Peachy now gone???

[kinghippo]

Peachey was always going to be a square into a triangle hole type player.

Like Austin and Wade Graham before him, he is a victim of his versatility. He can play centre, he's effective but long term it isn't his position. He can start in the forwards but he's less effective given his style of play. He's a utility bench player at best and our bench is stocked with talent.

We've had some success with him and he's been great for us, sad to see him go but unless he gets picked in one position and persisted with then he will always be shuffled about.

I'd rather have two specialist centres then a make-shift one personally.

Peachy was well on his way to becoming a specialist centre until he was moved. His attack was excellent ( if he got the ball early) and his defence was improving every week.
As you say if he had been left in one position he probably wouldn’t be leaving us.
The shuffling is what has hurt this team more than most things over the last few seasons.

At times it has felt like Griffin was trying to give everyone a run, even if it meant squeezing them into a new role.
There are Plenty of examples apart from peachy, I hesitate to mention Cartwrights name due to it being a currently flammable topic of conversation, but he is a prime example. Hiku and Hardaker on the bench, are others. I think he has been influenced heavily by some of the contracts players have been on.
He had to have hiku somewhere due to $$$, I also think the reported bargin of whares 5 years has influenced his selection.
I know $$$ are important but a coach should not be considering those things if it has been the case.

 

[kinghippo]

Peachy was well on his way to becoming a specialist centre until he was moved. His attack was excellent ( if he got the ball early) and his defence was improving every week.
As you say if he had been left in one position he probably wouldn’t be leaving us.
The shuffling is what has hurt this team more than most things over the last few seasons.

At times it has felt like Griffin was trying to give everyone a run, even if it meant squeezing them into a new role.
There are Plenty of examples apart from peachy, I hesitate to mention Cartwrights name due to it being a currently flammable topic of conversation, but he is a prime example. Hiku and Hardaker on the bench, are others. I think he has been influenced heavily by some of the contracts players have been on.
He had to have hiku somewhere due to $$$, I also think the reported bargin of whares 5 years has influenced his selection.
I know $$$ are important but a coach should not be considering those things if it has been the case.

Just to expand on what I was saying about contracts possibly influencing team selection, I think Gus may have plenty to answer to in that regard, not just our coaches. If he is using his influence to make the coaches decisions for him he is weakening the club as a whole.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I think Peachy will go unless he thinks he'll get some extra success here and rep footy. Gus already said we can't match the Titans offer unfortunately.

As for Griffin I don't like him but he is better than Kearney or Ricky "destroyer of clubs" Stuart.

I totally agree about both points raised, Griffin: 'He's not the messiah, but he's also not a naughty boy' either. Peach will stay if he thinks Panthers are heading for a 'boom time' Players like sucess even more than money.

 

[franklin2323]

Up until 2013 we were rebuilding our team and the roster was not top 8 material. 2014 to present is the roster after its rebuild. Although it has largely changed since then. We have had NRL quality players across the board with great depth.

Ivan took us to top 4 and week 3 of finals with largely the same roster we had in 2016. Only less experienced and earlier in its development.

2015 was a write off due to injuries to irreplaceable players. We started off 2015 with 2 great wins. Soward gets injured. Then Idris. Moylan. Whare. Mansour. etc and we never had close to a stable roster. But the upside to those injuries was strengthening the quslity of our depth... Hook was the guy who benefitted from that though

Hook inherited a top 4 quality roster with a shitload of experienced depth. He came in after Goulds 5 year plan was pretty much done. This roster cant match top 4 teams under him and barely scrapes into the finals. The window for a premiership is getting smaller the more talent we lose. 2018 needs to be our year. I cant see our roster getting stronger anytime soon.

Where are Idris, Soward, Kite etc playing now? We had issues in the halves for years. Top 4 teams have spines with track record of beating good teams

I must of missed where we had Anyone in SOO.

It is why I say we were treading water under Cleary. The fact when Moylan played 6 in Origin he said he hadn't played there for 6 years is concerning.

He was better than Will Smith and Isaac John he should of Atleast had a trial game at 6

 

[franklin2323]

Just to expand on what I was saying about contracts possibly influencing team selection, I think Gus may have plenty to answer to in that regard, not just our coaches. If he is using his influence to make the coaches decisions for him he is weakening the club as a whole.

I think he is signing players without consulting other's so makes sense

 

[franklin2323]

Peachey was always going to be a square into a triangle hole type player.

Like Austin and Wade Graham before him, he is a victim of his versatility. He can play centre, he's effective but long term it isn't his position. He can start in the forwards but he's less effective given his style of play. He's a utility bench player at best and our bench is stocked with talent.

We've had some success with him and he's been great for us, sad to see him go but unless he gets picked in one position and persisted with then he will always be shuffled about.

I'd rather have two specialist centres then a make-shift one personally.

Agreed on that all. Peachey needs to play somewhere

 

[franklin2323]

Peachy was well on his way to becoming a specialist centre until he was moved. His attack was excellent ( if he got the ball early) and his defence was improving every week.
As you say if he had been left in one position he probably wouldn’t be leaving us.
The shuffling is what has hurt this team more than most things over the last few seasons.

At times it has felt like Griffin was trying to give everyone a run, even if it meant squeezing them into a new role.
There are Plenty of examples apart from peachy, I hesitate to mention Cartwrights name due to it being a currently flammable topic of conversation, but he is a prime example. Hiku and Hardaker on the bench, are others. I think he has been influenced heavily by some of the contracts players have been on.
He had to have hiku somewhere due to $$$, I also think the reported bargin of whares 5 years has influenced his selection.
I know $$$ are important but a coach should not be considering those things if it has been the case.

Peachey was coming along but at 27. How long do you wait for it too come?

Most teams carry a back on the bench with the HIA rules. I guess with Hiku's size the aim was to make him a supersub.

If you look at the lower grades though most players rarely stay in the one spot. May, CHN, Yeo, Katoa especially have played many spots.

Why should they be locked in to only 1 position? Especially with only 4 on the bench you can't have a spare in every position

 

[mxlegend99]

Where are Idris, Soward, Kite etc playing now? We had issues in the halves for years. Top 4 teams have spines with track record of beating good teams

I must of missed where we had Anyone in SOO.

It is why I say we were treading water under Cleary. The fact when Moylan played 6 in Origin he said he hadn't played there for 6 years is concerning.

He was better than Will Smith and Isaac John he should of Atleast had a trial game at 6

Our spine beat the minor premiers week 1 of finals in 2014. That same spine was there for Hook in 2016.

Hook had a proven and settled spine but still opted to f**k around with it for 2+ years. Our 2016 roster was stronger and more experienced that our 2014 roster. Hook destroyed that and turned top 4 side into a fringe top 8 side.

 

[franklin2323]

Our spine beat the minor premiers week 1 of finals in 2014. That same spine was there for Hook in 2016.

Hook had a proven and settled spine but still opted to f**k around with it for 2+ years. Our 2016 roster was stronger and more experienced that our 2014 roster. Hook destroyed that and turned top 4 side into a fringe top 8 side.

No way does a Wallace/Soward halves get us top 4 in 2016

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

No way does a Wallace/Soward halves get us top 4 in 2016

Again I agree. Hook and Gould revived Wal's career by putting him at hooker. His service is smart and direct and also has a good kicking game. James Seg has done basically nothing of note since 2014, he (I believe has been waylaid by the bright lights of the city (so to speak).

I Think Peach is best served as a super sub off the bench. His positional play is not good enough at centre, and is a little short to be a top elite centre.

I love him to stay, but I think he'll leave for the $ and the GC

 

[franklin2323]

Again I agree. Hook and Gould revived Wal's career by putting him at hooker. His service is smart and direct and also has a good kicking game. James Seg has done basically nothing of note since 2014, he (I believe has been waylaid by the bright lights of the city (so to speak).

I Think Peach is best served as a super sub off the bench. His positional play is not good enough at centre, and is a little short to be a top elite centre.

I love him to stay, but I think he'll leave for the $ and the GC

The fact Seg got a warning for hanging around with Bikies could explain why he had to go to UK despite being better than most hookers.

The irony is those saying the coach shouldn't move players around... Actually think Peachey a backrower should be left at centre.

He will be a bench utility for NSW. That is where he is best if he wants to go. Good luck to him I think he is gone

 

[mxlegend99]

No way does a Wallace/Soward halves get us top 4 in 2016

No way does any halves combination get us there under Hook. He has one top 4 finish and that was all on Darren Lockyer. Not even James Maloney at his best is in his league. Everyone thinks we should be stoked about scraping into the finals.

But we had a roster capable of so much more than that. Hook didnt do anything miraculous by getting a top 4 capable roster to scrape into the finals on the back of smashing shit teams. Theres a dozen coaches who could have done the same.

Until we can beat top 4 teams we are just making up the numbers. That's unacceptable when youve put together a roster capable of more.

 

[franklin2323]

No way does any halves combination get us there under Hook. He has one top 4 finish and that was all on Darren Lockyer. Not even James Maloney at his best is in his league. Everyone thinks we should be stoked about scraping into the finals.

But we had a roster capable of so much more than that. Hook didnt do anything miraculous by getting a top 4 capable roster to scrape into the finals on the back of smashing shit teams. Theres a dozen coaches who could have done the same.

Until we can beat top 4 teams we are just making up the numbers. That's unacceptable when youve put together a roster capable of more.

You said he inherited a top 4 roster. Top be a top 4 roster you need halves capable of beating top 4 team. Soward/Wallace weren't those halves

 

[mxlegend99]

You said he inherited a top 4 roster. Top be a top 4 roster you need halves capable of beating top 4 team. Soward/Wallace weren't those halves

And yet both halves had been part of top 4 finishes at this club and previous clubs. Wallace was Lockyers halves partner in the only team to ever finish top 4 under Hook.

Lockyer is the only half good enough to lead a Hook coached team to the top 4. That doesnt make him the only half capable of leading his team there though. Under a decent coach Soward could have easily partnered TMM, Cleary or Moylan and done it.

You think they werent good enough. Yet neither were Corey Norman or Ben Hunt under Hook. Halves are better before and after being coached by him. No half has played their best footy for him. Plenty of good halves looked shit when he coached them and you lay the blame on the player when the common denominator was the coach.

If Craig Bellamy was coach we finish top 4 the past 2 seasons comfortably. Bennett would have us top 4 also. I think Brad Arthur would too. We had the wrong coach. Not the wrong roster.

 

[kinghippo]

The fact Seg got a warning for hanging around with Bikies could explain why he had to go to UK despite being better than most hookers.

The irony is those saying the coach shouldn't move players around... Actually think Peachey a backrower should be left at centre.

He will be a bench utility for NSW. That is where he is best if he wants to go. Good luck to him I think he is gone

Peachy was doing a good job at centre UNTIL he was moved back to the bench.
There is no doubt he makes a good utility, that’s not in question.
The decision to move him was what I have a problem with, he was doing well in a position and to me he had claimed it. He probably shouldn’t have been put there in the first place, but he was.
Whare was not kicking down the door with red hot form.
The day we moved peachy back to the bench was the day he was looking to get gone.

I think currently he is a better player than whare, not everyone does, at 27 he should have been in his prime for at least the next 3.

It’s irrelevant now because he wasn’t given the opportunity to reach his potential, which is the problem with shuffling players.
I also think whare is a good player, but I don’t think his form had earned him a place in the team.
In saying that since peachy is leaving I am hoping he doesn’t start at centre, despite injuries.
If whare is our man for the next 5 years put him in his position and keep him there. There is no point playing people out of position to cover holes, it never works.
We have a winger out for the start of the season, the next best winger should be getting a run.

 

[OldPanther]

Peachy was doing a good job at centre UNTIL he was moved back to the bench.
There is no doubt he makes a good utility, that’s not in question.
The decision to move him was what I have a problem with, he was doing well in a position and to me he had claimed it. He probably shouldn’t have been put there in the first place, but he was.
Whare was not kicking down the door with red hot form.
The day we moved peachy back to the bench was the day he was looking to get gone.

I think currently he is a better player than whare, not everyone does, at 27 he should have been in his prime for at least the next 3.

It’s irrelevant now because he wasn’t given the opportunity to reach his potential, which is the problem with shuffling players.
I also think whare is a good player, but I don’t think his form had earned him a place in the team.
In saying that since peachy is leaving I am hoping he doesn’t start at centre, despite injuries.
If whare is our man for the next 5 years put him in his position and keep him there. There is no point playing people out of position to cover holes, it never works.
We have a winger out for the start of the season, the next best winger should be getting a run.

I couldn't agree with this more. Peachy made that spot his and also the less disruption the better. Wing is the best apot for a young bloke to come into as well.

 

[franklin2323]

Peachy was doing a good job at centre UNTIL he was moved back to the bench.
There is no doubt he makes a good utility, that’s not in question.
The decision to move him was what I have a problem with, he was doing well in a position and to me he had claimed it. He probably shouldn’t have been put there in the first place, but he was.
Whare was not kicking down the door with red hot form.
The day we moved peachy back to the bench was the day he was looking to get gone.

I think currently he is a better player than whare, not everyone does, at 27 he should have been in his prime for at least the next 3.

It’s irrelevant now because he wasn’t given the opportunity to reach his potential, which is the problem with shuffling players.
I also think whare is a good player, but I don’t think his form had earned him a place in the team.
In saying that since peachy is leaving I am hoping he doesn’t start at centre, despite injuries.
If whare is our man for the next 5 years put him in his position and keep him there. There is no point playing people out of position to cover holes, it never works.
We have a winger out for the start of the season, the next best winger should be getting a run.

If players didn't get shuffled he never would of played centre. Surely you see the irony in your post?

 

[franklin2323]

And yet both halves had been part of top 4 finishes at this club and previous clubs. Wallace was Lockyers halves partner in the only team to ever finish top 4 under Hook.

Lockyer is the only half good enough to lead a Hook coached team to the top 4. That doesnt make him the only half capable of leading his team there though. Under a decent coach Soward could have easily partnered TMM, Cleary or Moylan and done it.

You think they werent good enough. Yet neither were Corey Norman or Ben Hunt under Hook. Halves are better before and after being coached by him. No half has played their best footy for him. Plenty of good halves looked shit when he coached them and you lay the blame on the player when the common denominator was the coach.

If Craig Bellamy was coach we finish top 4 the past 2 seasons comfortably. Bennett would have us top 4 also. I think Brad Arthur would too. We had the wrong coach. Not the wrong roster.

Really so what coach signed Soward from us then? If he is as good as you say then surely he would be in the NRL still

Look at the starting halves for this year and the ages. You will see why they weren't good enough... At the time. A point you seem to simple to understand

 

[franklin2323]

I couldn't agree with this more. Peachy made that spot his and also the less disruption the better. Wing is the best apot for a young bloke to come into as well.

So if that is the case. You'd be happy for Blake to miss out? Afterall Peachey and Whare are the incumbent centres

 

[Pomoz]

And yet both halves had been part of top 4 finishes at this club and previous clubs. Wallace was Lockyers halves partner in the only team to ever finish top 4 under Hook.

Lockyer is the only half good enough to lead a Hook coached team to the top 4. That doesnt make him the only half capable of leading his team there though. Under a decent coach Soward could have easily partnered TMM, Cleary or Moylan and done it.

You think they werent good enough. Yet neither were Corey Norman or Ben Hunt under Hook. Halves are better before and after being coached by him. No half has played their best footy for him. Plenty of good halves looked shit when he coached them and you lay the blame on the player when the common denominator was the coach.

If Craig Bellamy was coach we finish top 4 the past 2 seasons comfortably. Bennett would have us top 4 also. I think Brad Arthur would too. We had the wrong coach. Not the wrong roster.

MX you need to think this through a bit more. Soward and Wallace were old and proof that Soward's body couldn't handle it can be seen by how he left the club went to super league and didn't play very well there. If he was a spine player capable of taking a club to top four, as you suggest, then surely he would of:
a been signed by an NRL club; or
b )been a stand out in the UK.

Neither of these things happened because he was past it. His body couldn't handle it any more. So your hypothesis of a club with a "top four roster" just doesn't hold water. To prolong Wallace's career he was moved to hooker, do you think that was the wrong call? Griffin had an inexperienced fullback/5/8th/halfback because those he inherited were past it. Even Moylan was hardly a 100 game veteran. In fact Moylan didn't become a 50 game player until the end of 2015. So Hook had two old clapped out halves and a fullback who had exactly 50 games at fullback under his belt. His experienced hooker was injured and played 1 game in 2016.

Just step back a minute and think about what clubs are winning premierships and finishing top four. It is not one with rookie halves, 50 game fullbacks and player new at the hooker position. Incidentally, if the team was full of rep players or superstars, then maybe they had a chance, but the club didn't have any superstars besides Merrin.

Come on, look at the facts, your statement just doesn't add up.