Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Iamback]

200m per year difference is enough for there to be an enquiry, but because Fairfax and News Ltd are the benefactors they won't be questioning a thing.
I dont do twitter but if I did I'd be asking the hard questions to Slothfield, Gus, Read, Weirdler etc as to why is the NRL rights now looking so poor, and should PVL take the hit. Then seeing the response

The details of the AFL deal will be in the AFR or some non sport non bias paper and it will show it is a lot closer.

As Steel Saints said there were multiple people who put both deals together, if it turns out a horrible deal multiple heads will roll.

Remember the ARLC and RLPA are currently discussing salary caps for coming years, While NRL can not disclose terms publicly claiming confidentality. They can't hide them in those discussions.

Over the next few months should get a clearer picture

 

[Generalzod]

200m per year difference is enough for there to be an enquiry, but because Fairfax and News Ltd are the benefactors they won't be questioning a thing.
I dont do twitter but if I did I'd be asking the hard questions to Slothfield, Gus, Read, Weirdler etc as to why is the NRL rights now looking so poor, and should PVL take the hit. Then seeing the response

Well fairfax at one time was a great journalistic paper, its run now by the the nine group you won't see them questioning a thing.

 

[Perth Red]

He should have quit after covid whilst he was ahead.

strike 1 civil war with nswrl wasting the games money in the courts
strike 2 stadium fiasco
strike 3 massive unders in tv deal
strike 4 the head high fiasco and six again joke

so long,farewell, aif wiedersen, goodbye……….

watch him come out with some glib remark about afl whilst the morons on the sidelines continue to cheer.

 

[Iamback]

He should have quit after covid whilst he was ahead.

strike 1 civil war with nswrl wasting the games money in the courts
strike 2 stadium fiasco
strike 3 massive unders in tv deal
strike 4 the head high fiasco and six again joke

so long,farewell, aif wiedersen, goodbye……….

watch him come out with some glib remark about afl whilst the morons on the sidelines continue to cheer.

As long as those on the sidelines, Players get paid. I doubt very many care what the AFL do

 

[Colk]

He should have quit after covid whilst he was ahead.

strike 1 civil war with nswrl wasting the games money in the courts
strike 2 stadium fiasco
strike 3 massive unders in tv deal
strike 4 the head high fiasco and six again joke

so long,farewell, aif wiedersen, goodbye……….

watch him come out with some glib remark about afl whilst the morons on the sidelines continue to cheer.

Auf widersehen. But yep 1000% agree. Seriously, if people looked beyond the halo around him, he has been as bad as Gallop (probably worse)

 

[Iamback]

Auf widersehen. But yep 1000% agree. Seriously, if people looked beyond the halo around him, he has been as bad as Gallop (probably worse)

RL fans just like to whinge. You can't seriously think the game is in a bad place right now?

 

[Colk]

RL fans just like to whinge. You can't seriously think the game is in a bad place right now?

We’re not particularly in a great place. Look, I’ll give him kudos for how he handled the COVID-19. Beyond that though it has been a calamity.

1.He has presided over a deal which we got practically got nothing for an extra side and the gap has massively increased as a result.
2. The commission introduced rules which increased the gap between the top sides and the rest which affects the quality. It’s also meant that they keep tinkering to cover up their original ineptitude. Lucky it has been better this year.
3. We have war going on between two major bodies
4. Clubs are more in control of the League than they ever have been. You have them in control of the whole stadium debate. Look at the inconsistencies around other decisions. We have a player who has seriously assaulted somebody getting a deferred punishment. If he played for the Tigers or some lowly club who have no power, he would be banned for about 10 matches

 

[The Mad Hatter]

If there is such a huge difference between AFL and NRL deals, when are the NRL players going to realise they could be earning oh so much more smashing their bodies each week of the season? Why aren’t we getting tv money for teams 17 and 18? Why junior leagues aren’t getting plenty of $$? Why the NRLW players aren’t getting paid more?
Jeez it’s hard to keep having faith when the ARLC and NRL look like it’s a game for a handful of stakeholders making $$ out of a game.

 

[Iamback]

We’re not particularly in a great place. Look, I’ll give him kudos for how he handled the COVID-19. Beyond that though it has been a calamity.

1.He has presided over a deal which we got practically got nothing for an extra side and the gap has massively increased as a result.
2. The commission introduced rules which increased the gap between the top sides and the rest which affects the quality. It’s also meant that they keep tinkering to cover up their original ineptitude. Lucky it has been better this year.
3. We have war going on between two major bodies
4. Clubs are more in control of the League than they ever have been. You have them in control of the whole stadium debate. Look at the inconsistencies around other decisions. We have a player who has seriously assaulted somebody getting a deferred punishment. If he played for the Tigers or some lowly club who have no power, he would be banned for about 10 matches

1. The salary cap is going up to $11m - Throw in the grant to the clubs that is $246m on a 50/50 split that is almost $500m a year revenue. In 2013 the Salary Cap was $7m. So plenty of growth over 10 years there

2. That was a lazy excuse for poorly run teams, Do you think the rules changing back is why the Cowboys finished 3rd up from 15th last year?

3. Who side are the clubs on? Shouldn't the ARLC go into battle for the clubs that they represent?

4. Of course they are and so they should be. Head office shouldn't be telling clubs what is best for them

 

[Colk]

1. The salary cap is going up to $11m - Throw in the grant to the clubs that is $246m on a 50/50 split that is almost $500m a year revenue. In 2013 the Salary Cap was $7m. So plenty of growth over 10 years there

2. That was a lazy excuse for poorly run teams, Do you think the rules changing back is why the Cowboys finished 3rd up from 15th last year?

3. Who side are the clubs on? Shouldn't the ARLC go into battle for the clubs that they represent?

4. Of course they are and so they should be. Head office shouldn't be telling clubs what is best for them

1. We have left money on the table though. That salary cap could and should have been higher. Furthermore, it is not just about the professional side. What’s going to happen to grassroots and the leagues underneath. You know as well as I where fumbleball are going to direct a lot of their extra money - straight into grassroots and on a plan over 20, 30 and 40 years.

2. Absolute bullocks. People had whole squads of players built for a different type of game and then without any consultation or preparation the style of game was completely upended. Even if the intention was to speed up the game, why wouldn’t you consult your players or implement over a longer period of time. It was done unprofessionally and haphazardly and you only had to look at the consequences. In any case, why put a rule in that makes the difference between sides greater particularly if you are trying to negotiate new deals with broadcasters? If teams are flogging other teams by 50 points do you blame broadcasters for their subsequent attitude?

3. So he should go into legal battle wasting funds? You have to either give the NSWRL autonomy to make decisions or you take over them. Not go into legal battles with them when they are an independent body because you don’t like the decision.

4. Clubs being in control of anything is a recipe for disaster. What you get in that instance are clubs giving lenient penalties to high profile players and sackings/harsher penalties for fringe players. Clubs won’t sack high profile players because they will be just picked up by other clubs so hence there is no consistency. The same let clubs decide crap was done with the COVID vaccination thing - compare that again with the clarity from fumbleball. Took it away from the clubs and their self interest.

 

[Iamback]

1. We have left money on the table though. That salary cap could and should have been higher. Furthermore, it is not just about the professional side. What’s going to happen to grassroots and the leagues underneath. You know as well as I where fumbleball are going to direct a lot of their extra money - straight into grassroots and on a plan over 20, 30 and 40 years.

2. Absolute bullocks. People had whole squads of players built for a different type of game and then without any consultation or preparation the style of game was completely upended. Even if the intention was to speed up the game, why wouldn’t you consult your players or implement over a longer period of time. It was done unprofessionally and haphazardly and you only had to look at the consequences. In any case, why put a rule in that makes the difference between sides greater particularly if you are trying to negotiate new deals with broadcasters? If teams are flogging other teams by 50 points do you blame broadcasters for their subsequent attitude?

3. So he should go into legal battle wasting funds? You have to either give the NSWRL autonomy to make decisions or you take over them. Not go into legal battles with them when they are an independent body because you don’t like the decision.

4. Clubs being in control of anything is a recipe for disaster. What you get in that instance are clubs giving lenient penalties to high profile players and sackings/harsher penalties for fringe players. Clubs won’t sack high profile players because they will be just picked up by other clubs so hence there is no consistency. The same let clubs decide crap was done with the COVID vaccination thing - compare that again with the clarity from fumbleball. Took it away from the clubs and their self interest.

1 - Have they? Point me to the actual cash figures for both codes and we can talk, Until then accounting can make it say anything. Part of the talks now involve the NRL books being open to the RLPA, If they are happy, Clubs are happy then the rest is just speculation and won't get a Chairman sacked on that.

In NRL the clubs handle the grassroots stuff. Dolphins licence agreement is on them spending $2m on Junior development. Penrith and a few others spend atleast that. Others will follow as their CoE's open. That is $34m a year a lot of it going to junior kids in country areas, That is without whatever the relevant junior Leagues get spent on them. On top of the relevant Grants to NSWRL, QRL and so on from the NRL - Again won't get a chairman sacked with that sort of outlay

2 - Yes or no the rule changes back has helped guys like the Cowboys get good after being terrible last year?

3 - Who started court proceedings? I think it was the nswrl trying to get their funding restored a court case they in turn lost

4 - People have complained about the Integrity Unit for years, That has nothing to do with the current situation

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

In spite of all the extra money they get, what’s the bet that the AFL still have autonomy over scheduling? Meanwhile, NRL continue to be dictated to by Nein while they trash digital

 

[Colk]

1 - Have they? Point me to the actual cash figures for both codes and we can talk, Until then accounting can make it say anything. Part of the talks now involve the NRL books being open to the RLPA, If they are happy, Clubs are happy then the rest is just speculation and won't get a Chairman sacked on that.

In NRL the clubs handle the grassroots stuff. Dolphins licence agreement is on them spending $2m on Junior development. Penrith and a few others spend atleast that. Others will follow as their CoE's open. That is $34m a year a lot of it going to junior kids in country areas, That is without whatever the relevant junior Leagues get spent on them. On top of the relevant Grants to NSWRL, QRL and so on from the NRL - Again won't get a chairman sacked with that sort of outlay

2 - Yes or no the rule changes back has helped guys like the Cowboys get good after being terrible last year?

3 - Who started court proceedings? I think it was the nswrl trying to get their funding restored a court case they in turn lost

4 - People have complained about the Integrity Unit for years, That has nothing to do with the current situation

1. Mate you can bury your head in the sand all you want but do you think that fumbleball is worth $200 million more than our game despite our ratings been on par with theirs as well as the fact that we have SOO and Internationals and they don’t have anything additional to sell? If the answer is no, then yes we have been undersold. Even the cash element is at least $100 million more for them, probably over $150m according to some reports. I think this is inarguable at this point.

Regarding junior development, that’s all well and good of clubs doing that but let’s be honest we have other bodies spending money on junior development. Also, in terms of money we aren’t in the same ballpark in terms of money spent on grassroots and that is all that matters

2. Is it professional to change the rules on the whim without any consultation of any players who provide the product Yes/No? So you think any other sports administration would do the same Yes/No? We had statistically our most uneven competition last year and yes he thankfully tweaked it a little bit but the commission including V’Landys should have been turfed for just that. To make matters worse, he and the ARLC negotiates our next deal after presiding over that - absolutely moronic

3. Because he stepped in. If you are going to allow a body to be autonomous then let them make their decisions.

4. The point being is that if you are deferring to the clubs all the time or letting them run rampant then what precisely is the point of the commission? The whole point originally was to take decisions away from clubs and their own self interest and to run the competition without fear, self interest and from the cliques that we have always seen. The reason being is that the clubs don’t care about the whole game, they care about their own clubs - that is not their fault as they are a business. You see this lack of direction everywhere - from stadiums, from junior development, from expansion, from decisions that favour certain clubs and others that don’t. The game is continually being led by clubs and not by the ARLC

 

[Captain Apollo]

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2. Is it professional to change the rules on the whim without any consultation of any players who provide the product Yes/No? So you think any other sports administration would do the same Yes/No? We had statistically our most uneven competition last year and yes he thankfully tweaked it a little bit but the commission including V’Landys should have been turfed for just that. To make matters worse, he and the ARLC negotiates our next deal after presiding over that - absolutely moronic

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Just so others can see, this is a link to how the NFL handle its rule changes -

The NFL Competition Committee | NFL Football Operations

Working to maintain competitive balance and consistency throughout the NFL.

operations.nfl.com

That process has been in place since 1968. As can be seen they consult widely with clubs, coaches, college reps and player reps too.

 

[LeagueXIII]

RL fans just like to whinge. You can't seriously think the game is in a bad place right now?

It has no real independence every decision is based on what's good for the broadcasters. The feel good factor is very low.

 

[Colk]

It has no real independence every decision is based on what's good for the broadcasters. The feel good factor is very low.

That would be fine (begrudgingly) if we were getting paid market value. The fact that we are being short changed as well makes it considerably worse

 

[LeagueXIII]

1. Mate you can bury your head in the sand all you want but do you think that fumbleball is worth $200 million more than our game despite our ratings been on par with theirs as well as the fact that we have SOO and Internationals and they don’t have anything additional to sell? If the answer is no, then yes we have been undersold. Even the cash element is at least $100 million more for them, probably over $150m according to some reports. I think this is inarguable at this point.

Regarding junior development, that’s all well and good of clubs doing that but let’s be honest we have other bodies spending money on junior development. Also, in terms of money we aren’t in the same ballpark in terms of money spent on grassroots and that is all that matters

2. Is it professional to change the rules on the whim without any consultation of any players who provide the product Yes/No? So you think any other sports administration would do the same Yes/No? We had statistically our most uneven competition last year and yes he thankfully tweaked it a little bit but the commission including V’Landys should have been turfed for just that. To make matters worse, he and the ARLC negotiates our next deal after presiding over that - absolutely moronic

3. Because he stepped in. If you are going to allow a body to be autonomous then let them make their decisions.

4. The point being is that if you are deferring to the clubs all the time or letting them run rampant then what precisely is the point of the commission? The whole point originally was to take decisions away from clubs and their own self interest and to run the competition without fear, self interest and from the cliques that we have always seen. The reason being is that the clubs don’t care about the whole game, they care about their own clubs - that is not their fault as they are a business. You see this lack of direction everywhere - from stadiums, from junior development, from expansion, from decisions that favour certain clubs and others that don’t. The game is continually being led by clubs and not by the ARLC

Correct and surprisingly that game that we always compare ourselves to because they are well run took the power away from the clubs. Jeff Kennett is always whinging they have no power. Yet the overall game is doing very well. Clubs always put themselves first.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Remarkable amount of rugby league fans who know so much about AFL and the blokes who run it.

 

[Colk]

Remarkable amount of rugby league fans who know so much about AFL and the blokes who run it.

All of the details are in the media reports on the fumbleball rights yesterday. V’Landys and the ‘independent’ commission have done a terrible job in comparison

 

[Maximus]

Remarkable amount of rugby league fans who know so much about AFL and the blokes who run it.

Yeah, it's illegal to be a fan of multiple sports. Or to be able to read news articles.