Peachy now gone???

[OldPanther]

Yep Peachey got more try assists on 2016, his first year at centre than Whare got for us in his last full year before the injuries.

Peachey can hold the ball and definitely has some work to do as a centre but he has always been a far more dynamic attacking threat than Whare and as of last season he is at the worst and equal defender as Whare, he’s simply a much better option than Whare, the metres and line breaks he is constantly making are invaluable.

I posted the numbers since 2014. Peachy has more by two and more in a single season were as Whare seems more consistent over time. If Whare doesn't miss so many games it stands to reason that he'd be ahead of Peachy easily even if they both played centre. Peachy had 1 good year with 8 but the rest were around 4. Of course you have to take into consideration the fact Peach was shuffled around in 2017 which could have negatively impacted the stat.

 

[mxlegend99]

Never one of the top 8 halves running around at any time. Yes he was an improvement on Luke Walsh who was bottom of the barrel half.

Thats pretty funny considering this:

Jamie Soward - 215 games / 53% win rate
Mitchell Pearce - 238 games / 52.5% win rate
Corey Norman - 147 games / 48.3% win rate
Mitchell Moses - 83 games / 40.9% win rate

His stats put him ahead of the supposed best half in NSW for the past decade and ahead of both Eels halves.

Most of the better halves are in the 50 to 60 percent category. Maloneys at 60%. Thurston, DCE, Foran etc. All in the 50s like Soward.

You then have a freakish 70% for Cronk. But yeah winning a premiership, a couple minor premierships and going to week 3 of finals is how the average half finishes up his career.

 

[Pomoz]

Why would he want to start over again at a third NRL club at 31 years of age? He had been blamed and sacked at Dragons. Then again at Panthers.

Teams dont build around 31 year olds. They want either instant results (Roosters and Cronk, Panthers and Maloney) or a cheap depth player (Benji and Broncos/Tigers).

Soward would have been in the second group. He asked for a release from us because he was unhappy being a reserve grader. He had a huge ego.. which is why people hated him when he didnt play for them. That and his punchable face.

Cronk and Maloney have just been signed at over age 30. Trent Hodginson is 30 in August and just signed by Manly. Blake Green is 32. You are doing your twisting thing again. Turning Soward into Alfie Langer and Wally Lewis combined and overlooking that plenty of players got resigned but not Jamie. Nobody wants to give him a go because...why exactly? You don't think if Jamie had an offer he wouldn't want the money?

Sorry MX, he couldn't cut it in Super League let alone the NRL.

 

[betcats]

I posted the numbers since 2014. Peachy has more by two and more in a single season were as Whare seems more consistent over time. If Whare doesn't miss so many games it stands to reason that he'd be ahead of Peachy easily even if they both played centre. Peachy had 1 good year with 8 but the rest were around 4. Of course you have to take into consideration the fact Peach was shuffled around in 2017 which could have negatively impacted the stat.

I compared Whares last full season before the injuries to Peachy in 2016 where he played mostly centre.

 

[franklin2323]

Cronk and Maloney have just been signed at over age 30. Trent Hodginson is 30 in August and just signed by Manly. Blake Green is 32. You are doing your twisting thing again. Turning Soward into Alfie Langer and Wally Lewis combined and overlooking that plenty of players got resigned but not Jamie. Nobody wants to gibe him a go because...why exactly? You don't think if Jamie had an offer he wouldn't want the money?

Sorry MX, he couldn't cut it in Super League let alone the NRL.

As bad as Soward was playing he is still better than most of the halves over there. There would of been offers somewhere if he wanted to play

 

[mxlegend99]

Cronk and Maloney have just been signed at over age 30. Trent Hodginson is 30 in August and just signed by Manly. Blake Green is 32. You are doing your twisting thing again. Turning Soward into Alfie Langer and Wally Lewis combined and overlooking that plenty of players got resigned but not Jamie. Nobody wants to gibe him a go because...why exactly? You don't think if Jamie had an offer he wouldn't want the money?

Sorry MX, he couldn't cut it in Super League let alone the NRL.

Cronk and Maloney are signed for theoretical instant success.
Hodkinson is signed for depth and Green out of desperation.

Soward could easily get a gig like those wguys. He had the gig here and decided he didnt want to be that.

He asked for a release from good money as he didnt want to be that. So no. He wouldnt accept that sort of offer like Benji and Hokko have.

Theyve had injury riddled careers far worse than Soward. Much bigger declines. They're proof that if he wamted to teams would take the risk.

Soward wasn't near career best form in 2016. But it had nothing to do with injury. He was still a better half than Carty aswell.

No half has played to their potential under Hook. Thsts a fact thats true at 2 different clubs over 6 seasons of football. There's about a dozen or so players to have proven it to be true. The only constant is the coach.

 

[mxlegend99]

As bad as Soward was playing he is still better than most of the halves over there. There would of been offers somewhere if he wanted to play

Exactly. He had a contract here he wanted release from. He just wanted to be the #1 guy in a team his ego wouldnt let him settle for less.

Took Benji ages to accept he wasn't the man anymore. He slowed down, was more busted than most halves his age but still played very well when used at Broncos. Even having lost his speed.

I really wish Soward had accepted that job with us. Although dropping him for a secomd rower probably told him he was never getting picked again.

 

[OldPanther]

I compared Whares last full season before the injuries to Peachy in 2016 where he played mostly centre.

Yeah comparing them purely as centres Whare never had as many try assists as Peachy. They also have an almost identical Tackle efficiency so defence isn't a big stand out in favour of Whare either with a difference of 0.8%

 

[mxlegend99]

Im still mind blown that Whare only had 7 try assists in 2014. I would have thought double that easily.

 

[OldPanther]

Im still mind blown that Whare only had 7 try assists in 2014. I would have thought double that easily.

Same. When I checked I thought he'd be one of the best in the comp.

 

[Copperhead]

Trent Hodginson is 30 in August and just signed by Manly.

It's neither here nor there, but Hodkinson signed with the Sharks.

We always thought Whare made Simmons look good, maybe it was the other way around.

 

[The Realist]

MX I agree with you very often so much so I barely ever post because you pretty much cover what I have to say, but saying Soward wasn't busted in his last year with us is just ridiculous. He was VERY badly busted and did us a favour by leaving.

Back on the topic of Peachey - if he wants anything over 300K a season let him walk, he is just not worth it playing as a utility. As a back rower he definitely isn't worth it, and as a centre isn't worth anything more than 350K.

If he had learnt how to play as a proper Hooker or a running 5/8 he would definitely be worth the reported 500K+

 

[betcats]

Yeah comparing them purely as centres Whare never had as many try assists as Peachy. They also have an almost identical Tackle efficiency so defence isn't a big stand out in favour of Whare either with a difference of 0.8%

Exactly, when you factor in Peachey's complete dominance of Whare in metres, tackle breaks and line breaks then it should be a no brainer who our first choice centre is, especially at the start of 2017 when Whare was coming off a two year injury run.

 

[OldPanther]

Exactly, when you factor in Peachey's complete dominance of Whare in metres, tackle breaks and line breaks then it should be a no brainer who our first choice centre is, especially at the start of 2017 when Whare was coming off a two year injury run.

I really wish Peach had first dibs on centre with Whare having to earn it.

 

[TheFrog]

I really wish Soward had accepted that job with us. Although dropping him for a secomd rower probably told him he was never getting picked again.

He would have had to pick up his defence. He was being targeted. It says a lot when Bryce is a better defensive option. He was also targeted with high shots which wore down his confidence.

 

[Pomoz]

It's neither here nor there, but Hodkinson signed with the Sharks.

We always thought Whare made Simmons look good, maybe it was the other way around.

Poor Simmo, never got any credit for anything. he had great anticipation and positioning. Better than Mansour that's for sure. Josh doesn't always get in the right spot but he does churn out the metres.

Simmons was very underrated.