Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Jamberoo]

It’s literally in the article

Victoria racing we’re going to give the Everest group one status if he stopped making new races that competed with theirs

on afl well they and their fans can never admit areas where league beats them or is indeed number one

afl has this ingrained arrogance that they are the number one Australian sport and nobody is challenging that

their ads described their code as “Australia’s” code when in terms of football it’s clearly not

I don't think that is true. No one would think that AFL is number one in NSW or Qld. Or by areas do you mean things like ratings? Yes, the AFL is arrogant, but I don't think that they are scared of competition at all. As I said, putting four teams in enemy territory shows that they are up for competition.

What PVL is doing in racing is not for the overall good of the industry in Australia. Making new events that compete head to head with races in Melbourne that have been going since the 1800s is not a good long term strategy. Trainers, horses, owners, media can't be in two places at once. He likes playing games for his ego. Just put them on different days. Racing bodies should be working together.

 

[Maximus]

What is harder to predict?

A sport where the contracts are in place and as such the expenses are known or an Airline where fuel prices change monthly, amongst other unknowns

What's harder to predict?

What's going to happen for the next 3 months or what's going to happen for the next 13 months?

 

[Reflector]

Except Wayne Pearce he’s done nothing

his ideas to being in new rules were poor

he’s probably the most important person in nsw in terms of power and connections outside like billionaires and he’s working for rugby league and only taking like a directors fee from the game

he’s doing this I think because he grew up with the game when it made him feel included as a Greek kid growing up in Australia, but also and just as important as a counter to Victorian arrogance that Melbourne is the centre of Australia

what he did and is doing for nsw racing to the spring carnival in Melbourne will and has been replicated in the two football codes of each city

I hope one day they make a TV series based on his time in charge of the NRL, and they show some guy with a pommy accent bitching about how the Perth Bears will never work then talking about how great the AFL is...

...And another guy calling talkback radio from Logan, declaring PVL is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic because there's too many Sydney teams while there's no team in Singapore.

Would add to the realism of the series.

 

[Perth Red]

I assumed he was talking 2022 where the books will soon close? Its paywalled so didn't see he is talking 2023.
There's still club grants and salary cap to agree from '23 onwards so its somewhat speculative from a bottom line point of view.
Revenue wise, $600mill seems ball park. will be interesting to see where the increase comes from. They were at $553 mill in 2019 pre covid. Add in the $10mill' ish cash increase from the new tv deal gives $37mill extra revenue from somewhere. Maybe they are planning extra event games or hoping for bumper crowds for finals? I think I read we are getting more gambling money from this year? Revenue from the hotel. Any other revenue growth areas we know of?

 

[Perth Red]

I hope one day they make a TV series based on his time in charge of the NRL, and they show some guy with a pommy accent bitching about how the Perth Bears will never work then talking about how great the AFL is...

...And another guy calling talkback radio from Logan, declaring PVL is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic because there's too many Sydney teams while there's no team in Singapore.

Would add to the realism of the series.

Scene cuts to a smokey back room with dim lighting where pistol pete actor in an ill fitting suit is agreeing to gift News ltd a tv deal of a life time and an envelope stuffed with favours surreptitiously gets handed under the table to him. So many moments they could capture for posterity lol

 

[Wb1234]

I hope one day they make a TV series based on his time in charge of the NRL, and they show some guy with a pommy accent bitching about how the Perth Bears will never work then talking about how great the AFL is...

...And another guy calling talkback radio from Logan, declaring PVL is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic because there's too many Sydney teams while there's no team in Singapore.

Would add to the realism of the series.

The worst thing about vlandys giving the next team to Perth is that sad twit finally get a team from the person who he has spent years bagging

he’s turned a lot of people off Perth over the years

 

[Perth Red]

The worst thing about vlandys giving the next team to Perth is that sad twit finally get a team from the person who he has spent years bagging

he’s turned a lot of people off Perth over the years

 

[Iamback]

I hope one day they make a TV series based on his time in charge of the NRL, and they show some guy with a pommy accent bitching about how the Perth Bears will never work then talking about how great the AFL is...

...And another guy calling talkback radio from Logan, declaring PVL is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic because there's too many Sydney teams while there's no team in Singapore.

Would add to the realism of the series.

Hahaha. Some absolute nutcases on here, Though that said NRL does need more content for the next TV deal... so you might be onto something

 

[Iamback]

I assumed he was talking 2022 where the books will soon close? Its paywalled so didn't see he is talking 2023.
There's still club grants and salary cap to agree from '23 onwards so its somewhat speculative from a bottom line point of view.
Revenue wise, $600mill seems ball park. will be interesting to see where the increase comes from. They were at $553 mill in 2019 pre covid. Add in the $10mill' ish cash increase from the new tv deal gives $37mill extra revenue from somewhere. Maybe they are planning extra event games or hoping for bumper crowds for finals? I think I read we are getting more gambling money from this year? Revenue from the hotel. Any other revenue growth areas we know of?

$42m was 2022 from $570m.
From the Journo More than $50m from $600m revenue. That part was confirmed but goes with what the players have said.

Well you have been told several times that the TV money is more than $400m cash not the $370 you claim. That takes it over $600m there

 

[Wb1234]

$42m was 2022 from $570m.
From the Journo More than $50m from $600m revenue. That part was confirmed but goes with what the players have said.

Well you have been told several times that the TV money is more than $400m cash not the $370 you claim. That takes it over $600m there

Whilst the salary cap goes higher than it has ever been before and players get back most of the money they lost during covid afl is still struggling with covid debts let alone paying back any money to players lost during covid

and of course they won’t make profits Like these (nrl) for years either

 

[Iamback]

What's harder to predict?

What's going to happen for the next 3 months or what's going to happen for the next 13 months?

What are the variables in the NRL predictions?
Things like hosting magic round, SOO, TV rights and so on have been locked in. In some cases for multiple years
Qantas has predicted until December, Then a further 6 months until June so it is more like 8 months of predictions

 

[Perth Red]

Well you have been told several times that the TV money is more than $400m cash not the $370 you claim. That takes it over $600m there

haha of course it is.
NRL announce a deal of "over" $400mill and you think its all cash despite Nine already confirming their $5mill increase is all contra and the contra in the last deal being $24.5mill?
The deal would literally have to be $430million or more for over $400 of it to be cash. I think Vlandys might have mentioned it if that was the case lol

 

[Perth Red]

What are the variables in the NRL predictions?
Things like hosting magic round, SOO, TV rights and so on have been locked in. In some cases for multiple years
Qantas has predicted until December, Then a further 6 months until June so it is more like 8 months of predictions

Digital sales
Merch sales
ticket sales

everything else would be close to being locked in for revenue you'd hope

 

[Maximus]

I assumed he was talking 2022 where the books will soon close? Its paywalled so didn't see he is talking 2023.
There's still club grants and salary cap to agree from '23 onwards so its somewhat speculative from a bottom line point of view.
Revenue wise, $600mill seems ball park. will be interesting to see where the increase comes from. They were at $553 mill in 2019 pre covid. Add in the $10mill' ish cash increase from the new tv deal gives $37mill extra revenue from somewhere. Maybe they are planning extra event games or hoping for bumper crowds for finals? I think I read we are getting more gambling money from this year? Revenue from the hotel. Any other revenue growth areas we know of?

For the $50m profit it says "The NRL's surplus next season is expected to hit a record $50m". Considering the NRL's financial year is 1 Nov-31 Oct, it doesn't make sense for that wording to be anything but next year.

For the $600m it isn't really clear what year they are talking about.

$42m was 2022 from $570m.

No it's not. I already linked the financials for 2021 showing those numbers are 2021.

 

[Canard]

Let's hope that the Commision vision for growing the game is bigger then "umm maybe get some ex NFL players"

That literally sounds like the sort of dumb shit that gets posted by a LU member at 3am after a night on the turps.

 

[Maximus]

What are the variables in the NRL predictions?
Things like hosting magic round, SOO, TV rights and so on have been locked in. In some cases for multiple years
Qantas has predicted until December, Then a further 6 months until June so it is more like 8 months of predictions

Well their biggest expense, payments to clubs, isn't locked in yet. Their 3rd and 4th biggest expenses (payments to states/affiliates and development) is variable as the amount they spend is dependent on participation.

I'm not sure why you are talking about revenue though. I said earlier that if they don't already have a good forecast for it they are in trouble, because yes it is mostly locked in.

Your Qantas article clearly only talks about the forecast profit to December, not June

Qantas announced a projected profit for the first half of the 2023 financial year, which is the second half of this calendar year, of $1.2 to $1.3 billion.
The airline also projects the net debt to fall to between $3.2 and $3.4 billion by the end of December, which is around $700,000 below the target.

 

[Maximus]

Let's hope that the Commision vision for growing the game is bigger then "umm maybe get some ex NFL players"

That literally sounds like the sort of dumb shit that gets posted by a LU member at 3am after a night on the turps.

No no remember he suggested getting college players who didn't make it to the NFL. They will be incredibly well suited with the 20 mins over a 3 hr period they currently spend on field

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I hope one day they make a TV series based on his time in charge of the NRL, and they show some guy with a pommy accent bitching about how the Perth Bears will never work then talking about how great the AFL is...

...And another guy calling talkback radio from Logan, declaring PVL is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic because there's too many Sydney teams while there's no team in Singapore.

Would add to the realism of the series.

It doesn't get any dumber than wanting a PNG team based out of Cairns or the Central Coast Bears as expansion sides.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Scene cuts to a smokey back room with dim lighting where pistol pete actor in an ill fitting suit is agreeing to gift News ltd a tv deal of a life time and an envelope stuffed with favours surreptitiously gets handed under the table to him. So many moments they could capture for posterity lol

If it's a Foxtel production they'll label him the man who saved fumbleball and Foxtel by preventing them from needing a Strespsol.

 

[Iamback]

Well their biggest expense, payments to clubs, isn't locked in yet. Their 3rd and 4th biggest expenses (payments to states/affiliates and development) is variable as the amount they spend is dependent on participation.

I'm not sure why you are talking about revenue though. I said earlier that if they don't already have a good forecast for it they are in trouble, because yes it is mostly locked in.

Your Qantas article clearly only talks about the forecast profit to December, not June

Qantas announced a projected profit for the first half of the 2023 financial year, which is the second half of this calendar year, of $1.2 to $1.3 billion.
The airline also projects the net debt to fall to between $3.2 and $3.4 billion by the end of December, which is around $700,000 below the target.

The salary cap is locked in as it is a set % of the revenue. John Grant put in place Clubs getting 130% of the cap. So on an $11m cap you are adding $4m or so.

What isn't locked in is who handles the welfare for the ex players and non financial stuff like that.