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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

Steel Saints

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When though?

End of 2022 the TV deal expired, Easy to say we should of waited but deals are started 2 years out to forward plan.

2 years out was 2020. Which was covid times, last year the comp was moved to QLD

So was only marginally better time

That hasn't happened every time. You go back to August 2012, the NRL commission signed off on a $1.025 B deal for the 2013-2017 period. Just six months after the formation of the independent commission.

And of course, the NRL could've replicated what aerial ping pong did by giving the broadcasters a 2 year extension.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2012/08/nine-fox-sports-confirm-new-nrl-rights-deal.html
 

Colk

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That hasn't happened every time. You go back to August 2012, the NRL commission signed off on a $1.025 B deal for the 2013-2017 period. Just six months after the formation of the independent commission.

And of course, the NRL could've replicated what aerial ping pong did by giving the broadcasters a 2 year extension.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2012/08/nine-fox-sports-confirm-new-nrl-rights-deal.html

Exactly.

There is no reason why you would extend it until 2028 when you still had time remaining on the contract.

Also, why would you extend one part of the deal and lock out the FTA?
 

Iamback

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That hasn't happened every time. You go back to August 2012, the NRL commission signed off on a $1.025 B deal for the 2013-2017 period. Just six months after the formation of the independent commission.

And of course, the NRL could've replicated what aerial ping pong did by giving the broadcasters a 2 year extension.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2012/08/nine-fox-sports-confirm-new-nrl-rights-deal.html

if we did either of those, How do you plan for Dolphins or the 4 extra NRLW teams though?

There was clear benefit to long term extensions
 

Colk

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if we did either of those, How do you plan for Dolphins or the 4 extra NRLW teams though?

There was clear benefit to long term extensions

Again no it wasn’t. 2023 would have been the first year of the new deal anyway.

You could have planned it a whole lot better. For example, you could have given both Nine and Foxtel a small discount for the remaining years of the contract and put it out to tender with the promise of two sides within that TV period.

What he has essentially done is probably put two sides in but because he has negotiated with one party rather than multiple parties he has thus left hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of the deal that would have funded it and much more.
 
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Again no it wasn’t. 2023 would have been the first year of the new deal anyway.

You could have planned it a whole lot better. For example, you could have given both Nine and Foxtel a small discount for the remaining years of the contract and put it out to tender with the promise of two sides within that TV period.

What he has essentially done is probably put two sides in but because he has negotiated with one party rather than multiple parties and thus left hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of the deal that would have funded it and much more.

Correct 2023 would of been the 1st year but how do you know the game can afford the start up without knowing the income going forward?

Minimum wage for NRLW is now $30k. How can you bring in 4 extra teams without knowing you have the $30m or so to cover that?

As for millions across the deal, no one knows but the deal the RLPA has put to the NRL is for the cap to rise $400k each year

Meaning the Cap alone cost wise is $185m next year. But is $219m for 2027 again, Along with the Club grants being worth $85m on the top of that

Plus the other add ons it puts revenue in 2027 for $700m or so, That is massive growth for the game. Certainly not the mismanagement some on here are calling it
 

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if we did either of those, How do you plan for Dolphins or the 4 extra NRLW teams though?

There was clear benefit to long term extensions
Again no it wasn’t. 2023 would have been the first year of the new deal anyway.

You could have planned it a whole lot better. For example, you could have given both Nine and Foxtel a small discount for the remaining years of the contract and put it out to tender with the promise of two sides within that TV period.

What he has essentially done is probably put two sides in but because he has negotiated with one party rather than multiple parties he has thus left hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of the deal that would have funded it and much more.

Iamback, It feels like you are changing the goalposts about when the Dolphins and NRLW sides would come in. I was responding that a tv rights deal was done very late in the piece back in 2012. Like a few months out from expiry. You don't necessarily need to sign off deals two years out.

As far as Dolphins are concerned , they could've brought them in after the two year extension or do what Colk said, give them discounts until 2022, and then put it out to tender with the promise of two new sides over that period.

And i am sure there are other strategies the NRL commission could've explored. But the NRL went long term at an inappropriate time.
 

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Iamback, It feels like you are changing the goalposts about when the Dolphins and NRLW sides would come in. I was responding that a tv rights deal was done very late in the piece back in 2012. Like a few months out from expiry. You don't necessarily need to sign off deals two years out.

As far as Dolphins are concerned , they could've brought them in after the two year extension or do what Colk said, give them discounts until 2022, and then put it out to tender with the promise of two new sides over that period.

And i am sure there are other strategies the NRL commission could've explored. But the NRL went long term at an inappropriate time.

What changed between 2007-2012 deals?
Compared to what was done for this next deal

So again I ask does $50m spend or whatever the 5 teams end up costing a season happen without long term deal to plan?

We saw how long the AFL deal took to do, We could be sitting here in Sept with no TV deal in place, Certainly would of pushed Dolphins out another season
 

Colk

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What changed between 2007-2012 deals?
Compared to what was done for this next deal

So again I ask does $50m spend or whatever the 5 teams end up costing a season happen without long term deal to plan?

We saw how long the AFL deal took to do, We could be sitting here in Sept with no TV deal in place, Certainly would of pushed Dolphins out another season

Would that have been a bad thing? Why did the Dolphins have to come in by 2023?
 

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Plus the other add ons it puts revenue in 2027 for $700m or so, That is massive growth for the game. Certainly not the mismanagement some on here are calling it
where is this $150mill a year extra coming from In 2027?
 

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What changed between 2007-2012 deals?
Compared to what was done for this next deal

So again I ask does $50m spend or whatever the 5 teams end up costing a season happen without long term deal to plan?

We saw how long the AFL deal took to do, We could be sitting here in Sept with no TV deal in place, Certainly would of pushed Dolphins out another season
if it meant anything like $200mill extra a year on the deal surely worth it? Besides when afl announced suns and gws it was before negotiations began on their next deal so they could go to market with the extra games content. Why couldn’t nrl have done same?

i mean compare what just happened :
afl negotiate 3 years reduced contract then 2 year extension that recouped those 3 years of loses. That then left them free to go to market andnland a mammoth deal. Effectively delivering massive revenue increase from their 2017 deal for nine years.

Vlandys gifted fox a cut price extension when they were begging for favours, then added nine in for no more money (Giving them the resources to buy one of our competitors rights and offer $500mill for our other competitor) Extended the deal even further and locked us in to bargain basement deal in comparison for 7 years. Then comes out and tells us he has a nod and wink deal with fox to renegotiate at some point in time, or something else up his sleeve. Ffs it’s farcical And the fact some on here are defending it beggars belief.
 
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Because expansion always gets put off,

Forcing expansion when it is not the right time to do so is just as bad as not expanding at all.

We put in a new side and barely got anything for it. They are the facts
 

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if it meant anything like $200mill extra a year on the deal surely worth it? Besides when afl announced suns and gws it was before negotiations began on their next deal so they could go to market with the extra games content. Why couldn’t nrl have done same?

i mean compare what just happened :
afl negotiate 3 years reduced contract then 2 year extension that recouped those 3 years of loses. That then left them free to go to market andnland a mammoth deal. Effectively delivering massive revenue increase from their 2017 deal for nine years.

Vlandys gifted fox a cut price extension when they were begging for favours, then added nine in for no more money (Giving them the resources to buy one of our competitors rights and offer $500mill for our other competitor) Extended the deal even further and locked us in to bargain basement deal in comparison for 7 years. Then comes out and tells us he has a nod and wink deal with fox to renegotiate at some point in time, or something else up his sleeve. Ffs it’s farcical And the fact some on here are defending it beggars belief.

Well for starters there is no Telstra to add to the NRL deal
Ch7 will pay more due to the capital city reach and extra break

So the deals wouldn't be the same

As for the bargain basement deal
Revenue over $600m next year
Given the cap rise of $2m across the 5 years. That would put revenue over $700m
With $110m mentioned for investment

A 17th team
Professional women's comp

Yet 'fans' like you still complain
 

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Well for starters there is no Telstra to add to the NRL deal
Ch7 will pay more due to the capital city reach and extra break

So the deals wouldn't be the same

As for the bargain basement deal
Revenue over $600m next year
Given the cap rise of $2m across the 5 years. That would put revenue over $700m
With $110m mentioned for investment

A 17th team
Professional women's comp

Yet 'fans' like you still complain
Wheres this extra revenue coming from?
2019 revenue was $553mill. So we’re allegedly getting an extra $47mill next year and an extra $147mill a year by 2027? where from?

it’s not coming from the tv deal we are locked into for the next 5 years which is only around a $12mill a year cash increase. So unless fox and nine are feeling incredibly generous and going to give us more money out of the goodness of their heart Where’s it coming from?

even taking telstra out currently we are still at:
2023 $402 v $433
2024 $402 v $433
2025 $402 v $593
2026 $402 v $593
2027 $402 v $593

how is that even remotely the same?
 
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And whilst we are on telstra can you explain why Vlandys has just signed a 5 year deal with them for $19mill a year which includes naming rights when afl will get $60mill from telstra plus a further $21mill for naming rights?
Even taking out the value of running afls digital platforms and keeping that advertising revenue, a $62million a year gap needs some explaining!

and whilst we’re at it can you also explain why Vlandys bundled the radio rights in for ch9 for no extra cash when afl sells theirs separately for $10mill a year?

so many questions!
 

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Profits of boom​

ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys has hit back at clubs and groups in the game he says are trying to undermine him through “personal attacks” that are “misleading and opportunistic”.
V’landys has also taken a shot at the bloated AFL in a stinging return of serve to an item in this column last week.
V’landys is being hammered by club bosses about everything from the AFL’s mammoth $4.5 billion broadcast deal to the state government’s change of heart on stadium funding, and even his explanation for delaying Taylan May’s two-game ban to next year, saying it was “for the fans”.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys.

V’landys has sent this column an email promising to have the last laugh, while laying out what he says are the huge benefits to clubs and players that have resulted from the recent work of the commission.
“In 2019, the 16 NRL clubs as a group recorded $38 million in losses,” he wrote. “During COVID, when the NRL increased net funding to clubs from $29 million to $86.4 million, it meant that the 16 clubs as a group made approximately $30 million in profit when other businesses and sports were incurring heavy losses. This was on top of the $144 million per annum the NRL paid the players on behalf of the clubs.
“For the next five years we have proposed a 140% increase in funding to clubs as compared to 2019. It’s expected players are going to receive a 19% increase, 12% adjusting for expansion. Not bad considering most employees are on average receiving a 3% increase.
“Yet a minority, rather than being appreciative, are demanding more. However, what is disappointing is they have a strategy to personally attack me and the NRL in order to achieve their unrealistic demands. The NRL next year will have record revenues and a cost-effective operation, which will make record distributions to players and clubs.
“To single out broadcast in isolation is misleading and opportunistic. Firstly, the AFL’s new broadcast deal does not start until 2025. It finishes in 2031. Before 2025, the NRL will likely have done a new broadcast deal. This will mean more distributions to clubs and players and a cost-effective operation. Also, a substantial part of the AFL revenue goes to operational costs. The NRL operational costs are now 25% of its revenue. In stark contrast, the AFL operational expenses in 2021 were 47% of its revenue.

“Infighting inside the game has always held us back. Attacking the game to achieve a better result for one stakeholder group comes at the cost of the overall game. Ironically, damaging the game will hurt all of us in the future.”

He complains about his critics being opportunistic tans misleading using certain figures about media rights, then in the next paragraph boasts that NRL operating costs are 25% of revenue compared to AFL’s 47% in 2021. Given that in 2021 the AFL relocated most teams and over 1,000 people for most of the season, he could not have made a more opportunistic or misleading comment. And not sure that boasting the you spend less on staff and infrastructure is a positive anyway. Desperate ramblings of a drowning man.
 

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He complains about his critics being opportunistic tans misleading using certain figures about media rights, then in the next paragraph boasts that NRL operating costs are 25% of revenue compared to AFL’s 47% in 2021. Given that in 2021 the AFL relocated most teams and over 1,000 people for most of the season, he could not have made a more opportunistic or misleading comment. And not sure that boasting the you spend less on staff and infrastructure is a positive anyway. Desperate ramblings of a drowning man.

The language amuses me. Why is every criticism levelled against him labelled a ‘personal attack’ Sure some people might go overboard but there would be a lot of criticism that would be quite reasonable and it is not like some people didn’t warn him against extending Foxtel’s deal for five years
 

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He complains about his critics being opportunistic tans misleading using certain figures about media rights, then in the next paragraph boasts that NRL operating costs are 25% of revenue compared to AFL’s 47% in 2021. Given that in 2021 the AFL relocated most teams and over 1,000 people for most of the season, he could not have made a more opportunistic or misleading comment. And not sure that boasting the you spend less on staff and infrastructure is a positive anyway. Desperate ramblings of a drowning man.

He also appears to be using 2022 for NRL and 2021 for AFL. From what I can see in 2021 it was 33% for NRL.
 

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He also appears to be using 2022 for NRL and 2021 for AFL. From what I can see in 2021 it was 33% for NRL.
He also said clubs are getting a 140% grant increase! That would mean the club grant going from $13mill to $31.2mill each lol
Numbers are clearly not his strong point!
 

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What changed between 2007-2012 deals?
Compared to what was done for this next deal

So again I ask does $50m spend or whatever the 5 teams end up costing a season happen without long term deal to plan?

We saw how long the AFL deal took to do, We could be sitting here in Sept with no TV deal in place, Certainly would of pushed Dolphins out another season

Between 1998 to early 2012, the NRL was part owned by News Ltd. And when it was doing rights deals in that period, the NRL, part own by News was negotiating with Fox, who were also part owned by News.

So essentially, News Ltd was at both ends of the negotiation table. Fox/ News were getting the NRL rights relatively cheaply.

And when you look at the last three CEO's, Gallop, Smith and Greenberg all departed on the eve on a new broadcast agreement.

So is Abdo next to go in 2025??? , before the next one is signed off?
 

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