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Ratchy

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So you want a wild cannon who doesn't do what he is told as a "leader".

Well we'd need a new coach every 4-5 months if that was the case.

I suppose we've been heading in that direction, so you might get your wish.

But who is this wild cannon that you're thinking of who just won't do what the coach tells them?!?!?!?

huh...I don't think Hayne is a leaders asshole
 

oldmancraigy

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huh...I don't think Hayne is a leaders asshole

That wasn't the question.

Clearly YOU want a leader who doesn't do what they are told.
I'm thinking that's kind of stupid - but whatever, your call.

The question is: Who do you see as capable of filling this "leadership" role? ie, who at the club is the divisive take no orders type???
 

Craig Johnston

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hayne was not told to stay away from the game, he was told to have a rest after the origin campaign

kearney was simply following policies that he adopted at the storm in making that decision to allow hayne time off.

big news story for jarryd but not for smith slater cronk and co it seems
 

oldmancraigy

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hayne was not told to stay away from the game, he was told to have a rest after the origin campaign

This has all been done in another thread.

If you want to make a storm in teacup about nothing, go right ahead. But please remember it's just you, it's not reality.
 

Ratchy

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kearney was simply following policies that he adopted at the storm in making that decision to allow hayne time off.

big news story for jarryd but not for smith slater cronk and co it seems

On the same weekend they were sitting in the box behind Bellamy
 

Ratchy

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That wasn't the question.

Clearly YOU want a leader who doesn't do what they are told.
I'm thinking that's kind of stupid - but whatever, your call.

The question is: Who do you see as capable of filling this "leadership" role? ie, who at the club is the divisive take no orders type???

Absolutely talking out of your ass with that dribble posted. If you honestly think Hayne a senior player and the teams best player turning up to the game to show support his team and maybe help a rookie making his debut in the position he plays is being disobedient to the coach your quite clearly have a very loose grip on reality. The simple fact is Hayne should've been there and shouldn't need to be told that he has too.

Who is captain material???? No idea and their doesn't seem to be an outstanding candidate and the leadership within the group seems to be a major weakness and has been for sometime.
 
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Who is captain material???? No idea and their doesn't seem to be an outstanding candidate and the leadership within the group seems to be a major weakness and has been for sometime.

sticky has the whole offseason to see who is doing the hard yards at training and in the trials he can try out a few people and see who fits best
 

oldmancraigy

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Absolutely talking out of your ass with that dribble posted. If you honestly think Hayne a senior player and the teams best player turning up to the game to show support his team and maybe help a rookie making his debut in the position he plays is being disobedient to the coach your quite clearly have a very loose grip on reality. The simple fact is Hayne should've been there and shouldn't need to be told that he has too.

Who is captain material???? No idea and their doesn't seem to be an outstanding candidate and the leadership within the group seems to be a major weakness and has been for sometime.

But (according to your definition) when YOU talk about leadership you mean someone who ignores the coaches instructions.

So you think nobody in the current squad has the ability to ignore coaches instructions - and that this has been a major weakness for quite some time.
Fair enough, that's your opinion.

No need to get so angry about it - but if you plan on having an argument, you actually need to follow through with the logic that you're starting with (however stupid that logic might be)
 

oldmancraigy

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If you honestly think Hayne a senior player and the teams best player turning up to the game to show support his team and maybe help a rookie making his debut in the position he plays is being disobedient to the coach

So you think (despite what has been reported on the issue) that Hayne was NOT told to stay home?

I think the simple fact is that he WAS told not to come to the game, to have a week off to 'recover' from Origin.
You (and I) might think that a dumb decision by the coach, but unfortunately (for your argument) that actually IS reality.

I suppose you've never been in a position where you tell people what to do? As their boss you give them an instruction and expect them to comply since that is the professional thing? If you've ever asked someone not to come to a particular meeting, then had them turn up, it gets more than a little bit awkward....
 

Poupou Escobar

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But (according to your definition) when YOU talk about leadership you mean someone who ignores the coaches instructions.

Your argument implies Hayne was ordered to stay away from the Manly game.

Surely Kearney wasn't that bad a coach that he would tell a player not to turn up. He might have left it up to the player, but I can't imagine a former club and international captain would deny a player the right to come and watch his team mates if he chose to.

So Ratchy's argument is that if Hayne was given the option of not turning up, then he should have been there.
 

oldmancraigy

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Your argument implies Hayne was ordered to stay away from the Manly game.

Surely Kearney wasn't that bad a coach that he would tell a player not to turn up. He might have left it up to the player, but I can't imagine a former club and international captain would deny a player the right to come and watch his team mates if he chose to.

So Ratchy's argument is that if Hayne was given the option of not turning up, then he should have been there.

So Ratchy's argument assumes that Hayne was not told to stay home and have a rest (despite the strong suggestions that was the case).

He can't just base his whole argument on an unknown assumption when the evidence presented pointed more the other way. The opposite assumption undercuts his argument fairly severely.

Let's remember: he's NOT arguing so much about whether Hayne was told to stay home or not. He's saying Hayne isn't captaincy material, and the evidence that he bases this on is an unknown assumption that Hayne couldn't be bothered fronting up to a footy game when injured.

Funnily enough Hayne has OFTEN fronted up to games when injured. So the inference that the coach told him to stay home rings fairly true (based not only on the circumstantial evidence, but also on the history of the man). So Ratchy's argument now becomes that he values a player who disobeys the coach.

I'm simply asking him who that player is? (not that I'd want them as captain, just wondering where the logic of his argument takes him)
 

Ratchy

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