which allows the incumbent club the 'right of last refusal' - so if they stump up the cash, he can play for them (should he change his mind). His contract with us is only valid to the extent that Canberra has been given last refusal (it's a clause in his contract, which not every player manager leaves in there apparently).
Re: the rule, Brady was clear that he can change his mind tomorrow and agree with Canberra, thus voiding our offer (via the clause).
We therefore do not have contractual rights until after round 13, and they have the right to try and persuade him until then.

If you ask the NRL nicely, and use hypothetical situations, you can extract this information for yourself.

so what stops us from pulling the last contract, putting a new unconditional contract on the table with 2 weeks to sign take it or leave it?
 

Noise

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Didn't Nathan Smith sign a contract with Canberra and Luke Lewis likewise with Souths? Seems that it was relatively easy for them to break the contractual agreement before June 30.
 

Suitman

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Didn't Nathan Smith sign a contract with Canberra and Luke Lewis likewise with Souths? Seems that it was relatively easy for them to break the contractual agreement before June 30.

Didn't Tim Moltzen do the same?

Suity
 

strider

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I think the thing we NEED to remember in all this is that we already pressured him, and he said YES.

Perhaps they're on the phone to him daily trying to make sure he sticks to his yes? But we're the frontrunners at the moment. Unfortunately Canberra have catchup mode on, and can use the turbo boost to get in front if they can find it....


As far as I'm aware, not one player has signed a contract, only to back out of it via this rule.

Luke Lewis ... signed with Souths, but stayed with Penrith .... some other penrith dude too (nathan smith i think - the other one)
 

emjaycee

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Just so we are all on the same page with regard to the deadline.
Round 13 commences with Parra v Rooters on 7th June and completes at the conclusion of the Broncos v Raiders game on Monday 10th June.

June 30th is the old deadline date.
 

Craig Johnston

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Didn't Tim Moltzen do the same?

Suity

moltzen's situaiton was post antitampering deadline.

as i posted a couple of times earlier. the raiders did in fact seek legal councel and decided against suing smith "for the greater good of the game"

i say we use the lessons from the past and put an UNCONDITIONAL CONTRACT in front of papalii now so that if he does backflip he knows he will be seen in court later
 

Ratchy

Juniors
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If he does reneg on the deal then so be it - it goes towards his character. He signed a contract and to back away just speaks volumes about his internal mental strength - I don't want pricks like that at parra.

Already backflipped playing for the Kiwis in rep footy after Mal got into his ear about origin.
 

Eelementary

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I think the thing we NEED to remember in all this is that we already pressured him, and he said YES.

Perhaps they're on the phone to him daily trying to make sure he sticks to his yes? But we're the frontrunners at the moment. Unfortunately Canberra have catchup mode on, and can use the turbo boost to get in front if they can find it....


As far as I'm aware, not one player has signed a contract, only to back out of it via this rule.

I know they have until round 13 to convince him, but as far as I'm concerned, we should play hardball. Tell him to give a straight answer by a certain deadline. Pressure him. We need to move on if he will backflip, and we need to do it ASAP.

Nothing about this situation is consistent, anyway - reports say HE approached US and others say we pressured him. Nothing is coherent here...
 
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We need to put a deadline so we can move on with our recruitment either way.
The kid wants to stay in Canberra, he would of come out and said something by now if he wasted to leave. Lets just cancel the deal and move on.

Crocker from Canberra would be an awesome buy.
 

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