Peachy now gone???

[herbert henry1908]

Still gets more try assists than Whare ever has. If we had stuck with him at centre all year it would of helped Peachey a lot.

Honestly? Genuine question, NRL.com stats are down at the moment.

That year Simmons scored heaps of tries was largely because of Whare, set him up beautifully.

 

[mxlegend99]

How many injures have those halves had though? JT is starting to get some but the rest have limited injures. It is this grey area you don't seem to understand

Soward had back injuries most of his career. If he could go on why did he retire?
Wallace 3 ACL's numerous other injuries

Maloney games played:

2010 24 games
2011 27 games
2012 24 games
2013 23 games (Missed a few due to SOO)
2014 27 games
2015 27 games
2016 25 games (missed a few due to SOO)
2017 20 games (Missed a few with SOO)

Compare that to say younger halves in Reynolds, Hodkinson or Foran and he is durable which puts him closer to Cronk in durability

I noticed you ignored where I said what are the ave age for halves in the comp?

If Brodie Croft plays 7 for Storm he is 20 if not it is 25 yo Jacks
Cleary 20
Ash Taylor 21.
Luke Brooks and Kodi Nikorima 23

None of them will be in their peak anytime soon. So why would Hunt or Norman be different

Soward has had one semi serious injury hold him back in his career... and missing half a dozen games for it is hardly career ending.

2009 - 26 games
2010 - 26 games
2011 - 23 games
2012 - 20 games
2013 - 12 games (dragons did what Hook did. Sacked him mid season blaming him for poor coaching)
2014 - 25 games
2015 - 16 games (he had a back injury early in the season. Got his surgery and was over it by end of season)
2016 - 12 games (dropped mid season. Then released)

Exactly how is he any more injury prone than Maloney? He has a back injury that the club tried to manage instead of surgery and suddenly he's a write off because of his age? One injury that was fixed with surgery.

Peter Wallace has played in a position with a higher workload and his age hasnt hurt him. Playing while injured in 2017 did. But in 2016 he and Soward were both healthy and both younger than Maloney and alot of elite halves.

I would personally move on from Wallace now as Katoa is as good or better. Especially when Wallace decides to play through broken ribs and hands.

Blaming age and injuries is a f**king cop out. They could have led us to the top 4 under a coach who knows how to use halves.

Facts have no place in these inane rants he goes on with

You dont use facts. You make shit up. You the contradict yourself and keep trying to shift the goalposts.

Fact: Maloney is older than all our 2016 halves options were
Fact: Hook couldnt get the best out of Corey Norman
Fact: Hook couldnt get the best out of Ben Hunt (he played a grand final 12 months after Hook left)
Fact: Hook couldnt get the best out of Te Maire Martin (played a grand final 6 months later)
Fact: Hook thought Peter Wallace had nothing to offer the Broncos 5 years ago... now he's the f**king captain at 2 years older than when you said he was too old for being a half. Playing a more physically demamding position.
Fact: Hook hasn't made the top 4 without Lockyer

Youre grasping at straws to come up with reasons halves dont play their best footy under Hook. But the answer is simple. Halves look shit when there's no game plan or structure. Old. Young. In their prime. None are at their best under Hook.

Sowards only issue in 2016 was his shocking defence. We can expect more of the same from Maloney. Unless Gus is getting alot more involved theres really no reason to think Maloney will be any more successful under Hook than the other dozen or so halves who were simply solid at best.

 

[OldPanther]

Honestly? Genuine question, NRL.com stats are down at the moment.

That year Simmons scored heaps of tries was largely because of Whare, set him up beautifully.

try assists since 2014:

Whare: 15 (7 in 2014 6 2015)

Peachey: 17 (8 in 2016)

 

[hindy111]

Jamie Soward on this day in 2016 was 31 and 94 days
James Maloney today is 31 and 242 days.

Peter Wallace was younger than both.

Lets see.
Cronk is 34
Thurston is 35 shortly
Maloney is 32 shortly
Pearce is 29 shortly

But yeah Wallace and Soward were too old. Had nothing to do with Hook being shit and not knowing how to get the best out of halves.

I guess TMM, Norman, Hunt etc. Were just too young. Hook is completely innocent in every half being average at best under him.

Injuries shorten players careers and some guys just bodies dont cope as well. Soward was busted. His body couldnt cope anymore. Maloney still has speed to burn. His average form last year had a lot to do with his forwards and the loss of Barba. Plus hard to reach the highs after winning a gf.
And they still finished 5th. Where almost dudded imo to lose against the cowboys otherwise it may of been them playing the storm in decider.

 

[mxlegend99]

You said he inherited a top 4 roster. Top be a top 4 roster you need halves capable of beating top 4 team. Soward/Wallace weren't those halves

I had already replied to this post, but I just went through to look for the last win against a team that finished in the top 4. I thought it would have been when we beat Broncos in 2016 (Soward/TMM halves), but they didn't finish top 4. Our last win over a Top 4 team was:

Round 9, 2016. Our halves were Peter Wallace and Jamie Soward. That was the game with the Peter Wallace field goal where Raiders fans cried about the wall McKendry and someone else had built.

Other than that game, we have not beaten a top 4 side under Anthony Griffin. Our side was actually in the top 8 at the time and the lowest it dropped was to 10th after Storm smashed us. Soward gets dropped for that in favor of partnering Nathan Cleary with Bryce Cartwright.

Our side was in 6th at one point with Soward in the halves. The same position they finished in at the end of season. I am certain we would have been better had we stuck with Soward ahead of Carty at 6.

 

[mxlegend99]

Injuries shorten players careers and some guys just bodies dont cope as well. Soward was busted. His body couldnt cope anymore. Maloney still has speed to burn. His average form last year had a lot to do with his forwards and the loss of Barba. Plus hard to reach the highs after winning a gf.
And they still finished 5th. Where almost dudded imo to lose against the cowboys otherwise it may of been them playing the storm in decider.

He missed 8 games in all of 2015. He played every game in 2016. His body was not busted.

We beat a top 4 team with him in 2016 and we were as high as 6th on the ladder with him in 2016. Our lowest point with him was 10th.

That was our highest and lowest points without him also. Soward/Cleary was given one game together and then dropped for a temporary halves pairing and Carty and Cleary. That was he start of Cartys career as a forward being destroyed.

 

[OldPanther]

I had already replied to this post, but I just went through to look for the last win against a team that finished in the top 4. I thought it would have been when we beat Broncos in 2016 (Soward/TMM halves), but they didn't finish top 4. Our last win over a Top 4 team was:

Round 9, 2016. Our halves were Peter Wallace and Jamie Soward. That was the game with the Peter Wallace field goal where Raiders fans cried about the wall McKendry and someone else had built.

Other than that game, we have not beaten a top 4 side under Anthony Griffin. Our side was actually in the top 8 at the time and the lowest it dropped was to 10th after Storm smashed us. Soward gets dropped for that in favor of partnering Nathan Cleary with Bryce Cartwright.

Our side was in 6th at one point with Soward in the halves. The same position they finished in at the end of season. I am certain we would have been better had we stuck with Soward ahead of Carty at 6.

I think this is case closed. No emmotion or agenda driven. The facts kind of speak volumes.

 

[martielang]

No, MX certainly wouldn't have an agenda....

 

[OldPanther]

No, MX certainly wouldn't have an agenda....

Whether he does or not that post is backed up with facts to support his opinion. Whether you agree with his side of the discussion or not it is a good post that adds to the discussion well.

 

[mxlegend99]

1 win over a top 4 team in 2 seasons is pretty shit. But I think a great opportunity was missed in not letting Soward and Cleary finish that season together.

The worst part is how we just rrlease a player 2 minutes after deciding to try something else. We don't even leave ourselves the option to fall back on them.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

No, MX certainly wouldn't have an agenda....

Quality input, champ.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Peachy ?

Will he stay or is he gone ?

 

[OldPanther]

Peachy ?

Will he stay or is he gone ?

Well Gus said himself we can't match the Titans offer.

 

[mxlegend99]

Peachy ?

Will he stay or is he gone ?

Titans offering more money. Safe bet is he's gone unless he takes too long to decide and they spend the money elsewhere.

Maybe hes waiting to see if he can get a starting centre spot here first.

 

[Pomoz]

Soward has had one semi serious injury hold him back in his career... and missing half a dozen games for it is hardly career ending.

Peter Wallace has played in a position with a higher workload and his age hasnt hurt him. Playing while injured in 2017 did. But in 2016 he and Soward were both healthy and both younger than Maloney and alot of elite halves.

Blaming age and injuries is a f**king cop out. They could have led us to the top 4 under a coach who knows how to use halves.

Sowards only issue in 2016 was his shocking defence. We can expect more of the same from Maloney. Unless Gus is getting a lot more involved theres really no reason to think Maloney will be any more successful under Hook than the other dozen or so halves who were simply solid at best.

Mx thanks for the reply, but age isn't really the issue. It's the impact it has on somebody's ability to play at a high level. This varies from player to player. It seems logical that since Soward retired shortly after, he felt his ability had diminished with age, otherwise why retire? If Soward was worth picking he would have been signed in the NRL or at least shot the lights out in the UK, neither of those things occurred so I think its fair to say he just wasn't playing well enough.

Some players can play well into their thirties. Adam Docker's career was finished at 25. Even Soward's mum would have struggled to say he was playing well in 2016. He looked slow, old and ready to retire, which was what happened shortly thereafter. Cue Hook stage left trying to work out his options at half.

 

[mxlegend99]

Mx thanks for the reply, but age isn't really the issue. It's the impact it has on somebody's ability to play at a high level. This varies from player to player. It seems logical that since Soward retired shortly after, he felt his ability had diminished with age, otherwise why retire? If Soward was worth picking he would have been signed in the NRL or at least shot the lights out in the UK, neither of those things occurred so I think its fair to say he just wasn't playing well enough.

Some players can play well into their thirties. Adam Docker's career was finished at 25. Even Soward's mum would have struggled to say he was playing well in 2016. He looked slow, old and ready to retire, which was what happened shortly thereafter. Cue Hook stage left trying to work out his options at half.

Why would he want to start over again at a third NRL club at 31 years of age? He had been blamed and sacked at Dragons. Then again at Panthers.

Teams dont build around 31 year olds. They want either instant results (Roosters and Cronk, Panthers and Maloney) or a cheap depth player (Benji and Broncos/Tigers).

Soward would have been in the second group. He asked for a release from us because he was unhappy being a reserve grader. He had a huge ego.. which is why people hated him when he didnt play for them. That and his punchable face.

 

[hindy111]

Why would he want to start over again at a third NRL club at 31 years of age? He had been blamed and sacked at Dragons. Then again at Panthers.

Teams dont build around 31 year olds. They want either instant results (Roosters and Cronk, Panthers and Maloney) or a cheap depth player (Benji and Broncos/Tigers).

Soward would have been in the second group. He asked for a release from us because he was unhappy being a reserve grader. He had a huge ego.. which is why people hated him when he didnt play for them. That and his punchable face.

If fit and wanted to play at 31 a few clubs would of been interested. He was finished.
Goes down as An average NRL player with a few good seasons sprinkled in. Soward was never Elite and in 5yrs will be forgotten in the footy world.

 

[mxlegend99]

If fit and wanted to play at 31 a few clubs would of been interested. He was finished.
Goes down as An average NRL player with a few good seasons sprinkled in. Soward was never Elite and in 5yrs will be forgotten in the footy world.

215 NRL games for a 53% win rate.

Premiership winner
Minor Premiers twice at Dragons
Top 4 with Panthers.

53 career tries
516 goals
26 field goals

Thats a hell of a lot better career than the average half ever has. Thats also why he wasnt willing to be a reserve grade player again. His ego was too big to cope with it a third time around.

He said himself when released he didn't want that. Nothing to do with his body. Well except his heart which he wore on his sleeve.

 

[betcats]

Honestly? Genuine question, NRL.com stats are down at the moment.

That year Simmons scored heaps of tries was largely because of Whare, set him up beautifully.

Yep Peachey got more try assists on 2016, his first year at centre than Whare got for us in his last full year before the injuries.

Peachey can hold the ball and definitely has some work to do as a centre but he has always been a far more dynamic attacking threat than Whare and as of last season he is at the worst and equal defender as Whare, he’s simply a much better option than Whare, the metres and line breaks he is constantly making are invaluable.

 

[hindy111]

215 NRL games for a 53% win rate.

Premiership winner
Minor Premiers twice at Dragons
Top 4 with Panthers.

53 career tries
516 goals
26 field goals

Thats a hell of a lot better career than the average half ever has. Thats also why he wasnt willing to be a reserve grade player again. His ego was too big to cope with it a third time around.

He said himself when released he didn't want that. Nothing to do with his body. Well except his heart which he wore on his sleeve.

Never one of the top 8 halves running around at any time. Yes he was an improvement on Luke Walsh who was bottom of the barrel half.