Peachy now gone???

[mxlegend99]

That makes no sense though. Teams will plan according to the draw and ladder. Not where a team may finish

How does that not make sense? Tigers win Round 1...theyre in the top 8. We beat them Round 2. You want to claim that as a top 8 win?

Based on timing and form runs you probably have 12 or 13 teams inside the top 8 at various points. There are only 8 top 8 sides and 4 top 4 sides though. They are the teams who earn those positions after a full season.

 

[mxlegend99]

If you go back to the game day threads. All you get is comments on where that team sits at the time not where they may sit.

For example NQ at home. Comments were like lucky they had injuries etc which is all true.

The fact they made the GF doesn't change Morgan etc going off. Results show we beat a GF realistically we beat a banged up team that made a great late run

In a game day thread you can only accurately comment on the present and past though.

We cannot tell when a team has hit a form slump. Or if they are in one when they will get out of it. Its just guessing. A team can be on a winning streak and people prefict theyre due a loss. Likewise the opposite for a winning streak. All streaks do come to an end. But its just guesswork. Or possibly even wishful thinking or reverse psychology etc.

Tesms can cop injuries and people might expect a bigger or smaller hit to the side. Ie. Cowboys and Thurston. When he was out nobody would have picked them for a grand final. They had a form tun where the finals looked gone too. But ultimately they found a way to get the job done and scraped into the finals and soldiered on to a grand final.

Finals are a different competition though. What happens in them doesnt effect the ladder that was finalised after 26 rounds.

 

[Westernised Panther]

So...................is Peachey still here?!?

 

[franklin2323]

How does that not make sense? Tigers win Round 1...theyre in the top 8. We beat them Round 2. You want to claim that as a top 8 win?

Based on timing and form runs you probably have 12 or 13 teams inside the top 8 at various points. There are only 8 top 8 sides and 4 top 4 sides though. They are the teams who earn those positions after a full season.

By the same boat. Dragons were 1st after round 1. That should count on our Top 8 record.

 

[mxlegend99]

By the same boat. Dragons were 1st after round 1. That should count on our Top 8 record.

we lost to them.?

 

[OldPanther]

So...................is Peachey still here?!?

Thankfully yes. We're not due to deliver any produce to the Gold Coast until 2019.

 

[OldPanther]

By the same boat. Dragons were 1st after round 1. That should count on our Top 8 record.

This little discussion is the first time you've come across as disingenuous. Normally you offer a good ulterior side to a situation but I think we all this is silly. There isn't a rugby league anylist who would agree with you. How the 8 is after 26 rounds is surely the best indicator and Griffin has a long term pattern against these teams.

 

[franklin2323]

This little discussion is the first time you've come across as disingenuous. Normally you offer a good ulterior side to a situation but I think we all this is silly. There isn't a rugby league anylist who would agree with you. How the 8 is after 26 rounds is surely the best indicator and Griffin has a long term pattern against these teams.

Good point. I was trying to point out how these only give part of the story.
How is this then?

Since 2008.

Against Top 8 teams 31/115 27%
Against Bottom 8 teams 83/132 62%
Overall 46%

So before Griffin

Against Top 8 teams 24/93 26%
Against Bottom 8 teams 61/102 60%
Overall 46%

Griffin
Against Top 8 teams 7/22 32%
Against Bottom 8 teams 22/30 74%
Overall 56%

Figures aren't good still against top 8 teams but they are better then we have had in the past. So we are improving since the farce we dished up before.

More improvement this year hopefully

 

[mxlegend99]

Why pick 2008 as the starting point? Why not do each coach separately?

Also we should award bonus points to Cleary for our one and only win over Storm in like 15 years. Although with Cronk gone thdy just might be at a level we can compete with soon

 

[franklin2323]

Why pick 2008 as the starting point? Why not do each coach separately?

Also we should award bonus points to Cleary for our one and only win over Storm in like 15 years. Although with Cronk gone thdy just might be at a level we can compete with soon

Went back 10 seasons only. I will work on that after work.

Them and Sharks we never seem to beat looking back even when out of the 8.

 

[OldPanther]

Good point. I was trying to point out how these only give part of the story.
How is this then?

Since 2008.

Against Top 8 teams 31/115 27%
Against Bottom 8 teams 83/132 62%
Overall 46%

So before Griffin

Against Top 8 teams 24/93 26%
Against Bottom 8 teams 61/102 60%
Overall 46%

Griffin
Against Top 8 teams 7/22 32%
Against Bottom 8 teams 22/30 74%
Overall 56%

Figures aren't good still against top 8 teams but they are better then we have had in the past. So we are improving since the farce we dished up before.

More improvement this year hopefully

Interesting stats. The top 8 figure pretty much hasn't changed but the bottom 8 has improved under Griffin. I guess the next step is to work out whether that is our improvement(so we should expect these to keep improving as Griffin gets things in order to his liking) or a drop off from the bottom teams (I'm sure the club knows this already).

 

[OldPanther]

Why pick 2008 as the starting point? Why not do each coach separately?

Also we should award bonus points to Cleary for our one and only win over Storm in like 15 years. Although with Cronk gone thdy just might be at a level we can compete with soon

Went back 10 seasons only. I will work on that after work.

Them and Sharks we never seem to beat looking back even when out of the 8.

Everyone has bogey teams. They are just ours. We're better off ignoring it really unless we win of course

 

[franklin2323]

Interesting stats. The top 8 figure pretty much hasn't changed but the bottom 8 has improved under Griffin. I guess the next step is to work out whether that is our improvement(so we should expect these to keep improving as Griffin gets things in order to his liking) or a drop off from the bottom teams (I'm sure the club knows this already).

GC last year beat every top 8 team except us. Sharks twice yet missed the 8 so we have to beat the bad teams but need to find a way to be better against the good teams too

 

[herbert henry1908]

GC last year beat every top 8 team except us. Sharks twice yet missed the 8 so we have to beat the bad teams but need to find a way to be better against the good teams too

No they didn’t.

They only beat parramatta, Cronulla & Melbourne




.

 

[OldPanther]

GC last year beat every top 8 team except us. Sharks twice yet missed the 8 so we have to beat the bad teams but need to find a way to be better against the good teams too

We've got the bad teams covered. I honestly think better options in the opposition 20m and we become top 4 and your point about the Titans proves it, they had one of the highest tries off kicks stats last year. We we're one of the best for getting into the zone last year but couldn't finish it off.

 

[MrBlack]

We've got the bad teams covered. I honestly think better options in the opposition 20m and we become top 4 and your point about the Titans proces it, they had one of the highest tries off kicks stats last year. We we're one of the best for getting into the zone last year but couldn't finish it off.

that's where Maloney helps.

A few wins against the top teams and we are top 4

 

[herbert henry1908]

that's where Maloney helps.

A few wins against the top teams and we are top 4

Maloney’s kicking game in particular i think will be important. There’s been too much pressure on Cleary to take all the in play kicks.

 

[mxlegend99]

Went back 10 seasons only. I will work on that after work.

Them and Sharks we never seem to beat looking back even when out of the 8.

Ok cool. Didnt mean for it to sound jedgey. Just seemed an odd time to start.

I thought it was supposed to be Elliott and Cleary era against Hook. And obviously 2007 was the start of that era.

That was a spoon year so it would only lower it further.

 

[franklin2323]

that's where Maloney helps.

A few wins against the top teams and we are top 4

Even allowing for the dodgy forward pass try. Peachey passes it too Blake v Roosters we beat them.

Mansour even knocks that kick v Cowboys into touch we win.

Both times v Broncs last year we had calls go against us and couldn't get the momentum back.

Hell Parra don't lose 12 points they make the 8 in 2016 and we beat them twice.

So even allowing for no Maloney we weren't far off.

 

[mxlegend99]

Maloney’s kicking game in particular i think will be important. There’s been too much pressure on Cleary to take all the in play kicks.

So long as he doesnt have a bunch of restrictions on what he cant do.

If hes not allowed to go for repeat sets it's really going to limit him. That's the worst rule Hook has. Doesnt like to risk 7 tackles yet our team was full of players that thrive on freakish risky plays and as far as risk goes a grubber is low risk anyway.