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Parramatta Leagues Club board sacked, administrator appointed

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If the actual Leagues Clubs of Parramatta and Penrith don't make a loss, then who gives a toss how much they're football team loses money each year... is the original purpose of those two entities not to raise funds to fund a football team.
Exactly. You'd think the NRL would be happy that people are putting money into the sport.
 

emjaycee

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The NRL issue 16 licences to effectively 16 franchisees which allows them to play in their competition. Although there are some franchisees that historically have been the various leagues clubs of the original ARL teams, there is no requirement that the NRL continue to offer the licences to existing licencees.

Storm, Titans, Souffs, Newcastle and Brisbane at least are not owned by a historical football/leagues club.

They need the holders of the licences to be profitable in order to keep the potential buy price of each licence up.
 

Chipmunk

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The NRL issue 16 licences to effectively 16 franchisees which allows them to play in their competition. Although there are some franchisees that historically have been the various leagues clubs of the original ARL teams, there is no requirement that the NRL continue to offer the licences to existing licencees.

Storm, Titans, Souffs, Newcastle and Brisbane at least are not owned by a historical football/leagues club.

They need the holders of the licences to be profitable in order to keep the potential buy price of each licence up.

But clubs who do have Leagues Club and get Leagues Club grants, cant exclude the grant of the Leagues Club as income. Why shouldnt the Leagues Club money be treated like any other sponsors money?

Even if we got $1billion from the Leagues Club each year, the article would still indicate that we lost money.

If we didn't have a Leagues what's to say we wouldn't go and find other sponsors?

Why do we need to if we have a Leagues Club?
 
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The NRL issue 16 licences to effectively 16 franchisees which allows them to play in their competition. Although there are some franchisees that historically have been the various leagues clubs of the original ARL teams, there is no requirement that the NRL continue to offer the licences to existing licencees.

Storm, Titans, Souffs, Newcastle and Brisbane at least are not owned by a historical football/leagues club.

They need the holders of the licences to be profitable in order to keep the potential buy price of each licence up.
That sounds strange to me. I thought there was some guarantee. I take your point though.
 

Happy MEel

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So the Head of Performance, in a year we were horribly off the pace performance wise, will keep his job. Great to see this review is being taken seriously.

The condition of our players, particularly at the start of the year, was unacceptable for a 1st grade NRL side.
 

emjaycee

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So the Head of Performance, in a year we were horribly off the pace performance wise, will keep his job. Great to see this review is being taken seriously.

The condition of our players, particularly at the start of the year, was unacceptable for a 1st grade NRL side.
Except the review indicated that the lack of a strength and conditioning coach was a problem and it has/is being fixed. Maybe the review has done one good thing already.
 

Joshuatheeel

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If the actual Leagues Clubs of Parramatta and Penrith don't make a loss, then who gives a toss how much they're football team loses money each year... is the original purpose of those two entities not to raise funds to fund a football team.

Yep, I don’t get all this crap that clubs lose money and their leagues bail them out. Wasn’t that the reason the clubs were started to support the rugby league side!’
 

Happy MEel

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Except the review indicated that the lack of a strength and conditioning coach was a problem and it has/is being fixed. Maybe the review has done one good thing already.
So where is the accountability for this season?

Surely it was AFL merkin’s responsibility to get the players in peak condition this year...he didn’t.

It was BA’s responsibility to build a roster and develop a game plan and tactics to be successful on the field...he didn’t.

It was the player’s responsibility to turn up and perform every game with the right attitude and put in every game...they didn’t.

If what you’re saying is true, It’s now looking like AFL merkin is staying, BA is staying and if the re-signings you suggested are happening, most of the playing roster will be here next year as well.

It seems all the review has done is suggest bringing more people in. Whilst some of these appointments may be necessary, what does that say to everyone employed at the club?

“Don’t worry if you fail, we’ll just get some more staff and everything will be sweet.”

Name me one other industry where that would be the case? Merkins would be losing their jobs if an organisation failed to the level the Parramatta Eels have in 2018 as there has to at least be a perception of accountability that if you don’t do your job, you won’t have a contract with the club.
 

Gronk

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So where is the accountability for this season?

Surely it was AFL merkin’s responsibility to get the players in peak condition this year...he didn’t.

It was BA’s responsibility to build a roster and develop a game plan and tactics to be successful on the field...he didn’t.

It was the player’s responsibility to turn up every game with the right attitude and put in every game...they didn’t.

If what you’re saying is true, It’s now looking like AFL merkin is staying, BA is staying and if the re-signings you suggested are happening, most of the playing roster will be here next year as well.

It seems all the review has done I’d suggest bringing more people in. Whilst some of these appointments may be necessary, what does that say to everyone employed at the club?

“Don’t worry if you fail, we’ll just get some more staff and everything will be sweet.”

Name me one other industry where that would be the case? Merkins would be losing their jobs if an organisation failed to the level the Parramatta Eels have in 2018 as there has to at least be a perception of accountability that if you don’t do your job, you won’t have a contract with the club.

So your internal review has concluded that AFL Guy should lose his job.

That may well be legitimate and I don’t doubt you. Keen to see your findings however.
 

Happy MEel

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So your internal review has concluded that AFL Guy should lose his job.

That may well be legitimate and I don’t doubt you. Keen to see your findings however.
AFL Merkin was Head of Performance. We didn’t perform.

There’s my internal review.

However, if you read the whole post you would know that I wasn’t just referring to AFL Merkin. It seems no one will be held to account for the 2018 season.

FFS, Penrith were a top 4 side when they punted their coach and Brisbane are doing well and for whatever reason, have already decided that Bennet won’t be extended. These are the kinds of clubs who hold their staff to account.

It seems that the NRL is a performance based industry...except when it comes to the Eels.
 

Gronk

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AFL Merkin was Head of Performance. We didn’t perform.

There’s my internal review.

However, if you read the whole post you would know that I wasn’t just referring to AFL Merkin. It seems no one will be held to account for the 2018 season.

FFS, Penrith were a top 4 side when they punted their coach and Brisbane are doing well and for whatever reason, have already decided that Bennet won’t be extended. These are the kinds of clubs who hold their staff to account.

Righto, it just seems that AFL Guy was the guy (along with BA) that has been thrown under the bus in these forums. Our form started to turn around after the first Cows game and many here attributed this to AFL stepping aside. My lay understanding of strength and conditioning is that if you have been poorly prepared, you can’t swing your strength and endurance base around that quickly. So there must be more to it.

My observations of the first dozen games was that we got found out by teams who “worked us out”. We failed to change what worked for us in late 2016 and in 2017. We were stunned mentally as a playing group and the coaching staff that what used to work now found us being dominated. We may have looked cooked on the field, but we were a team who were starved of possession due to a cluster f**k of unforced errors, stale tactics and shattered confidence. We looked cooked as a consequence of only having 30 or 40% possession and having to make sometimes twice the number of tackles.

For mine, if you wish to attribute blame to our failure this season you need to analyse the circumstances of each game and what could have been done better. Once isolated, these flaws can be attributed to individuals. IIRC we lost nearly 10 games by less than a few points and 8 games when we scored an equal number of tries.

In those games which we lost by a close margin, I thought that our biggest flaw was the failure to come away with points in the red zone. We would work hard to get down there and then run predictable block plays or just run sideways.

I don’t mind holding players and staff to account, but when going through this process it needs to be done with clear realistic eyes, making sure that you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. You don’t pay out a coach or move on a player unless you have something better lined up. The last thing I want are rookie halves and a new coach who needs to embark on yet another 5 year plan so he can build his squad.

IMHO if the club does not see a future with BA, then I think they need to move him on now. I say this on the basis that they have a better coach (not just a merkin with potential) lined up. We have a huge number of players coming off contract at end 2019 and the new guy should be able to be active in the market from November.
 

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