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T-Boon

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There were no warnings in Sharks v Storm for offside or not square at marker.
There were warnings today and were back the 12. Which resulted in only 3 offside penalties compared to 10 on Friday.

Where is this information coming from and what is the 12?
 

Surely

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One more rule they’ve tinkered with and caused unintended consequences, banning the shoulder charge, it’s putting the defenders at a disadvantage and putting them in dangerous situations.

Defenders need to be able to use the shoulder when a 120kg pile of man mountain is steaming full speed into them.
 

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There are times when those who are supposed to nurture and grow the NRL instead contribute to the impression that an excellent game is in a state of perpetual crisis.

The seemingly premature registration of Brisbane Broncos prop Matthew Lodge was just one recent example where the game's administration parked a fuel tanker next to a dynamite factory.

And then there are those occasions when the NRL enacts the sensible policy needed to improve the game, yet still somehow finds itself in the middle of a controversy concocted by the crisis merchants determined to find gloom and doom in every situation.

And so after just four rounds, the NRL stands accused of the heinous "how can they live with themselves" crime of — enforcing the rules!
An edict that referees strictly police ruck infringements and the ten metre rule is the obvious and overdue response to years of complaints about wrestling at the play-the-ball and defences constantly creeping off-side.

Stricter policing of these rules should minimise the dark arts of tackling, increase the speed of the play-the-ball and give attacking teams more space in which to run and create. Laudable objectives that serve fans well.

There is a strong case that the corrective measure, particularly an unusually high penalty count that is noticeably disrupting the flow of some games, is the result of previous inaction.

Arguably, the NRL should have cleaned house long ago and teams would have adapted accordingly.
But had they done so there would have been a similar sense of outrage from those now condemning the authorities for simply making players conform to basic rules.

It's a no-win situation
This is a position the NRL must constantly endure — damned if it does, damned if it doesn't by the professional malcontents determined to find the dark cloud outside every silver lining.

Attempt to build a great new stadium and the NRL is abandoning the games "great suburban tradition".

Invest wisely in long-term projects and it is "wasting money that should be spent on grass roots".

Bring the game's self-serving war lords to heel and it is "disrespecting the great club men." And so it goes.

Accordingly, many of the critics now moaning about inflated penalty counts were the same ones who spent years forensically examining video for evidence that NRL forwards were merely Greco-Roman wrestlers in sponsored jerseys.

As a demonstration of how infectious the nay-saying can become, even the usually non-confrontational Nine commentator Andrew Johns has joined the chorus of discontent.

Unimpressed by the 24 penalties awarded during the South Sydney-Canterbury Bulldogs game on Friday, Johns expressed his disgust on social media.

"Whoever is at the top of the NRL hang your head. The game belongs not to you or the players. It belongs to the fans who pay to watch. Waiting for response Todd," he wrote on Instagram.
 

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Johns's assertion that ex-players watching the game as highly paid member of a commercial commentary teams speak more for fans than those running the game is itself questionable.

But it is Johns's demand that the NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg respond directly to his complaint that is most revealing; the assumption that the game must constantly answer to the reflexive weekly whining of the media.

Can the NRL endure the white noise?
The problem for Greenberg, and other hamsters stuck on the NRL's crisis treadmill, is not that they have failed to respond to even the most trivial charges laid by their caustic critics. But that they have done so too often.

As I've argued here before, the NRL has made a rod for its own back by pandering to those who do the greatest damage to the game in an attempt to limit the reputational damage caused by consistently negative headlines.

Inevitably, they have merely empowered the most parasitic element of the game whose sense of power has made them come to believe they are the arbiters of the sport and the voice of some spurious "silent majority".
Accordingly, so wildly does the NRL's moral compass spin that there is an inevitable cynicism when even the game's most revered figures speak; as when Brisbane Broncos coach Wayne Bennett spoke thoughtfully about the penalty count controversy at the weekend.

"They have made a decision obviously that they are going to clean the play-the-ball area up and they are going to clean up the 10 metres, and I'm a fan of it because it is going to give us a better game,'' Bennett said.

''It is who blinks now. If the game blinks, the coaches will be back in control. If the game stays strong, we'll have to make to make sure our players are adhering to the rules.''

Common sense stuff. Yet, through the NRL's prism of controversy and crisis, you wonder if this is the Wayne Bennett who shot those messengers rightly questioning Lodge's return to the game, presumably because his quest for a valedictory premiership was enhanced by his registration. Or is it the Bennett who cares deeply for the game's integrity?

In that respect, it will be intriguing to see whether the NRL endures the white noise created by the crisis merchants about its rules crackdown and waits for the coaches to adapt.

Or whether it relents in the face of the predictable taunts of those whose vision for the game does not extend beyond the end of their own noses.
 

T-Boon

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The embarrassing thing for Johns and Gould is every time they flip out about a decision and ask to have another look at a replay so they can say the ref got it wrong they turn out to be wrong. I've seen that at least 3 times this weekend and the commentators are really getting exposed as stupid.
For example:
Johns blew up about an offside call last night and, getting wound up and irate, said "where is the offside - let me have another look at that". Then the replay shows a player next to the ref about 1 metre offside and the winger about 2 metres offside. SO then they get a little sheepish and start talking about "passive offside" except the play had gone to the centre who made the tackle who was 1 inside the "passive" offside winger. If that winger wasn't there they probably step around the centre and are away.
They also blew up about a penalty against SKD after he made a great tackle but then stupidly roughed up the tackled player. It was just stupid play from SKD and deserved of a penalty. But Johns and Gould are flipping out at the ref.
 

Stallion

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Thought Fittler had the right approach about the refereeing. He was supportive but practical at what is trying to be achieved for the code.
 
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Perth Red

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And yet the two games yesterday were not reffed to the same strictness as the friday games, nowhere near in fact. There were dozens of offsides and not square at markers not pulled up yesterday and a pierce blow up at the ref not marched 10. It’s no wonder the players have no idea wtf is going on.
 

Stallion

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And yet the two games yesterday were not reffed to the same strictness as the friday games, nowhere near in fact. There were dozens of offsides and not square at markers not pulled up yesterday and a pierce blow up at the ref not marched 10. It’s no wonder the players have no idea wtf is going on.

Fair call. I think policing the ply the ball and keeping them apart is the main tact. The other indiscretions are not as crucial and will impact the flow of the game to an extent whereby it becomes a penalty contest. Think the major concerns were dealt with. The games were much more free flowing. And finally most players are using the foot when playing the ball! Understand it's not to the letter of all the games rules, however addressing the main concern of the play the ball and keeping them apart is a win. I can tolerate the other stuff. The games did flow much better yesterday.
 

T-Boon

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And yet the two games yesterday were not reffed to the same strictness as the friday games, nowhere near in fact. There were dozens of offsides and not square at markers not pulled up yesterday and a pierce blow up at the ref not marched 10. It’s no wonder the players have no idea wtf is going on.

They haven't been cracking down on markers being square or backchat they have been cracking down on offside on the try line. That is where the big penalty counts are coming.
 

Perth Red

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They haven't been cracking down on markers being square or backchat they have been cracking down on offside on the try line. That is where the big penalty counts are coming.

not yesterday they didn’t. The most blatant one was when a player was stood 1/2 meter in front of the line right next to the ref. Sadly the fox camera angles rarely show the wide shot at play the ball so we dont get to see exactly how many times players are offside but I was keeping an eye on it yesterday and I counted about 20 across the two games were players were in front of the try line at pob’s inside the 10 that weren’t penalised.
 

T-Boon

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not yesterday they didn’t.

Yeah I just saw the last 10 minutes of Knights v Dragons and saw one blatant one where Ross and the centre were half a metre offside on the line and the ref didn't call them when they absolutely should have. The ball was played only 3/4 metres in from their touchline.
Not sure why the ref does not call that except that maybe they play an advantage.
However, it is not like Ross would have been confused about the situation he was deliberately offside and if it was called screw him.
 

T-Boon

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It’s no wonder the players have no idea wtf is going on.

The players know what is going on. If they infringe they are way more likely to get penalised. If they don't get penalised they can count themselves lucky.
 

Life's Good

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not yesterday they didn’t. The most blatant one was when a player was stood 1/2 meter in front of the line right next to the ref. Sadly the fox camera angles rarely show the wide shot at play the ball so we dont get to see exactly how many times players are offside but I was keeping an eye on it yesterday and I counted about 20 across the two games were players were in front of the try line at pob’s inside the 10 that weren’t penalised.
At the end of the day players will still test the limits & I concede a crackdown won’t eliminate everything but what it will do (or should do) is return the game to a better standard of footy and not who flouts the rules the best wins. At least that’s my very simple, broad view.
 

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Where is this information coming from and what is the 12?
Ref audio from the games.
How can you not know the 12?
The 12 was a principle with the 10 meters, thats been the way for decades, The ref doesnt take you back 10m, he takes you back 12m so you can be infront of him and not be pinged unless your massively infront. It also allows the ref to be able to look at the ruck and see whose offside without moving his head.
Look at where the ball is being played and where the ref is. Its 12m.
 

cleary89

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The embarrassing thing for Johns and Gould is every time they flip out about a decision and ask to have another look at a replay so they can say the ref got it wrong they turn out to be wrong. I've seen that at least 3 times this weekend and the commentators are really getting exposed as stupid.
For example:
Johns blew up about an offside call last night and, getting wound up and irate, said "where is the offside - let me have another look at that". Then the replay shows a player next to the ref about 1 metre offside and the winger about 2 metres offside. SO then they get a little sheepish and start talking about "passive offside" except the play had gone to the centre who made the tackle who was 1 inside the "passive" offside winger. If that winger wasn't there they probably step around the centre and are away.
They also blew up about a penalty against SKD after he made a great tackle but then stupidly roughed up the tackled player. It was just stupid play from SKD and deserved of a penalty. But Johns and Gould are flipping out at the ref.

Gould blew up about a storm knock on... how could it be a knock on. Replay clearly shows storm player hitting the ball out the sharks players hand.

"Id like to know when they made that a knock on because he wasnt the one with the ball". They never say they got it wrong. They just find a way to put shit on the refs/nrl.
 

Perth Red

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Gould blew up about a storm knock on... how could it be a knock on. Replay clearly shows storm player hitting the ball out the sharks players hand.

"Id like to know when they made that a knock on because he wasnt the one with the ball". They never say they got it wrong. They just find a way to put shit on the refs/nrl.

Sadly ch9 commentators think they are there as opinion gossip pundits rather than RL commentators! On the plus side I have fox so dont have to listen to their sht!
 

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