Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Canard]

On the initiative, aimed at securing money for the code and showing it to a new audience. No new business has guarantees ,but you spend time both here(via the web) and overseas iperson to ensure as best as possible it is a success.
English SL is preaching to the converted, in fact some union players are involved in rl in the small U.S rl. comp.
If you are stating definitively" it doesn't have much substance to it" then you are either fully au fait with the actual negotiations or just voicing an out of left field opinion.
The NRL doesn't have to spell out now what is in place and/or what is still being sorted out.

We don't know about overseas acts till venues & tickets become available.We hear of plans but that's generally it.

This is mostly unrelated gibberish, to be clear I'm saying why spend money on trying to attract failed College footballers and why not on Union or ESL players?

What is our strategy for getting failed NFL players into our game? Why would they choose League, a game they don't know, haven't trained for and have zero passion for, over CFL, Arena Football or the XFL?

This is less thought out T-boon brain fart.

We would rightly mock any other code that is making claims like this.

 

[Pneuma]

This is mostly unrelated gibberish, to be clear I'm saying why spend money on trying to attract failed College footballers and why not on Union or ESL players?

What is our strategy for getting failed NFL players into our game? Why would they choose League, a game they don't know, haven't trained for and have zero passion for, over CFL, Arena Football or the XFL?

This is less thought out T-boon brain fart.

We would rightly mock any other code that is making claims like this.

Happy Monday!

 

[taipan]

You also have to look at the economy of this whole thing too in terms of getting these players from the US.

Current exchange rate is 65 cents to a dollar USD or 1 USD to 1.50 AUD roughly. That’s a bit low generally so you would average it out at maybe low to mid 70’s. Then you have to factor the amount of money thrown over there compared to here.

So essentially we have to convince blokes to give up on their NFL dreams straight away (you couldn’t get them in their mid 20’s for example) and go play a sport they have never played before on the other side of the world. Money wise, considering the unfavourable exchange rate, you have to be paying them what at least $150k USD so $225k AUD to even get somewhat of a look in (and that would probably be very conservative considering that they have college degrees they can utilise and they can also go and wait it out in minor leagues and still be in the shop window so to speak)

So with all this in mind, how likely is it that you are going to get any substantial traction on this player idea. You have to pay more upfront on a bloke who has to adapt to a new game in order to succeed. Whereas you could raid international union competitions (as an example) for lower costs (international sevens players are getting paid like $100k or slightly more a year) and a greater chance of success considering they already have the base skills.

Just a summary with what I've read and watched it "ain't all rosy nn the U.S..Re the U.S economy inflation raging over there ATM, debt around the $30TU.S. mark.Congress have ben debating the limit over the past few days.Huge sums being spent in Ukraine and the so far up to est 5m illegals coming over the Southern Border.They have been given( in a lot of cases phones), fed & housed.Biden wants to excuse student debt.Food prices are going through the roof, as the country is not fuel independent.They have had banks close, some businesses shut down and high profile stores cutting back.OK got that off my chest.Even I.T organisations have retrenched.
And who has been hit hardest you may ask, the working and middle class.

The PVL trek involved $200m over 5 years that no doubt is Aussie currency.Now what that covers has not been announced.I understand the Aus $ v U.S $ comparison.

Absolutely agree with you, a young guy's dream is to play NFL ,and until he knows he has zero chance he will keep aiming for that goal.
IMO we don't have to convince people who hold that dream, because of the sheer numbers of young men coming out of college.Only a small percentage ever get to fulfil that dream.Hell there are decent numbers playing"crouch, touch, pause, engage some of whom have or are playing RL in the small competition that exists.And yes once again I agree with raiding union if need be.

Then again IMO the obvious plan would be to have trials for those interested over there and eg the offer of Tertiary scholarships in Qld and NSW with those considered by NRL scouts as to be worthy of investment ,just like they did with Sualli (with a union background here).I don't know whether some of the $40m pa outlay also covers tings ;like trials etc.
I'll sum up my usual lengthy rant by saying if you have a code you believe is entertaining and you have an opportunity to help maximise the revenue of said code ,and increase it's popularity (thank you Tina Turner),and don't want to continually hide it in your own backyard, you promote it(a simply understood code) to bigly countries that like & play contact sports .

More so as it appears it is not going to effect expanding our code in our wee backyard to 18 teams(even if it means shock, horror it means Perff).

 

[taipan]

This is mostly unrelated gibberish, to be clear I'm saying why spend money on trying to attract failed College footballers and why not on Union or ESL players?

What is our strategy for getting failed NFL players into our game? Why would they choose League, a game they don't know, haven't trained for and have zero passion for, over CFL, Arena Football or the XFL?

This is less thought out T-boon brain fart.

We would rightly mock any other code that is making claims like this.

Coming from you I'd expect nothing less.
Already mentioned some have played or are playing in the small rl comp over there.
Did I suggest it was a faint accompli? Nothing ventured nothing gained.

I've spelt out the fact huge numbers come out of college each year in another thread, don't want to waste more time I'll never get back.

Where has the code in the past actually got off their backside and promoted the code long term overseas ?


I'm big enough to take the verbals if any venture fails , not like the mockers who go into hiding if it succeeds.Trust you'll follow suit.

 

[Canard]

Coming from you I'd expect nothing less.
Already mentioned some have played or are playing in the small rl comp over there.
Did I suggest it was a faint accompli? Nothing ventured nothing gained.

I've spelt out the fact huge numbers come out of college each year in another thread, don't want to waste more time I'll never get back.

Where has the code in the past actually got off their backside and promoted the code long term overseas ?


I'm big enough to take the verbals if any venture fails , not like the mockers who go into hiding if it succeeds.Trust you'll follow suit.

We are spending $200M to attract people playing amateur RL in USA?

That's hilarious.

I mean they already no what Rugby League is, and clearly would know what the NRL is. You would not need to spend anything to attract there interest.

Playing a game or two overseas every year for a few years isn't "promoting the code" long term.

 

[Wb1234]

This is peak LU where cowboys fans are questioning expansion into America

 

[Canard]

This is peak LU where cowboys fans are questioning expansion into America

Why? And what expansion?

 

[taipan]

We are spending $200M to attract people playing amateur RL in USA?

That's hilarious.

I mean they already no what Rugby League is, and clearly would know what the NRL is. You would not need to spend anything to attract there interest.

Playing a game or two overseas every year for a few years isn't "promoting the code" long term.

We are spending $200m over 5 years to firstly get a decent amount of revenue from the wagering market.That is not a secret.Every U.S. dollar is worth more Australian in revenue.It's hardly hit and run.
No offering a different sport, with the opportunity to earn more in this country initially.


They already know ,that's really hilarious .Name how many times the code has been on ESPN and Fox ,and when it was how many people think its just rugby union(which is played in quite a few colleges).

Playing the game there is also to show the betting promoters it live and is to be promoted at around the same time I understand in Vegas as a title fight and a UFC bash.When the media is hovering in numbers.

If just playing the game and running back home was all there is to it,I'd be the first to mock it ala beanpole ball in China with a bus that still hasn't arrived at the venue.

Yankee land is the home of promotion.

 

[Pneuma]

We are spending $200M to attract people playing amateur RL in USA?

That's hilarious.

I mean they already no what Rugby League is, and clearly would know what the NRL is. You would not need to spend anything to attract there interest.

Playing a game or two overseas every year for a few years isn't "promoting the code" long term.

Mr Positivity strikes again. Are you the Great Dane’s love child?

 

[Canard]

We are spending $200m over 5 years to firstly get a decent amount of revenue from the wagering market.That is not a secret.Every U.S. dollar is worth more Australian in revenue.It's hardly hit and run.
No offering a different sport, with the opportunity to earn more in this country initially.


They already know ,that's really hilarious .Name how many times the code has been on ESPN and Fox ,and when it was how many people think its just rugby union(which is played in quite a few colleges).

Playing the game there is also to show the betting promoters it live and is to be promoted at around the same time I understand in Vegas as a title fight and a UFC bash.When the media is hovering in numbers.

If just playing the game and running back home was all there is to it,I'd be the first to mock it ala beanpole ball in China with a bus that still hasn't arrived at the venue.

Yankee land is the home of promotion.

ESPN and things like Sportscenter are Boomer tier today's kids.

Other then spending a shitload of money we could use elsewhere, what are we proposing to do in the US market?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

As previously stated the only people who have said $200m are 'staff writers' from news ltd.

 

[mozza91]

As previously stated the only people who have said $200m are 'staff writers' from news ltd.

And PR

 

[Wb1234]

As previously stated the only people who have said $200m are 'staff writers' from news ltd.

I’ve posted links to loads of articles and the same people just ignore them because it doesn’t suit their narrative

they see one comment about the nrl spending 200 million and believe it

if the nrl was spending that much money it would be more then hosting two games of rugby league a year

unless the nrl plans on giving every player and an unlimited pokie stipend

 

[Wb1234]

And PR

Yeh just imagine if the nrl took that 200 million and invested it in perff

 

[Storm80]

Yeh just imagine if the nrl took that 200 million and invested it in perff

At least you’d bump up media rights deal significantly to compete with AFLs deal and growing ratings and national interest.

This pie in the sky horse shit about Rugby League getting even a slither of the US market is hilarious. Play two games a year on the same weekend in Vegas and think it’ll convert people to bet on league. They aren’t going to bet on something they don’t love nor understand.

Have a look at the article below, particularly the graphs which even the dense-est types on here should be able to comprehend.

The NFL Is the Most Popular Sport to Bet On

New VIP+ Analysis: A detailed look at which sports mobile gamblers place wagers on, and what makes the NFL the most popular.

variety.com

The more people love and understand a sport, the more they are likely to bet on it. People in USA confuse rugby with league - they even confuse Aussie Rules with league ffs.

Rugby League has 700 participants in USA. The AFL 2000. There’s 23,000 people playing curling ffs. The USA couldn’t give any less of a f**k about NRL or AFL if they tried.

They will never love any Australian sport as much as NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, college sports and soccer. Cricket has a chance to grow in USA due to large immigration from India. And soccer is largely popular due to Latin American population.

PVL can talk up wagering on NRL in USA as the promised land, but it’s absolute horse shit. It won’t be anywhere near the money spinner people on here think it may be. Sure they’ll probably get a few degenerate gamblers punting on NRL just cause they up late at night or see an easy win here and there - but as far as the vast majority of punters in USA, forget about it. They won’t bet on it cause they don’t love it, don’t understand it nor watch it live. You’ll also never get the casual punter that watches their local team every game and puts a bet on them for fun.

Ask yourself seriously, if you were a sports book or casino in USA - and you have everyone captured by NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, motor sports, college sports and martial arts … Why in gods name would you pay ludicrous sums in product fees to an Australian code and then have to spend even more money to educate every punter wtf rugby league is, what the rules are and where the value bets are?? You’d be a an absolute moron of a bookmaker to do that when you already got 330m yanks already brainwashed by USA sports.

It would be akin to the USA curling league coming to Australia and saying “hey there’s billions in Australian sports wagering. And we, the USA curling league, are coming to Australia to get a foot hold in the market and cash in on the sports betting boom… oh and we’ve got Don Lane to spruik it for us”. What idiot bookmarker in Australia would pay product fees for a product like curling that no one in Australia gives a flying f**k about.

Now, let’s get back on topic. The $500m PVL pissed away in media rights. Half a billion dollars ripped out the heart of the game due to giving News Ltd and nine sweet heart deals and being far to inexperienced a sports administrator to realise that:

1. media rights is where all football codes around the world get the vast majority of revenue
2. the AFL were going to out smart and out flank the NRL and out negotiate to the tune of half a billion dollars.

All PVL knows is wagering in the context of horse racing. It’s the life blood of racing. They can’t survive without it. It’s why racing still exists - wagering. They don’t have “real” media rights deals in the thoroughbred or harness racing industries. And instead of focusing on securing huge media rights deals by expanding into Perth, Adelaide and south Brisbane and Ipswich - well we now have this waste of time scheme to take over Las Vegas and the USA betting market.

$20m is what they are talking about from wagering in USA annually. It’s f**king peanuts compared to the $500m over 5 years they lost out in media rights. At $20m a year from wagering, it will take the NRL 25 years to recoup the $500m lost in media rights.

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

www.foxsports.com.au

Even PVL displays how little he understand the sports wagering market. PVL believes “Basketball is the No.1 sports betting product in Australia because it has so many exotic bets. We’re hoping we can start some time this year, and we’ve got a number of partners we’re talking to”.

Jesus Christ PVL it ain’t the exotic bets, it’s that Australians love playing basketball and NBA. They bet on what they love, hence why NRL and AFL also dominate the Australian sports betting landscape too.

The fact PVL thinks its “exotic bets” that makes Australians throw money at NBA is hilarious to me. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of what motivates humans to gamble. Which is kind of absurd when its coming from the mouth of someone running the NSW racing industry.

Honestly, the low level of IQ displayed on here by a majority of posters who just eat up everything PVL has to say is so hilarious. You dumbasses keep dumbassing though. It’s funny to keep reading to dribble you keep typing out. Champagne comedy.

 

[Iamback]

At least you’d bump up media rights deal significantly to compete with AFLs deal and growing ratings and national interest.

This pie in the sky horse shit about Rugby League getting even a slither of the US market is hilarious. Play two games a year on the same weekend in Vegas and think it’ll convert people to bet on league. They aren’t going to bet on something they don’t love nor understand.

Have a look at the article below, particularly the graphs which even the dense-est types on here should be able to comprehend.

The NFL Is the Most Popular Sport to Bet On

New VIP+ Analysis: A detailed look at which sports mobile gamblers place wagers on, and what makes the NFL the most popular.

variety.com

The more people love and understand a sport, the more they are likely to bet on it. People in USA confuse rugby with league - they even confuse Aussie Rules with league ffs.

Rugby League has 700 participants in USA. The AFL 2000. There’s 23,000 people playing curling ffs. The USA couldn’t give any less of a f**k about NRL or AFL if they tried.

They will never love any Australian sport as much as NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, college sports and soccer. Cricket has a chance to grow in USA due to large immigration from India. And soccer is largely popular due to Latin American population.

PVL can talk up wagering on NRL in USA as the promised land, but it’s absolute horse shit. It won’t be anywhere near the money spinner people on here think it may be. Sure they’ll probably get a few degenerate gamblers punting on NRL just cause they up late at night or see an easy win here and there - but as far as the vast majority of punters in USA, forget about it. They won’t bet on it cause they don’t love it, don’t understand it nor watch it live. You’ll also never get the casual punter that watches their local team every game and puts a bet on them for fun.

Ask yourself seriously, if you were a sports book or casino in USA - and you have everyone captured by NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, motor sports, college sports and martial arts … Why in gods name would you pay ludicrous sums in product fees to an Australian code and then have to spend even more money to educate every punter wtf rugby league is, what the rules are and where the value bets are?? You’d be a an absolute moron of a bookmaker to do that when you already got 330m yanks already brainwashed by USA sports.

It would be akin to the USA curling league coming to Australia and saying “hey there’s billions in Australian sports wagering. And we, the USA curling league, are coming to Australia to get a foot hold in the market and cash in on the sports betting boom… oh and we’ve got Don Lane to spruik it for us”. What idiot bookmarker in Australia would pay product fees for a product like curling that no one in Australia gives a flying f**k about.

Now, let’s get back on topic. The $500m PVL pissed away in media rights. Half a billion dollars ripped out the heart of the game due to giving News Ltd and nine sweet heart deals and being far to inexperienced a sports administrator to realise that:

1. media rights is where all football codes around the world get the vast majority of revenue
2. the AFL were going to out smart and out flank the NRL and out negotiate to the tune of half a billion dollars.

All PVL knows is wagering in the context of horse racing. It’s the life blood of racing. They can’t survive without it. It’s why racing still exists - wagering. They don’t have “real” media rights deals in the thoroughbred or harness racing industries. And instead of focusing on securing huge media rights deals by expanding into Perth, Adelaide and south Brisbane and Ipswich - well we now have this waste of time scheme to take over Las Vegas and the USA betting market.

$20m is what they are talking about from wagering in USA annually. It’s f**king peanuts compared to the $500m over 5 years they lost out in media rights. At $20m a year from wagering, it will take the NRL 25 years to recoup the $500m lost in media rights.

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

www.foxsports.com.au

Even PVL displays how little he understand the sports wagering market. PVL believes “Basketball is the No.1 sports betting product in Australia because it has so many exotic bets. We’re hoping we can start some time this year, and we’ve got a number of partners we’re talking to”.

Jesus Christ PVL it ain’t the exotic bets, it’s that Australians love playing basketball and NBA. They bet on what they love, hence why NRL and AFL also dominate the Australian sports betting landscape too.

The fact PVL thinks its “exotic bets” that makes Australians throw money at NBA is hilarious to me. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of what motivates humans to gamble. Which is kind of absurd when its coming from the mouth of someone running the NSW racing industry.

Honestly, the low level of IQ displayed on here by a majority of posters who just eat up everything PVL has to say is so hilarious. You dumbasses keep dumbassing though. It’s funny to keep reading to dribble you keep typing out. Champagne comedy.

The Alt is back

Ahh yes the old $500m lost on TV rights with zero evidence to it

Now on to your dribble, IF a Big the NRL gets $20m from gambling. Won't the gamblers also watch on TV? Which also increases TV revenue

 

[Perth Red]

And PR

I actually said I thought it was bs, but whatever

 

[Perth Red]

The Alt is back

Ahh yes the old $500m lost on TV rights with zero evidence to it

Now on to your dribble, IF a Big the NRL gets $20m from gambling. Won't the gamblers also watch on TV? Which also increases TV revenue

$395 mill v $530mill. Do the maths!

They won’t get $20mill. They get $80mill in aus from a billion $’s gambled on nrl from a fanbase of around 1million people. How much do you think a few thousand curious yanks sat up at 2am are going to make the game?

 

[Iamback]

$395 mill v $530mill. Do the maths!

They won’t get $20mill. They get $80mill in aus from a billion $’s gambled on nrl from a fanbase of around 1million people. How much do you think a few thousand curious yanks sat up at 2am are going to make the game?

Apples and Oranges.

An opposition sport getting extra in 2031 doesn't mean the current deal wasn't maximised.

Take FTA,

Ch9 pay about $1m a game, Particular games like Sunday's would lose money on that investment.

So to say money was left behind is pure guesswork.

They spent $60b on gambling over there, Far more then here. How many of that is spent on OS sport is the question.

The betting companies know that answer and I am sure ARLC know too. Whether those same punters fork out on NRL is the big unknown

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Talk about in for the kill.

"Peter V’landys’ dream of a $20 million Everest is set to come true in October after slot holders agreed to a deal to run Australia’s richest race for the eye-watering prize pool.

"The prizemoney increase is set to be announced within days, slot holders and owners confirmed to this masthead. The Everest will become the second richest race in the world, behind only the Saudi Cup."

And meanwhile Vic Racing are decreasing their prize monies and releasing statements saying things like " we`re just going to concentrate on being the best that we can be". That`s a white flag if there ever was one.
And for those who doubt that this bloke doesn`t want to do the same thing to fumbleball, wake up and smell the roses. Go Pete, sic `em.