Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[MugaB]

Im just wondering where clubs gonna get the money to fund junior development? The options appear to be via leagues clubs, sponsorship or revenue distributed from the NRL (media rights and wagering etc).

This is why NRL should centralised junior development and set up a system where the clubs have nothing to do with kids under 18. The league and schools oversee junior development.

Similar to American college system and US sports (and yes the rival code). It’s up to the league to run junior development and make it efficient and effective.

This system has so many more benefits than the current NRL junior system as:

- clubs can focus solely on its NRL team (one reason Melbourne Storm and Broncos have been so consistent)
- one consistent training standard applies across the leagues junior program
- bigger sponsorship deals for the whole program is easier to obtain rather than 17 clubs attempting to get sponsors for their own programs
- less administrative burden as league administration controls the program
- less financial waste as clubs not required to set up and administer programs, staff etc and NRL has full control and oversight of where money goes
- allows all clubs access to quality junior talent regardless of where the best junior talent is located
- ends reliance on a hand full of clubs with good junior pathways to provide talent for the whole competition.

If people want less money going to clubs, then the easiest way to take it away from them would be for NRL to centralise and administer junior programs across the country.

If the current junior system is retained, then NRL just gonna have to give more funding to clubs and sit back and watch some clubs just set fire to the cash they’ve been given.

Penrith have done exceptionally well at junior development. Other clubs are 10 years behind them. Credit to them.

There’s probably only 2 clubs in Sydney that could replicate it - Canterbury and Parramatta. The other 14 clubs will just continue to try and poach juniors from the western Sydney clubs.

Manly just culled their junior system. Do roosters have a decent juniors program? Seems unfair to require the western Sydney clubs to provide the bulk of talent for eastern Sydney clubs to poach

Tigers and Sharks are the other two big ones other than penrith, then souths & dragons in illawarra
Parra and dogs are just buying from these areas, and roosters develop minimal but do enough to keep that in house, they also scout in CC, meaning they aren't developing en masse like panthers, tigers and sharks do...
Manly are basically being fed by Blacktown, and whatever clubs are in their beaches area
Thats Syd in a nutshell,

 

[Munky]

Why does anyone ever bring up the American College system?

It literally relies on unpaid labour of athletes who would be three years into their professional careers in other countries by the time they hit the draft.

Disgusting system.

 

[siv]

Manly just culled their junior system.

?? What happened

 

[Steel Saints]

Has to happen

arlc job is to turn every club into another Penrith

teams that are always successful should be the ones that do the hard yards and invest in juniors

helps keep winning sides together (good for fans) plus gets junior spending up at little cost to the arlc

If every club looks at what Penrith has done, and tries to emulate a similar blueprint, then the comp could expand to 20 teams more quickly than expected.

 

[Canard]

Well getting an extra funding of 200 million over established afl teams sure kind of indicates that

lmao

That's not supported by all the other clubs, so the AFL is in exactly the same situation as the NRL.

 

[Iamback]

Why does anyone ever bring up the American College system?

It literally relies on unpaid labour of athletes who would be three years into their professional careers in other countries by the time they hit the draft.

Disgusting system.

The system we have is a million times better, The fact someone from far North Queensland has the same chances as someone in Sydney. They can live at home and go from there while earning money

 

[Canard]

Im just wondering where clubs gonna get the money to fund junior development? The options appear to be via leagues clubs, sponsorship or revenue distributed from the NRL (media rights and wagering etc).

This is why NRL should centralised junior development and set up a system where the clubs have nothing to do with kids under 18. The league and schools oversee junior development.

Similar to American college system and US sports (and yes the rival code). It’s up to the league to run junior development and make it efficient and effective.

This system has so many more benefits than the current NRL junior system as:

- clubs can focus solely on its NRL team (one reason Melbourne Storm and Broncos have been so consistent)
- one consistent training standard applies across the leagues junior program
- bigger sponsorship deals for the whole program is easier to obtain rather than 17 clubs attempting to get sponsors for their own programs
- less administrative burden as league administration controls the program
- less financial waste as clubs not required to set up and administer programs, staff etc and NRL has full control and oversight of where money goes
- allows all clubs access to quality junior talent regardless of where the best junior talent is located
- ends reliance on a hand full of clubs with good junior pathways to provide talent for the whole competition.

If people want less money going to clubs, then the easiest way to take it away from them would be for NRL to centralise and administer junior programs across the country.

If the current junior system is retained, then NRL just gonna have to give more funding to clubs and sit back and watch some clubs just set fire to the cash they’ve been given.

Penrith have done exceptionally well at junior development. Other clubs are 10 years behind them. Credit to them.

There’s probably only 2 clubs in Sydney that could replicate it - Canterbury and Parramatta. The other 14 clubs will just continue to try and poach juniors from the western Sydney clubs.

Manly just culled their junior system. Do roosters have a decent juniors program? Seems unfair to require the western Sydney clubs to provide the bulk of talent for eastern Sydney clubs to poach

I think a lot of what you propose has genuine merit, but on the contrary, I think Penrith have shown all the Sydney clubs the value of this investment, and the other clubs are way behind in this sense.

It may seem unfair per se, but the Panthers (rightfully) are reaping the rewards of their hard work.

For mine Penrith is an example of where self interest has generated a great outcome, that not only benefits their club but the entire NRL.

 

[Wb1234]

That's not supported by all the other clubs, so the AFL is in exactly the same situation as the NRL.

If it wasn’t supported by clubs it wouldn’t be happening

smith suggested this for rugby league and was howled down by clubs

Are AFL clubs getting a fair deal when it comes to off-field finances? - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Maybe you should use google search before posting such rebuttals it would save me time lol

 

[mongoose]

Plenty is comparable between the codes:

1. Broadcasting deal
2. corporate governance
3. expansion strategy (including new clubs are provided support)
4. governance framework.

Sadly, in all 4 categories I can’t say NRL is better than it’s key rival.

There is a lot that can be compared between the 2 codes but overall I don't think we should be too focussed on comparisons to AFL. League has had to battle with Rugby Union for the last 100 years, where as AFL has no equivalent to Union. It's been uncontested in its heartland for over 150 years.

 

[Wb1234]

If every club looks at what Penrith has done, and tries to emulate a similar blueprint, then the comp could expand to 20 teams more quickly than expected.

That’s where the governing body can be useful for implementing positive change

if clubs who developed players were properly rewarded every club would do it and our junior numbers would skyrocket

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Which clubs aren’t running elite jnr pathways and reserve grade programs? Pretty sure they all do. Difference is some clubs are fortunate enough to be in regions with high participation rates. That’s just good luck, not more investment.

Um, no, that's good planning and management. You put teams where you predict participants will be.

 

[Maximus]

Phew no more super league for at least three years

Nothing to do with money though, right @Iamback

 

[Iamback]

Nothing to do with money though, right @Iamback

I take it you didn't read the article?

This deal was submitted in Late September, We sit in almost mid November and no deal.

If it was money it would of been signed on the spot.

From the article

“Do we want players to be pot plants where it’s this ‘shut up and play’ type attitude?” Newton said.

“The fact is, by players advocating for improvements in their terms and conditions, that absolutely has an impact on the future of the game.

“We want players to be going to rugby league because we can say (the NRL has) the best remuneration, the best support, the best services, the best wellbeing and education programs and the best opportunity to not just be good players, but good people.

“And then when they transition to retirement they have the best protections in place.”

Goes with the Wade Graham article a couple of months ago saying it is control of the retirement fund etc that the players want

 

[Maximus]

I take it you didn't read the article?

This deal was submitted in Late September, We sit in almost mid November and no deal.

If it was money it would of been signed on the spot.

From the article

“Do we want players to be pot plants where it’s this ‘shut up and play’ type attitude?” Newton said.

“The fact is, by players advocating for improvements in their terms and conditions, that absolutely has an impact on the future of the game.

“We want players to be going to rugby league because we can say (the NRL has) the best remuneration, the best support, the best services, the best wellbeing and education programs and the best opportunity to not just be good players, but good people.

“And then when they transition to retirement they have the best protections in place.”

Goes with the Wade Graham article a couple of months ago saying it is control of the retirement fund etc that the players want

They are being offered record dollars and still want 2% more.

 

[Iamback]

They are being offered record dollars and still want 2% more.

Where has this been said? I posted the quote from Newton the mentioned conditions

 

[Perth Red]

Um, no, that's good planning and management. You put teams where you predict participants will be.

No, it’s socio economics. reality is RL is still seen by and large as a working clas game. Not every region is working class!

what that means is some clubs will be based in high participation areas and have more cream to bring into their elite pathways systems. for Clubs without that They have to get from other areas.
end of day penrith can only have 25 or so players in their sg ball team, theres nothing wrong with kids who aren’t in that 25 looking for opportunities elsewhere.

arlc job to increase participation, nrl clubs job to take the best and turn them into first graders. Wherever they may come from.

 

[bad boy bubby]

No, it’s socio economics. reality is RL is still seen by and large as a working clas game. Not every region is working class!

what that means is some clubs will be based in high participation areas and have more cream to bring into their elite pathways systems. for Clubs without that They have to get from other areas.
end of day penrith can only have 25 or so players in their sg ball team, theres nothing wrong with kids who aren’t in that 25 looking for opportunities elsewhere.

arlc job to increase participation, nrl clubs job to take the best and turn them into first graders. Wherever they may come from.

To what areas in Sydney do you determine as "working class" pre-tell?
Eastern Suburbs? The Roosters have been developing the CC for a while now because of this.
Balmain?
The Tigers have the Campbelltown area to compensate.
Many Warringah? The Northern Beaches is full of working class. A lot of them.play Union The North Sydney, North Shore region do not so.
Every other club has "working class" areas.
And while we are at it, what's Melbourne's excuse for lack of juniors coming through?
Plenty of working class areas down there.
Even Perth bring more juniors into the NRL than the Storm, and they dont even have a team...

 

[Iamback]

To what areas in Sydney do you determine as "working class" pre-tell?
Eastern Suburbs? The Roosters have been developing the CC for a while now because of this.
Balmain?
The Tigers have the Campbelltown to compensate.
Many Warringah? The Northern Beaches is full of working class. The North Sydney, North Shore region do not so.
Every other club has "working class" areas.
And while we are at it, what's Melbourne's excuse for lack of juniors coming through?
Plenty of working class areas down there.
Even Perth bring more juniors into the NRL than the Storm, and they dont even have a team...

Every club including Penrith have imports in their Junior League teams, No shame in the AFL troll not knowing that though

 

[AlwaysGreen]

No, it’s socio economics. reality is RL is still seen by and large as a working clas game. Not every region is working class!

what that means is some clubs will be based in high participation areas and have more cream to bring into their elite pathways systems. for Clubs without that They have to get from other areas.
end of day penrith can only have 25 or so players in their sg ball team, theres nothing wrong with kids who aren’t in that 25 looking for opportunities elsewhere.

arlc job to increase participation, nrl clubs job to take the best and turn them into first graders. Wherever they may come from.

So that's just the usual blah blah blah without a lol or afl mention.

Why were Penrith given a team in 1967? Because it was seen that it was needed because league was played there. Ditto Cronulla. Ditto Canberra. Ditto Illawarra. Ditto Brisbane. Ditto North Queensland. Ditto Auckland. Ditto Gold Coast. Ditto Dolphins/Brisbane again.

You'll notice there is one team not mentioned there. The team that has no juniors and continues to take but not contribute to the junior pool.

Your small, selfish brain fails to realise that you put teams where kids are playing And those kids grow up to be first graders. That is why the ruling body, whatever guise it is made decision to put teams in these areas - because they built where they people are.

 

[Canard]

So that's just the usual blah blah blah without a lol or afl mention.

Why were Penrith given a team in 1967? Because it was seen that it was needed because league was played there. Ditto Cronulla. Ditto Canberra. Ditto Illawarra. Ditto Brisbane. Ditto North Queensland. Ditto Auckland. Ditto Gold Coast. Ditto Dolphins/Brisbane again.

You'll notice there is one team not mentioned there. The team that has no juniors and continues to take but not contribute to the junior pool.

Your small, selfish brain fails to realise that you put teams where kids are playing And those kids grow up to be first graders. That is why the ruling body, whatever guise it is made decision to put teams in these areas - because they built where they people are.

Time to expand beyond our traditional areas though, or the game will become too niche and too limited.

The extra revenue generated by expanding our footprint can be used to develop our existing and enhance our existing grass roots, whilst developing a new market.