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Penrith Panthers Jersey Flegg/NSW Cup 2022 Discussion Thread

Iamback

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NSW Cup flogged as well Bit of a concern. Thought we had a decent side on paper but the final score line not to flattering.

Too many guys missing.

Staines is a rookie FB
Flegg halves.

That happens when Ivan plays games with the fringe guys
 

maple_69

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So we’re playing Kenny mostly as a bench edge/prop/lock and Luke as starting Cup hooker. I wonder if the plan is for Luke to start next year. Kenny just isn’t getting any minutes at hooker and if we plan on him being our starter next year, this surely isn’t the way to build towards that. Conversely when Luke had his looks in NRL he straight replaced Api and came on much earlier.
 

WestyLife

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So we’re playing Kenny mostly as a bench edge/prop/lock and Luke as starting Cup hooker. I wonder if the plan is for Luke to start next year. Kenny just isn’t getting any minutes at hooker and if we plan on him being our starter next year, this surely isn’t the way to build towards that. Conversely when Luke had his looks in NRL he straight replaced Api and came on much earlier.

Certainly looks like it. Not too bad Kenny can play a small ball playing forward who tackles everything well enough.
 

Kilkenny

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If Yeo wasn't so good. Kenny would be perfect that role as teams are playing smaller locks.

Garner being able to play centre opens options for the bench
I watched Garner closely again against the Sea Eagles and while I understand there are some who are optimistic Ivan and his staff can improve him like they have done with others in recent times I just don’t see to much upside in him.
 

WestyLife

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I watched Garner closely again against the Sea Eagles and while I understand there are some who are optimistic Ivan and his staff can improve him like they have done with others in recent times I just don’t see to much upside in him.

Good athlete with good football skills. He just needs a better club to bring out his best, have to remember Panthers will expect his best both at training and on game day. Eisenhuth said players hold each other accountable which is the complete opposite of the Tigers.
 

Iamback

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I watched Garner closely again against the Sea Eagles and while I understand there are some who are optimistic Ivan and his staff can improve him like they have done with others in recent times I just don’t see to much upside in him.

He is cheap. I don't see him long term but like Capewell good solid player for a couple of seasons.

Luai will make him look better than he is now
 

Kilkenny

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Good athlete with good football skills. He just needs a better club to bring out his best, have to remember Panthers will expect his best both at training and on game day. Eisenhuth said players hold each other accountable which is the complete opposite of the Tigers.
I just don’t see it him but glad to be proved wrong. He is certainly not a replacement for Kikau so we have to find a replacement for him from somewhere.
 

WestyLife

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I just don’t see it him but glad to be proved wrong. He is certainly not a replacement for Kikau so we have to find a replacement for him from somewhere.

Not sure that there is a replacement for kikau out there. He's a bit of a genetic anomaly.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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I watched Garner closely again against the Sea Eagles and while I understand there are some who are optimistic Ivan and his staff can improve him like they have done with others in recent times I just don’t see to much upside in him.

I'll wait to see him within the Penrith's system before making a judgement.

REalistically who would have though SS, Eiso, Mom, Capewell would have worked so well.
 

Kilkenny

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Not sure that there is a replacement for kikau out there. He's a bit of a genetic anomaly.
Kikau promised our fans he would deliver in 2022 and thus far he is certainly delivering on his promise and on track for his best and most consistent season. Good and bad around this I guess.
 

Kilkenny

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In time I think Maverik Geyer might be within a similar mold.
Not big enough Alice, currently listed as 104kg, he may add a few more kilo’s but no where near the size of Viliame. We need him to develop and quickly and I am optimistic he can be NRL quality, just not quite Kikau quality.
 

Original Name

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If Yeo wasn't so good. Kenny would be perfect that role as teams are playing smaller locks.
He doesn't have the footy IQ to play like a halfback like Yeo does. He can run the training shape but that's the limit of his ability. To fool the defence in the middle of the field to get you need to be on the field to engage the defenders you need more. It's nuance, to lie with your body language to make defenders hesitate, to play slow thinking you're going to pass before the line only to run deep into the line then pass, to fake inside then play out but do it believably with the confidence of a real half to sell it, etc.

If all you needed to do what Yeo was to catch and pass in a specific shape people here could do that. That first Roosters try where Yeo made the line break he slowed down and the outside defenders came up past their inside defenders thinking he was slowing down to pass which created the gap that Sorenson went through.

Kenny doesn't have the mind of a half but the body of a forward in terms of Rugby League. He has the natural mindset of a middle forward and is developing his creativity to try and play at hooker.
Not big enough Alice, currently listed as 104kg, he may add a few more kilo’s but no where near the size of Viliame. We need him to develop and quickly and I am optimistic he can be NRL quality, just not quite Kikau quality.
I wanna know when his measurement were taken because in the trail he looked far bigger than that. Hopgood is recorded at 102kgs. There's no way that's the weight difference. Just look at them. But more importantly he just doesn't play physical enough. He's plays like if Cartwright dumped some skill stats and put them into strength stats but with a similar mentality. He's a handy point of difference in attack but in contact he's raw.

It's nothing concerning. Plenty of big forwards don't really get good and realize how big and destructive they are until they're older.
 
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snickers007

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Good to see the Flegg and Cup boys steady the ship today with good wins. Hopefully Falls isn't too far away for Cup and we can wrap up the Minor Premiership.

Flegg should still make the finals from here too as long as injuries etc don't force all the good players up.
 
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