Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Phil McGrawhan]

At least you’d bump up media rights deal significantly to compete with AFLs deal and growing ratings and national interest.

This pie in the sky horse shit about Rugby League getting even a slither of the US market is hilarious. Play two games a year on the same weekend in Vegas and think it’ll convert people to bet on league. They aren’t going to bet on something they don’t love nor understand.

Have a look at the article below, particularly the graphs which even the dense-est types on here should be able to comprehend.

The NFL Is the Most Popular Sport to Bet On

New VIP+ Analysis: A detailed look at which sports mobile gamblers place wagers on, and what makes the NFL the most popular.

variety.com

The more people love and understand a sport, the more they are likely to bet on it. People in USA confuse rugby with league - they even confuse Aussie Rules with league ffs.

Rugby League has 700 participants in USA. The AFL 2000. There’s 23,000 people playing curling ffs. The USA couldn’t give any less of a f**k about NRL or AFL if they tried.

They will never love any Australian sport as much as NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, college sports and soccer. Cricket has a chance to grow in USA due to large immigration from India. And soccer is largely popular due to Latin American population.

PVL can talk up wagering on NRL in USA as the promised land, but it’s absolute horse shit. It won’t be anywhere near the money spinner people on here think it may be. Sure they’ll probably get a few degenerate gamblers punting on NRL just cause they up late at night or see an easy win here and there - but as far as the vast majority of punters in USA, forget about it. They won’t bet on it cause they don’t love it, don’t understand it nor watch it live. You’ll also never get the casual punter that watches their local team every game and puts a bet on them for fun.

Ask yourself seriously, if you were a sports book or casino in USA - and you have everyone captured by NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, motor sports, college sports and martial arts … Why in gods name would you pay ludicrous sums in product fees to an Australian code and then have to spend even more money to educate every punter wtf rugby league is, what the rules are and where the value bets are?? You’d be a an absolute moron of a bookmaker to do that when you already got 330m yanks already brainwashed by USA sports.

It would be akin to the USA curling league coming to Australia and saying “hey there’s billions in Australian sports wagering. And we, the USA curling league, are coming to Australia to get a foot hold in the market and cash in on the sports betting boom… oh and we’ve got Don Lane to spruik it for us”. What idiot bookmarker in Australia would pay product fees for a product like curling that no one in Australia gives a flying f**k about.

Now, let’s get back on topic. The $500m PVL pissed away in media rights. Half a billion dollars ripped out the heart of the game due to giving News Ltd and nine sweet heart deals and being far to inexperienced a sports administrator to realise that:

1. media rights is where all football codes around the world get the vast majority of revenue
2. the AFL were going to out smart and out flank the NRL and out negotiate to the tune of half a billion dollars.

All PVL knows is wagering in the context of horse racing. It’s the life blood of racing. They can’t survive without it. It’s why racing still exists - wagering. They don’t have “real” media rights deals in the thoroughbred or harness racing industries. And instead of focusing on securing huge media rights deals by expanding into Perth, Adelaide and south Brisbane and Ipswich - well we now have this waste of time scheme to take over Las Vegas and the USA betting market.

$20m is what they are talking about from wagering in USA annually. It’s f**king peanuts compared to the $500m over 5 years they lost out in media rights. At $20m a year from wagering, it will take the NRL 25 years to recoup the $500m lost in media rights.

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

www.foxsports.com.au

Even PVL displays how little he understand the sports wagering market. PVL believes “Basketball is the No.1 sports betting product in Australia because it has so many exotic bets. We’re hoping we can start some time this year, and we’ve got a number of partners we’re talking to”.

Jesus Christ PVL it ain’t the exotic bets, it’s that Australians love playing basketball and NBA. They bet on what they love, hence why NRL and AFL also dominate the Australian sports betting landscape too.

The fact PVL thinks its “exotic bets” that makes Australians throw money at NBA is hilarious to me. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of what motivates humans to gamble. Which is kind of absurd when its coming from the mouth of someone running the NSW racing industry.

Honestly, the low level of IQ displayed on here by a majority of posters who just eat up everything PVL has to say is so hilarious. You dumbasses keep dumbassing though. It’s funny to keep reading to dribble you keep typing out. Champagne comedy.

2000 fumble players in the USA .
lol just lol
posting crap like that shows that you are a fumblefan .

The amount of lies spread about AFL overseas is laughable .
but you nuttters just keep repeating them .

yrs ago some clown posted there was 110,000 fumble players in other countries .

the whole sport is built on lies .

 

[Pneuma]

At least you’d bump up media rights deal significantly to compete with AFLs deal and growing ratings and national interest.

This pie in the sky horse shit about Rugby League getting even a slither of the US market is hilarious. Play two games a year on the same weekend in Vegas and think it’ll convert people to bet on league. They aren’t going to bet on something they don’t love nor understand.

Have a look at the article below, particularly the graphs which even the dense-est types on here should be able to comprehend.

The NFL Is the Most Popular Sport to Bet On

New VIP+ Analysis: A detailed look at which sports mobile gamblers place wagers on, and what makes the NFL the most popular.

variety.com

The more people love and understand a sport, the more they are likely to bet on it. People in USA confuse rugby with league - they even confuse Aussie Rules with league ffs.

Rugby League has 700 participants in USA. The AFL 2000. There’s 23,000 people playing curling ffs. The USA couldn’t give any less of a f**k about NRL or AFL if they tried.

They will never love any Australian sport as much as NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, college sports and soccer. Cricket has a chance to grow in USA due to large immigration from India. And soccer is largely popular due to Latin American population.

PVL can talk up wagering on NRL in USA as the promised land, but it’s absolute horse shit. It won’t be anywhere near the money spinner people on here think it may be. Sure they’ll probably get a few degenerate gamblers punting on NRL just cause they up late at night or see an easy win here and there - but as far as the vast majority of punters in USA, forget about it. They won’t bet on it cause they don’t love it, don’t understand it nor watch it live. You’ll also never get the casual punter that watches their local team every game and puts a bet on them for fun.

Ask yourself seriously, if you were a sports book or casino in USA - and you have everyone captured by NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, motor sports, college sports and martial arts … Why in gods name would you pay ludicrous sums in product fees to an Australian code and then have to spend even more money to educate every punter wtf rugby league is, what the rules are and where the value bets are?? You’d be a an absolute moron of a bookmaker to do that when you already got 330m yanks already brainwashed by USA sports.

It would be akin to the USA curling league coming to Australia and saying “hey there’s billions in Australian sports wagering. And we, the USA curling league, are coming to Australia to get a foot hold in the market and cash in on the sports betting boom… oh and we’ve got Don Lane to spruik it for us”. What idiot bookmarker in Australia would pay product fees for a product like curling that no one in Australia gives a flying f**k about.

Now, let’s get back on topic. The $500m PVL pissed away in media rights. Half a billion dollars ripped out the heart of the game due to giving News Ltd and nine sweet heart deals and being far to inexperienced a sports administrator to realise that:

1. media rights is where all football codes around the world get the vast majority of revenue
2. the AFL were going to out smart and out flank the NRL and out negotiate to the tune of half a billion dollars.

All PVL knows is wagering in the context of horse racing. It’s the life blood of racing. They can’t survive without it. It’s why racing still exists - wagering. They don’t have “real” media rights deals in the thoroughbred or harness racing industries. And instead of focusing on securing huge media rights deals by expanding into Perth, Adelaide and south Brisbane and Ipswich - well we now have this waste of time scheme to take over Las Vegas and the USA betting market.

$20m is what they are talking about from wagering in USA annually. It’s f**king peanuts compared to the $500m over 5 years they lost out in media rights. At $20m a year from wagering, it will take the NRL 25 years to recoup the $500m lost in media rights.

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

www.foxsports.com.au

Even PVL displays how little he understand the sports wagering market. PVL believes “Basketball is the No.1 sports betting product in Australia because it has so many exotic bets. We’re hoping we can start some time this year, and we’ve got a number of partners we’re talking to”.

Jesus Christ PVL it ain’t the exotic bets, it’s that Australians love playing basketball and NBA. They bet on what they love, hence why NRL and AFL also dominate the Australian sports betting landscape too.

The fact PVL thinks its “exotic bets” that makes Australians throw money at NBA is hilarious to me. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of what motivates humans to gamble. Which is kind of absurd when its coming from the mouth of someone running the NSW racing industry.

Honestly, the low level of IQ displayed on here by a majority of posters who just eat up everything PVL has to say is so hilarious. You dumbasses keep dumbassing though. It’s funny to keep reading to dribble you keep typing out. Champagne comedy.

Potato

 

[Pneuma]

2000 fumble players in the USA .
lol just lol
posting crap like that shows that you are a fumblefan .

The amount of lies spread about AFL overseas is laughable .
but you nuttters just keep repeating them .

yrs ago some clown posted there was 110,000 fumble players in other countries .

the whole sport is built on lies .

Mate this poster is Perth Reds daughter

 

[Pneuma]

double

 

[Bukowski]

Talk about in for the kill.

"Peter V’landys’ dream of a $20 million Everest is set to come true in October after slot holders agreed to a deal to run Australia’s richest race for the eye-watering prize pool.

"The prizemoney increase is set to be announced within days, slot holders and owners confirmed to this masthead. The Everest will become the second richest race in the world, behind only the Saudi Cup."

And meanwhile Vic Racing are decreasing their prize monies and releasing statements saying things like " we`re just going to concentrate on being the best that we can be". That`s a white flag if there ever was one.
And for those who doubt that this bloke doesn`t want to do the same thing to fumbleball, wake up and smell the roses. Go Pete, sic `em.

It's time he took them on then. Time to go national.

 

[mozza91]

2000 fumble players in the USA .
lol just lol
posting crap like that shows that you are a fumblefan .

The amount of lies spread about AFL overseas is laughable .
but you nuttters just keep repeating them .

yrs ago some clown posted there was 110,000 fumble players in other countries .

the whole sport is built on lies .

If it’s possible to take anything with less than a grain of salt it’s the AFL’s participation figures. Lies upon lies.

 

[Desert Qlder]

AFL invented America.

 

[Fangs]

2000 fumble players in the USA .

That is at least 20-30 buses to move those 2000 players between games.

 

[mozza91]

AFL invented America.

In the beginning AFL created the heavens and the earth.

 

[Vibing]

At least you’d bump up media rights deal significantly to compete with AFLs deal and growing ratings and national interest.

This pie in the sky horse shit about Rugby League getting even a slither of the US market is hilarious. Play two games a year on the same weekend in Vegas and think it’ll convert people to bet on league. They aren’t going to bet on something they don’t love nor understand.

Have a look at the article below, particularly the graphs which even the dense-est types on here should be able to comprehend.

The NFL Is the Most Popular Sport to Bet On

New VIP+ Analysis: A detailed look at which sports mobile gamblers place wagers on, and what makes the NFL the most popular.

variety.com

The more people love and understand a sport, the more they are likely to bet on it. People in USA confuse rugby with league - they even confuse Aussie Rules with league ffs.

Rugby League has 700 participants in USA. The AFL 2000. There’s 23,000 people playing curling ffs. The USA couldn’t give any less of a f**k about NRL or AFL if they tried.

They will never love any Australian sport as much as NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, college sports and soccer. Cricket has a chance to grow in USA due to large immigration from India. And soccer is largely popular due to Latin American population.

PVL can talk up wagering on NRL in USA as the promised land, but it’s absolute horse shit. It won’t be anywhere near the money spinner people on here think it may be. Sure they’ll probably get a few degenerate gamblers punting on NRL just cause they up late at night or see an easy win here and there - but as far as the vast majority of punters in USA, forget about it. They won’t bet on it cause they don’t love it, don’t understand it nor watch it live. You’ll also never get the casual punter that watches their local team every game and puts a bet on them for fun.

Ask yourself seriously, if you were a sports book or casino in USA - and you have everyone captured by NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, motor sports, college sports and martial arts … Why in gods name would you pay ludicrous sums in product fees to an Australian code and then have to spend even more money to educate every punter wtf rugby league is, what the rules are and where the value bets are?? You’d be a an absolute moron of a bookmaker to do that when you already got 330m yanks already brainwashed by USA sports.

It would be akin to the USA curling league coming to Australia and saying “hey there’s billions in Australian sports wagering. And we, the USA curling league, are coming to Australia to get a foot hold in the market and cash in on the sports betting boom… oh and we’ve got Don Lane to spruik it for us”. What idiot bookmarker in Australia would pay product fees for a product like curling that no one in Australia gives a flying f**k about.

Now, let’s get back on topic. The $500m PVL pissed away in media rights. Half a billion dollars ripped out the heart of the game due to giving News Ltd and nine sweet heart deals and being far to inexperienced a sports administrator to realise that:

1. media rights is where all football codes around the world get the vast majority of revenue
2. the AFL were going to out smart and out flank the NRL and out negotiate to the tune of half a billion dollars.

All PVL knows is wagering in the context of horse racing. It’s the life blood of racing. They can’t survive without it. It’s why racing still exists - wagering. They don’t have “real” media rights deals in the thoroughbred or harness racing industries. And instead of focusing on securing huge media rights deals by expanding into Perth, Adelaide and south Brisbane and Ipswich - well we now have this waste of time scheme to take over Las Vegas and the USA betting market.

$20m is what they are talking about from wagering in USA annually. It’s f**king peanuts compared to the $500m over 5 years they lost out in media rights. At $20m a year from wagering, it will take the NRL 25 years to recoup the $500m lost in media rights.

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

NRL eyeing $20 million payday by cracking into ‘really big potential’ US betting market

www.foxsports.com.au

Even PVL displays how little he understand the sports wagering market. PVL believes “Basketball is the No.1 sports betting product in Australia because it has so many exotic bets. We’re hoping we can start some time this year, and we’ve got a number of partners we’re talking to”.

Jesus Christ PVL it ain’t the exotic bets, it’s that Australians love playing basketball and NBA. They bet on what they love, hence why NRL and AFL also dominate the Australian sports betting landscape too.

The fact PVL thinks its “exotic bets” that makes Australians throw money at NBA is hilarious to me. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of what motivates humans to gamble. Which is kind of absurd when its coming from the mouth of someone running the NSW racing industry.

Honestly, the low level of IQ displayed on here by a majority of posters who just eat up everything PVL has to say is so hilarious. You dumbasses keep dumbassing though. It’s funny to keep reading to dribble you keep typing out. Champagne comedy.

you'd be the stupidest merkin on these pages
no contest

 

[Pneuma]

you'd be the stupidest merkin on these pages
no contest

He’s a wanker of the highest order. Perth Red likes him. Says it all really.

 

[taipan]

ESPN and things like Sportscenter are Boomer tier today's kids.

Other then spending a shitload of money we could use elsewhere, what are we proposing to do in the US market?

No different re kids in Oz.
You haven't given a decent alternative, when the NRL already would have set aside money for an 18th team .
Or another potential decent source of funds.Gina Hancock? BHP?
Basically saying we can grow at every level on the revenue that we get in this country.And that includes the NRL owning bigger revenue producing assets.Good luck.
That's one of the proposals in the U.S., to look at ways to dramatically increases our revenue, in addition to the limited funding here(due to country size).
You'd better ask PVL to provide you with all the discussion papers, contracts and WIP.

 

[Perth Red]

No different re kids in Oz.
You haven't given a decent alternative, when the NRL already would have set aside money for an 18th team .
Or another potential decent source of funds.Gina Hancock? BHP?
Basically saying we can grow at every level on the revenue that we get in this country.And that includes the NRL owning bigger revenue producing assets.Good luck.
That's one of the proposals in the U.S., to look at ways to dramatically increases our revenue, in addition to the limited funding here(due to country size).
You'd better ask PVL to provide you with all the discussion papers, contracts and WIP.

Let’s hope he’s better at negotiating betting deals than tv deals!

 

[taipan]

$395 mill v $530mill. Do the maths!

They won’t get $20mill. They get $80mill in aus from a billion $’s gambled on nrl from a fanbase of around 1million people. How much do you think a few thousand curious yanks sat up at 2am are going to make the game?

You are still crapping on comparing wombats with koalas. Despite the bleeding obvious differences.

I'm really amazed how you know how much this promotion will get. PVL & Co should have stayed home and smelt the roses.Whatever they get in Australia on betting is one thing.The NRL is trying to increase that figure ,how frigg'n dare they .
Is it any wonder the English Super league is where it is, with insular approaches.

 

[taipan]

Let’s hope he’s better at negotiating betting deals than tv deals!

Well I can assure you one thing, he won't be whining during discussions and it appears the yanks were impressed with the deal.
But we know you are the expert negotiator, you would have doubled the deal for the NRL comp here, getting companies to pay twice as much for TV ads. And doing this whilst you are as p*ssed as a parrot.

 

[Perth Red]

Well I can assure you one thing, he won't be whining during discussions and it appears the yanks were impressed with the deal.
But we know you are the expert negotiator, you would have doubled the deal for the NRL comp here, getting companies to pay twice as much for TV ads. And doing this whilst you are as p*ssed as a parrot.

Bless

 

[Perth Red]

You are still crapping on comparing wombats with koalas. Despite the bleeding obvious differences.

I'm really amazed how you know how much this promotion will get. PVL & Co should have stayed home and smelt the roses.Whatever they get in Australia on betting is one thing.The NRL is trying to increase that figure ,how frigg'n dare they .
Is it any wonder the English Super league is where it is, with insular approaches.

You continue to fail to justify why with more valuable content the tv deal comparison has gone from 10%-20% historic gap to 30-40% from 2025?
With all the concessions and new content nrl offered this tv period the gap should have closed, not doubled!

 

[Vee]

you'd be the stupidest merkin on these pages
no contest

Actually, there's a shedload of competition for that title.

 

[Pneuma]

Actually, there's a shedload of competition for that title.

I think all of us can lay claim to it at one moment or the other tbh

 

[taipan]

You continue to fail to justify why with more valuable content the tv deal comparison has gone from 10%-20% historic gap to 30-40% from 2025?
With all the concessions and new content nrl offered this tv period the gap should have closed, not doubled!

You are justifying your predictable comments by trying to make ignorant comparisons.You don't really know the cash components, and journalists are hardly reliable sources .

One more time for the whiner from the West, 18 team fumbler comp operating and still does , 4 qtrs advertising space more opportunities to sell products ,their fumbling games a whole lot longer for viewers to pop in any time, they have teams in every state even though in 2 states few give a rats to watch, time of negotiation bearing in mind a 17th team was in line for the NRL(the NRL wanted certainty in the midst of COVID and sitting around on their a*se waiting for clear air was too risky, expiry dates of both code's negotiations also will impact next deal.

Channel 7 was/is more flush with funds than Nein and there is zero way 7 was going to sacrifice AFL for NRL.They only wanted to cherry pick with SOO.

As for CH10, if you have been keeping up to speed, Paramount has been cutting back its workforce 25% due to competition.
But of course you with all your medical knowledge just knew COVID would get a whole lot less effective when AFL did their deal.And the NRL should just have taken a punt and waited.
Conversely if COVID had gotten hell of a lot worse in 2021/2 ,then the AFL might just have to have a bigly cut and you would have been looking for a place to hide.

And the irony of all this sh*t you complain about Tv deals , then in the next breath bag the NRL for trying to secure additional funding in the U.S.