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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

taipan

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I eagerly await the day that bottom line is in the black not the red. I’ll crack open a beer in celebration for you.

They have zero debt ATM.And money in the bank, so you may have to wait a while.
I eagerly await the day your mob gets in and shows itself to be long term sustainable with any losses.

I'll crack open a beer ,the day your world gets out of its obsessive negativity. Think I'm safe from having to do so.
Stay classy.
 

Timmah

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I didn't mention any gotcha moments, you did. Just like you mentioned Paul Kent and now mentioning Dave Smith.

Have I crucified Dave Smith?
I took the gotcha moments off the table first up because they're not genuine reasons - and since then you've not only used them, but failed to provide any other observations to back the claim you made that Beattie has been terrible for RL.
 

typicalfan

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I took the gotcha moments off the table first up because they're not genuine reasons - and since then you've not only used them, but failed to provide any other observations to back the claim you made that Beattie has been terrible for RL.
That's an even better misrepresentation than your last one. You took them off the table? They weren't on the table lol, I never mentioned them.
 

Timmah

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That's an even better misrepresentation than your last one. You took them off the table? They weren't on the table lol, I never mentioned them.
I'll take your fourth attempt at avoiding answering that you actually have nothing to say. Good chat
 

Quicksilver

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Here’s an update on your article where it states 13 premier league clubs made a profit and 7 made a loss.

So maybe I went a bit overboard with saying most.

But, you know, it is the premier league.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...guide-2017-18-accounts-manchester-united-city
 

TheRam

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So apart from premier league, afl, nrl, nfl,nba and probably many other top leagues, most clubs are making a loss lol.

I don't consider a substantial subsidy to all NRL clubs a healthy business model and that clubs are really making a profit. Kind of like wind and solar subsidies. Sure they are in the black but someone else is paying for it. In RL terms it is the game as a whole that is being handicapped by this ridiculous bale out amount afforded to clubs every freakin year, so they can live beyond their means and never go bust, therefore never needing to grow their portion of the pie or move to areas that can allow them to flourish. Also hindering expansion into other areas like WA, SA and Bris 2, that may increase the games footprint and support by the magnitude of millions if done right.


Imagine what could be done with all those tens of millions if used in junior development not only in NSW, QLD, but VIC, WA and SA year in year out. We may actually get a non Islander/Maori junior or two come out of VIC to play for the Storm NRL team at long last. But seriously the amount of development officers and programs that we could create with all that money is ridiculous and such a crying shame that we don't. Oh well that sort of development is reserved only for the best run sports like the AFL here in Australia.
 

Perth Red

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I don't consider a substantial subsidy to all NRL clubs a healthy business model and that clubs are really making a profit. Kind of like wind and solar subsidies. Sure they are in the black but someone else is paying for it. In RL terms it is the game as a whole that is being handicapped by this ridiculous bale out amount afforded to clubs every freakin year, so they can live beyond their means and never go bust, therefore never needing to grow their portion of the pie or move to areas that can allow them to flourish. Also hindering expansion into other areas like WA, SA and Bris 2, that may increase the games footprint and support by the magnitude of millions if done right.


Imagine what could be done with all those tens of millions if used in junior development not only in NSW, QLD, but VIC, WA and SA year in year out. We may actually get a non Islander/Maori junior or two come out of VIC to play for the Storm NRL team at long last. But seriously the amount of development officers and programs that we could create with all that money is ridiculous and such a crying shame that we don't. Oh well that sort of development is reserved only for the best run sports like the AFL here in Australia.

clubs bring in the nrl revenue, why shouldn’t they get a decent cut? They get a lower % of the tv revenue than in a lot of sports. Tbf in most sports the top tier competition body is not responsible for grass roots funding, even in afl most of the grass roots funding is paid for by the state league who generate significant revenue in their own right. The question we maybe should be asking is why isn’t the nswrl, QRL etc generating same revenue as wafl, vafl, etc to be funding grass roots better.
 

TheRam

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clubs bring in the nrl revenue, why shouldn’t they get a decent cut? They get a lower % of the tv revenue than in a lot of sports. Tbf in most sports the top tier competition body is not responsible for grass roots funding, even in afl most of the grass roots funding is paid for by the state league who generate significant revenue in their own right. The question we maybe should be asking is why isn’t the nswrl, QRL etc generating same revenue as wafl, vafl, etc to be funding grass roots better.

Because this is RL and the game can't afford the over the top payments given to the clubs without it having a detrimental affect on the growth and well being of the game.

Our sport is in the most competitive football market in the world. AFL in particular is coming to get it big time. It has already encroached into formerly traditionally RL markets incrementally year on year and gaining momentum without any signs of slowing down. RL is riddled with internal jealousy, State and club orientated factions and rivalries. So far there hasn't been anyone strong enough or good enough to rein them in and do what is needed to get us back to steering the ship away from the rocks and into clear water.

Sure the passion is still there for many fans, but I get a sense that it is slowly dying down and eroding somewhat. With the retirement of most of the greatest players of this era in Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater, Burgess and Smith probably after this coming season, it has and will leave a massive hole in the talent pool of the game. Sure the game will replace them, but other then D. Fifita and Haas, who are the once in a generation players coming through right now? Especially play makers of the calibre of Smith, Cronk and Thurston? Also with the incessant controversies with the referees it is having a very negative affect on the fan enjoyment of the game. No other sport I know of makes such a big deal over on field official errors. We constantly are eating our own.

But anyway, the game needs to grow on so many fronts and giving myopic selfish clubs an equal and massive football grant without binding stipulations and KPI's is suicide in this market place. Clubs should not have been given these grants equally and without massive stings attached that would have forced them to grow, relocate or die. The problem at the time the grants were agreed upon D. Grant was bribing the stakeholders to save his own skin and now that he is no longer there who is great enough and strong enough to do what need to be done?

I hope V'landys is, but I'm not holding my breath after the racing knackery debacle.
 

Perth Red

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I have no confidence having watched the V’landys interview we will see proper expansion anytime this decade, we might get a second Brisbane team sometime in next 5 years if we’re lucky. Sydney suburban grounds are going to save the game apparently lol.
 

taipan

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I have no confidence having watched the V’landys interview we will see proper expansion anytime this decade, we might get a second Brisbane team sometime in next 5 years if we’re lucky. Sydney suburban grounds are going to save the game apparently lol.

Your'e not surprised? Well who woulda thought lol.

Refurbished Sydney suburban home grounds are going to give their fan bases (as taxpayers over the decades) they like the AFL mob are probably entitled to.Plus their local junior an incentive to want to play there.And underpin the base of the code in the country's biggest commercial city.If Sydney becomes a rl wasteland,no amount of expansion elsewhere is going to help.That is the sad reality.

V''Landys actually living and playing rl in Wollongong and now living in Sydney 54 years in toto, would have a decent idea of the widespread geography and inadequate transport infrastructure of this city, unlike any other Australian mainland city.
 
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The NRL are there to run the game on behalf of the clubs, not vice versa. The product that earns the money are the clubs and its players. People do not pay money to see V'landys, Greenburg or anyone else employed by the NRL sitting at a desk doing administrative work.
 

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