Players refusing to sing the National anthem in protest

[magpie4ever]

No I don't. And I know you don't. That's why there's employment programs and other assistance targeted specifically to Aboriginal youth. We as a society have to accept that to fix these problems it has to be customised without labeling it as "special handouts" to Black Fellas playing the victim. They have special needs that need tailored solutions.

Yep, and most of the programs whilst working for some are not working for the majority.

It is great to see more aboriginals obtaining tertiary degrees - some in medicine, law & engineering.

I know this sounds like a "special handout" but why don't we legislate (or the equilvalent of) that the top 200 (or more) companies are required to offer real jobs (say, a percentage - 2% or more) to aborigines - just an idea. Maybe toss it around - could work in education, as well - but not just sporting scholarships.

 

[magpie4ever]

I don't think it was necessarily true. We lack a lot of data to put together accurate models but it appears that there was a fall in quality of life from Paleolithic to Neolithic. Life wasn't completely horrible before the neolithic revolution.

Ok, move on. Let's agree they didn't have a lifespan into their 80s.

 

[Front-Rower]

No, your post was just comically bad.

Why? Give me a reason.

What are these three players going to achieve by not singing the national anthem? What tangible, value added solution are they going to provide to ensure something gets done?

 

[Brisket Head]

Yep, and most of the program whilst working for some are not working for the majority.

It is great to see more aboriginals obtaining tertiary degrees - some in medicine, law & engineering.

I know this sounds like a "special handout" but why don't we legislate (or the equilvalent of) that the top 200 (or more) companies are required to offer real jobs (say, a percentage - 2% or more) to aborigines - just an idea. Maybe toss it around - could work in education, as well - but not just sporting scholarships.

There are what's called "Identified Positions". That's where an employer can invite applications from Aboriginal people only. It has to be where the job only suits Aboriginal people, like Engagement Officers in remote communities, or working in Aboriginal Health Facilities. There's also wage subsidies for employers that apply to all people, but Aboriginal people don't have to wait for the usual 6 months to gain eligibility. . A number of companies offer traineeships and apprenticeships through Aboriginal employment programs like VTEC .All of these things help

 

[mave]

I know this sounds like a "special handout" but why don't we legislate (or the equilvalent of) that the top 200 (or more) companies are required to offer real jobs (say, a percentage - 2% or more) to aborigines - just an idea. Maybe toss it around - could work in education, as well - but not just sporting scholarships.

Dont forget women.
And the LBGTQUI community.

The South African quota system sounds like a brilliant base idea to start from.

Lmao

 

[unforgiven]

Yep, and most of the programs whilst working for some are not working for the majority.

It is great to see more aboriginals obtaining tertiary degrees - some in medicine, law & engineering.

I know this sounds like a "special handout" but why don't we legislate (or the equilvalent of) that the top 200 (or more) companies are required to offer real jobs (say, a percentage - 2% or more) to aborigines - just an idea. Maybe toss it around - could work in education, as well - but not just sporting scholarships.

Positive post!

 

[Brisket Head]

Yep, and most of the programs whilst working for some are not working for the majority.

I.

I'm not sure if you have data for this. I certainly don't. But I suspect that the perception of not working for the majority is based on the fact that we usually only hear the bad stories not the good stuff. Like Rugby League players are all drunks and rapists while the truth is the majority are outstanding people

 

[typicalfan]

Why? Give me a reason.

What are these three players going to achieve by not singing the national anthem? What tangible, value added solution are they going to provide to ensure something gets done?

Why don't you start by showing your proof that these players do not provide other supports to the community. You made the statement. Why don't you verify your claims first. Then I will answer your question.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

@magpie4ever and @The Book of Steeden are like AFL fans.

They want their black fellas to be seen and not heard.

Nasty.....

 

[Brisket Head]

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I know this sounds like a "special handout" but why don't we legislate (or the equilvalent of) that the top 200 (or more) companies are required to offer real jobs (say, a percentage - 2% or more) to aborigines - just an idea. Maybe toss it around - could work in education, as well - but not just sporting scholarships.

Many large companies, including in the resources sector, will invite applications from Aboriginal people simply because they operate in remote regions so like to get the local people involved. There is also legislation around anti-discrimination that mean the best person gets the job (white, black or brindle) so sometimes the best they can do is strongly encourage Aboriginal applicants.

 

[magpie4ever]

Dont forget women.
And the LBGTQUI community.

The South African quota system sounds like a brilliant base idea to start from.

Lmao

My suggestion (only an idea) has a fairly small percentile uptake.

But I suggest it for all positions not aboriginal identified ones, I know some public services (as Brisket has said) run.

 

[Front-Rower]

Why don't you start by showing your proof that these players do not provide other supports to the community. You made the statement. Why don't you verify your claims first. Then I will answer your question.

See this is where you and the other poster lose your way. My original question was if they these players were going to donate their match fees in aid of their cause.

 

[magpie4ever]

I'm not sure if you have data for this. I certainly don't. But I suspect that the perception of not working for the majority is based on the fact that we usually only hear the bad stories not the good stuff. Like Rugby League players are all drunks and rapists while the truth is the majority are outstanding people

No just feedback that some young people do course after course after course - now that would be disheartening. I know the armed forces have some sort of quota.

 

[magpie4ever]

Many large companies, including in the resources sector, will invite applications from Aboriginal people simply because they operate in remote regions so like to get the local people involved. There is also legislation around anti-discrimination that mean the best person gets the job (white, black or brindle) so sometimes the best they can do is strongly encourage Aboriginal applicants.

I think (well there was) positive discrimination sections within the legislation. Just maybe we need to take the next step & recognise the special circumstances, at large.

 

[Brisket Head]

No just feedback that some young people do course after course after course - now that would be disheartening. I know the arm forces have some sort of quota.

That's true for White Fellas too. The employment landscape is changing for all people, of all ages, in all industries. Sad fact of life for us all. Yes the Armed Forces offer pathways tailored to Aboriginal Youth.

 

[Brisket Head]

I think (well there was) positive discrimination sections within the legislation. Just maybe we need to take the next step & recognise the special circumstances, at large.

I can't give specific sections from the variety of Acts that come into play but there are numerous opportunities based on the special circumstances of Aboriginal People.

 

[Front-Rower]

Why don't you start by showing your proof that these players do not provide other supports to the community. You made the statement. Why don't you verify your claims first. Then I will answer your question.

And please don’t tell me that they visit communities, kids in need etc etc..that’s great and it’s really important work but that’s not their cause in this instance. Their cause, as far as I understand, is that the national anthem gives no recognition to the first people.

 

[typicalfan]

And please don’t tell me that they visit communities, kids in need etc etc..that’s great and it’s really important work but that’s not their cause in this instance. Their cause, as far as I understand, is that the national anthem gives no recognition to the first people.

Do you know whether or not if they have done or contributed more to this issue than simply not singing the anthem?

 

[Canard]

Of course he is....

Just another sanctimonious wanker, telling the rest of us what we should do.

You mean, exactly like @magpie4ever?

 

[Canard]

Don't take offence at this question but do you have some sort of intellectual disability?

You've confused me with Trent Robinson