Peachy now gone???

[billypilgrimnz]

our team was full of players that thrive on freakish risky plays....

Yeah, that's not going to be the case for very long.

 

[OldPanther]

So long as he doesnt have a bunch of restrictions on what he cant do.

If hes not allowed to go for repeat sets it's really going to limit him. That's the worst rule Hook has. Doesnt like to risk 7 tackles yet our team was full of players that thrive on freakish risky plays and as far as risk goes a grubber is low risk anyway.

Without a doubt he's ultra conservative. Hopefully Gus puts his foot down about the attacking kicks as he's in the media with all the grat footy players who have given us shit about it.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Even allowing for the dodgy forward pass try. Peachey passes it too Blake v Roosters we beat them.

Mansour even knocks that kick v Cowboys into touch we win.

Both times v Broncs last year we had calls go against us and couldn't get the momentum back.

Hell Parra don't lose 12 points they make the 8 in 2016 and we beat them twice.

So even allowing for no Maloney we weren't far off.

The problem with this logic is every team has those little things. Many of them against us.

We were a long way off because good teams overcome adversity.

 

[franklin2323]

The problem with this logic is every team has those little things. Many of them against us.

We were a long way off because good teams overcome adversity.

This is true. I guess being so dominate in the lower grades comes at a cost. It's why hopefully the bad start, The Moylan thing right on the finals. Has helped that side of the game

 

[herbert henry1908]

Good point. I was trying to point out how these only give part of the story.
How is this then?

Since 2008.

Against Top 8 teams 31/115 27%
Against Bottom 8 teams 83/132 62%
Overall 46%

So before Griffin

Against Top 8 teams 24/93 26%
Against Bottom 8 teams 61/102 60%
Overall 46%

Griffin
Against Top 8 teams 7/22 32%
Against Bottom 8 teams 22/30 74%
Overall 56%

Figures aren't good still against top 8 teams but they are better then we have had in the past. So we are improving since the farce we dished up before.

More improvement this year hopefully

That Griffin is a better coach than Matt Elliott will come as a surprise to no one.

But Griffin inherited a much more complete squad than Cleary did.

The improvement, given the amount of resources & money thrown at it, hasn’t been good enough.

 

[franklin2323]

Without a doubt he's ultra conservative. Hopefully Gus puts his foot down about the attacking kicks as he's in the media with all the grat footy players who have given us shit about it.

Maloney has a great short kicking game. Gus and Brandy would know that and hopefully let it go

 

[herbert henry1908]

This is true. I guess being so dominate in the lower grades comes at a cost. It's why hopefully the bad start, The Moylan thing right on the finals. Has helped that side of the game

You’re saying those guys are used to easy wins so find it hard to translate to a more competitive grade? That’s all on the coaches.

 

[franklin2323]

That Griffin is a better coach than Matt Elliott will come as a surprise to no one.

But Griffin inherited a much more complete squad than Cleary did.

The improvement, given the amount of resources & money thrown at it, hasn’t been good enough.

We can debate if we should of signed them but there was a reason we keep signing guys with big game experience. We lack the players or did that could match a finals or SOO intensity game for the full 80. Hence we get smashed in games v top teams 80% of the time

Soward got his best form in 14. Merrin was good in 16 but Brown. Manu and now Tamou have been down on what they showed elsewhere.
We are more complete but not complete yet. Hopefully Maloney is that last piece

 

[franklin2323]

You’re saying those guys are used to easy wins so find it hard to translate to a more competitive grade? That’s all on the coaches.

Cleary himself when asked what he needs to improve on before he is Origin ready. Said he needs to improve on playing what is infront of him.

He is 100% right the Broncs semi was proof. We did the tape and attacked one side. Broncs also looked at the tape and fixed that flaw he didn't trust himself to try something else.

Not sure if that is anything you can teach. Pearce still has stage fright in SOO and he has one of the best club coaches

 

[herbert henry1908]

We can debate if we should of signed them but there was a reason we keep signing guys with big game experience. We lack the players or did that could match a finals or SOO intensity game for the full 80. Hence we get smashed in games v top teams 80% of the time

Soward got his best form in 14. Merrin was good in 16 but Brown. Manu and now Tamou have been down on what they showed elsewhere.
We are more complete but not complete yet. Hopefully Maloney is that last piece

Experience is required, no doubt.

But a 6 percentage point bump, given all the signings we’ve made, coaches we’ve changed, money we’ve spent on training facilities etc is not good enough. Not by a long shot.


The ideas have been good, the execution has been poor.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Cleary himself when asked what he needs to improve on before he is Origin ready. Said he needs to improve on playing what is infront of him.

He is 100% right the Broncs semi was proof. We did the tape and attacked one side. Broncs also looked at the tape and fixed that flaw he didn't trust himself to try something else.

Not sure if that is anything you can teach. Pearce still has stage fright in SOO and he has one of the best club coaches

Coach is very much there to instil calmness in the players so they can make better decisions. And I actually have seen some improvement there.

However beating the top teams needs more than just that. Needs a game plan, a plan we don’t have, and a plan Griffin has clearly never had.

 

[OldPanther]

Cleary himself when asked what he needs to improve on before he is Origin ready. Said he needs to improve on playing what is infront of him.

He is 100% right the Broncs semi was proof. We did the tape and attacked one side. Broncs also looked at the tape and fixed that flaw he didn't trust himself to try something else.

Not sure if that is anything you can teach. Pearce still has stage fright in SOO and he has one of the best club coaches

Coach is very much there to instil calmness in the players so they can make better decisions. And I actually have seen some improvement there.

However beating the top teams needs more than just that. Needs a game plan, a plan we don’t have, and a plan Griffin has clearly never had.

There's no way around it. We need a full time attacking coach.


I also put this on r/nrl and will post here as well:

Griffin is it for us. He's been given a team he wants and the perfect spine with two excellent young blokes and 2 very experienced players, one of which has is a two time premiership winner. Less than top 4 and hook should be hooked.

 

[herbert henry1908]

There's no way around it. We need a full time attacking coach.


I also put this on r/nrl and will post here as well:

Griffin is it for us. He's been given a team he wants and the perfect spine with two excellent young blokes and 2 very experienced players, one of which has is a two time premiership winner. Less than top 4 and hook should be hooked.

Here’s what I do. I’d move Hook to a coaches director role, a mentor for the young guys. I think he’d be great at that role. Then I’d bring in a young coach with new ideas.

 

[franklin2323]

Here’s what I do. I’d move Hook to a coaches director role, a mentor for the young guys. I think he’d be great at that role. Then I’d bring in a young coach with new ideas.

How much did the off field cap end up being? That could be a factor in the lack of an attacking coach. Does lower grade coaches count?

 

[franklin2323]

There's no way around it. We need a full time attacking coach.


I also put this on r/nrl and will post here as well:

Griffin is it for us. He's been given a team he wants and the perfect spine with two excellent young blokes and 2 very experienced players, one of which has is a two time premiership winner. Less than top 4 and hook should be hooked.

I will add to that. If Hook goes so does Gus in my mind get a whole new setup

 

[herbert henry1908]

How much did the off field cap end up being? That could be a factor in the lack of an attacking coach. Does lower grade coaches count?

I’m not sure, but I think it’s just a monetary penatly if you exceed it.

 

[franklin2323]

I’m not sure, but I think it’s just a monetary penatly if you exceed it.

In that case. Break it we need to do what is best for us not the poor clubs

 

[Copperhead]

Cleary himself when asked what he needs to improve on before he is Origin ready. Said he needs to improve on playing what is infront of him.

He is 100% right the Broncs semi was proof. We did the tape and attacked one side. Broncs also looked at the tape and fixed that flaw he didn't trust himself to try something else.

Not sure if that is anything you can teach. Pearce still has stage fright in SOO and he has one of the best club coaches

That was a concern. Even if it was the game plan, you'd expect a half to see that Moga was flattening CHN every time he got that short ball, and cut him out.

Just how tied to the plan are the players? Because it was a far cry from the player who made a break and then chipped to the wing for Peachey to take on the full and score from the previous season.

 

[OldPanther]

That was a concern. Even if it was the game plan, you'd expect a half to see that Moga was flattening CHN every time he got that short ball, and cut him out.

Just how tied to the plan are the players? Because it was a far cry from the player who made a break and then chipped to the wing for Peachey to take on the full and score from the previous season.

Maybe they get roasted in the dressing room for going off plan. Could definitely explain the Moylan half time issue and Cleary becoming a robot.

 

[Pomoz]

Experience is required, no doubt.

But a 6 percentage point bump, given all the signings we’ve made, coaches we’ve changed, money we’ve spent on training facilities etc is not good enough. Not by a long shot.


The ideas have been good, the execution has been poor.

I can't agree with this point for one reason. The clubs that have been top four all have experienced halves. We have not had that since Griffin arrived. A clapped out broken Soward and Wallace were not able to continue as halves and Griffin has had to build again. It is the spine that has let us down. the Brisbane game and Cleary's lack of experience a glaring example. You can have a great roster but without a spine to guide it around, you will struggle.

Hopefully, this year with Maloney on board and Cleary with another off season under his belt, we can see a big improvement. Edwards will be better for last years experience and is a quality player even with his relatively little experience, that just leaves hooker as the missing piece. Wallace is on his last legs and we need a good quality hooker to replace him.