Penalty Differentials

[Cockosh]

The Eels have 28 second half penalties in 15 games, but you don't see Parra fans bitching and moaning about it. Take out the first 3 games where we got 4 second half penalties in each, and that makes it 16 second half penalties in the last 12 games.

But you're right, the Roosters are obviously being deliberately screwed by the refs.

Of course we whinged. At the time he wrote article at the end of round 7 we had only received 8 2nd half penalties. In 7 games! We had 3 against Canberra. So 5 in the other 6 games. Happy to be corrected but has Parra ever had such a run?

And it's not as though they were "square ups" coz we win 1st half count. We are equal worst still in penalties for (with Parra).

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Another penalty count won by the Roosters (including 4 second half penalties). What will you guys whine about now?

 

[Cockosh]

Another penalty count won by the Roosters (including 4 second half penalties). What will you guys whine about now?

Nothing it's obviously improved to the point where we RECEIVE penalties on par with the remaining 15 teams. So can you explain why over such a prolonged period of time we RECEIVED far less penalties than the average?

Seems you are more obsessed with our penalty counts than us.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The following was published in today's Sydney Morning Herald -

Seven up: The alarming penalty stat the Sydney Roosters fear is ruining their NRL campaign

Date: July 16, 2015 - 9:34AM
Adrian Proszenko Chief Rugby League Reporter

The Roosters have long suspected they don't get their fair share of penalties and a forensic look at their treatment by the whistleblowers confirms they are right.

There are any number of statistics which highlight that the tri-colours have been offside with referees in recent years, but none more so than when it comes to receiving more than seven penalties in a match.

Research conducted by Sydney-based logistician and Roosters life member Alan Katzmann has found that since the 2013 grand final, NRL clubs are awarded, on average, more than seven penalties about every three matches (or 13.53 times per team in regular season games since the opening round of 2014 to last weekend).

However, it hasn't happened for the Roosters in the past 38 home-and-away matches, a 'streak' that balloons to 41 if finals game are included. Given that it has happened 203 times in the 320 matches, the Roosters appear to have reason to feel aggrieved.

Penrith (19 occasions), South Sydney and the Gold Coast have been the biggest beneficiaries when it comes to receiving more than seven penalties, while the Eels and Raiders are on the other end with just eight. However, the fact the Roosters have enjoyed the advantage just once during the period is a sore point for club officials. Premiership-winning Roosters coach Trent Robinson is aware of the anomaly but declined to comment.

"Generally teams concede penalties when they are failing to physically match their opponents and are losing the battle at the ruck," Katzmann observed.

"Given the Roosters have won 65 per cent of their home-and-away matches since the start of 2014, through what experts describe as a power game, one would expect they would be receiving a reasonable share of the penalties as sides struggle to hold their pack, which is as strong as any in the NRL, but alas the opposite is the case, with the Roosters continually conceding more penalties than most other teams, and receiving the fewest of all 16 teams in the NRL."

The Roosters have received fewer penalties than any other club in regular-season games from 2007-14 and also conceded the greatest number over the same period. While spoiling tactics or indiscipline are often given as reasons for conceding penalties, Roosters insiders are concerned the club has no control over penalties received. All coaches know that a large discrepancy against them makes the task of winning games much more difficult.

"In 2015 the gap between the penalties the Roosters received compared to other clubs has not abated," Katzmann noted.

"Through 16 matches played this season the Roosters are again at the bottom of the table for penalties received, with just 87 from 16 matches. Remember, we are not talking about penalties conceded by the Roosters, an area in which they do have some control over – these are penalties received – determined entirely upon the conduct of the Roosters' opponents each weekend, and the actions of referees in adjudicating on that conduct.

"It continually amazes how clubs' adherence to the rules when playing the Roosters, based on penalty counts, are always significantly more vigilant when playing the Roosters, compared, on average, to playing other clubs.

"Despite major changes in personnel and referees over the past decade clubs playing the Roosters have been able to maintain that discipline, even when this discipline is missing when pitted against the other [15] clubs they play each season."

NRL Referees Elite Performance Manager Tony Archer said he was in "constant dialogue with all coaches, including Trent Robinson". "In season 2015, the Roosters have conceded on average 6.8 penalties a game and have received on average 5.4 penalties a game," he said.

 

[Dutchy]

The following was published in today's Sydney Morning Herald -

Can't believe a Tommy Smith opinion piece made the paper.

 

[Meapro Ham]

Can you bet on penalty counts? I'd like to have something on an 8 all penalty count in the Roosters v Warriors game on Sunday.

 

[BCH]

Good to see some facts being reported in a newspaper for a change. No doubt it will still be viewed as the Roosters being too ill-disciplined to receive penalties.

 

[TheFrog]

The Roosters won the penalty count 7-6 against the Panthers last Saturday, and at Penrith as well. They picked a bad week to run this story.

It is well known in the game that the Roosters concede penalties strategically, mostly for holding down, in order to get their defence set. Often they get away with it (not as often as the Storm though). Other teams attempt to run a disciplined game, which appears to be a losing strategy these days. The Roosters appear to get ample rewards for giving penalties away, or else they would not do it.

 

[BCH]

The Roosters won the penalty count 7-6 against the Panthers last Saturday, and at Penrith as well. They picked a bad week to run this story.

It is well known in the game that the Roosters concede penalties strategically, mostly for holding down, in order to get their defence set. Often they get away with it. Other teams attempt to run a disciplined game. The Roosters appear to get ample rewards for giving penalties away, or else they would not do it.

It's a great week to run the story if last week was the first time the Roosters have received 7 penalties in the last 41 games - yet in that time Penrith, Souths & Gold Coast have received that number a staggering 19 times.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Can't believe a Tommy Smith opinion piece made the paper.

I'm a proud man.

 

[DJShaksta]

The roosters don't deserve to win a penalty count for next 3 centuries after this came out.

 

[rabbitohs95]

The Roosters are winning games so why do they care? Not saying all supporters are but its a bit petty considering theyre third on the ladder.

 

[BCH]

The Roosters are winning games so why do they care? Not saying all supporters are but its a bit petty considering theyre third on the ladder.

Because it's been going on for a long time and they weren't always winning. Also, if you whinge about penalties counts when you're losing there is zero effect.

 

[Dutchy]

It's a great week to run the story if last week was the first time the Roosters have received 7 penalties in the last 41 games - yet in that time Penrith, Souths & Gold Coast have received that number a staggering 19 times.

Before they played Panthers, Roosters won the penalty count against Titans 7-3.
Lost it 7-6 v Dragons.
5-5 in NZ
Lost 8-7 ar Cronulla

They haven't really been on the receiving end recently have they?

Out of curiosity, I checked. The last time they played Souths it was 4-4.

 

[Hutty1986]

Can't believe a Tommy Smith opinion piece made the paper.

:lol:

 

[BCH]

Before they played Panthers, Roosters won the penalty count against Titans 7-3.
Lost it 7-6 v Dragons.
5-5 in NZ
Lost 8-7 ar Cronulla

They haven't really been on the receiving end recently have they?

Out of curiosity, I checked. The last time they played Souths it was 4-4.

Not recently no, coincidentally since these stats have slowly been coming to light. In any event, the stats over time speak for themselves.

 

[BCH]

Before they played Panthers, Roosters won the penalty count against Titans 7-3.
Lost it 7-6 v Dragons.
5-5 in NZ
Lost 8-7 ar Cronulla

They haven't really been on the receiving end recently have they?

Out of curiosity, I checked. The last time they played Souths it was 4-4.[/QUOTE]

And what were they in last year's prelim - something like 12 -5 to souths.

 

[TheFrog]

It's a great week to run the story if last week was the first time the Roosters have received 7 penalties in the last 41 games - yet in that time Penrith, Souths & Gold Coast have received that number a staggering 19 times.

It actually says more than 7, so they still didn't receive more than 7 last week, but they did win the penalty count. And it hasn't stopped the Roosters being premiers and then minor premiers in that time. Which was the point I'm making. They get handsome return for losing the penalty count, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Their supporters are just trying to increase the advantage they receive from cheating even further.

My view is that the sin bin should be used for repeated infringements. Penalties clearly are insufficient deterrent.

 

[BCH]

It actually says more than 7, so they still didn't receive more than 7 last week, but they did win the penalty count. And it hasn't stopped the Roosters being premiers and then minor premiers in that time. Which was the point I'm making. They get handsome return for losing the penalty count, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Their supporters are just trying to increase the advantage they receive from cheating even further.

My view is that the sin bin should be used for repeated infringements. Penalties clearly are insufficient deterrent.

This is irrelevant to penalties received and the article published. I note though that you have a different view in this regard, but which is not to date backed up by any statistical evidence.

 

[betcats]

Hope the roosters get knocked out this year by losing a penalty count 10 - 0