Players refusing to sing the National anthem in protest

[avocado]

Seriously the government should get Paul Kelly to write a new one.

 

[carcharias]

Seriously the government should get Paul Kelly to write a new one.

He could redo the 20 verses in how to make gravy.

 

[avocado]

He could redo the 20 verses in how to make gravy.

Ah. Best Christmas song ever written.

PK would nail a new anthem.

 

[carcharias]

He could
He should

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2011...le-things-big-things-grow/2855942?pfmredir=sm

Gather round people let me tell you're a story
An eight year long story of power and pride
British Lord Vestey and Vincent Lingiarri
Were opposite men on opposite sides
Vestey was fat with money and muscle
Beef was his business, broad was his door
Vincent was lean and spoke very little
He had no bank balance, hard dirt was his floor
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Gurindji were working for nothing but rations
Where once they had gathered the wealth of the land
Daily the pressure got tighter and tighter
Gurindju decided they must make a stand
They picked up their swags and started off walking
At Wattie Creek they sat themselves down
Now it don't sound like much but it sure got tongues talking
Back at the homestead and then in the town
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Vestey man said I'll double your wages
Seven quid a week you'll have in your hand
Vincent said uh-huh we're not talking about wages
We're sitting right here till we get our land
Vestey man roared and Vestey man thundered
You don't stand the chance of a cinder in snow
Vince said if we fall others are rising
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Then Vincent Lingiarri boarded an aeroplane
Landed in Sydney, big city of lights
And daily he went round softly speaking his story
To all kinds of men from all walks of life
And Vincent sat down with big politicians
This affair they told him is a matter of state
Let us sort it out, your people are hungry
Vincent said no thanks, we know how to wait
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Then Vincent Lingiarri returned in an aeroplane
Back to his country once more to sit down
And he told his people let the stars keep on turning
We have friends in the south, in the cities and towns
Eight years went by, eight long years of waiting
Till one day a tall stranger appeared in the land
And he came with lawyers and he came with great ceremony
And through Vincent's fingers poured a handful of sand
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
That was the story of Vincent Lingairri
But this is the story of something much more
How power and privilege can not move a people
Who know where they stand and stand in the law
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow

 

[avocado]

He could
He should

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2011...le-things-big-things-grow/2855942?pfmredir=sm

Gather round people let me tell you're a story
An eight year long story of power and pride
British Lord Vestey and Vincent Lingiarri
Were opposite men on opposite sides
Vestey was fat with money and muscle
Beef was his business, broad was his door
Vincent was lean and spoke very little
He had no bank balance, hard dirt was his floor
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Gurindji were working for nothing but rations
Where once they had gathered the wealth of the land
Daily the pressure got tighter and tighter
Gurindju decided they must make a stand
They picked up their swags and started off walking
At Wattie Creek they sat themselves down
Now it don't sound like much but it sure got tongues talking
Back at the homestead and then in the town
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Vestey man said I'll double your wages
Seven quid a week you'll have in your hand
Vincent said uh-huh we're not talking about wages
We're sitting right here till we get our land
Vestey man roared and Vestey man thundered
You don't stand the chance of a cinder in snow
Vince said if we fall others are rising
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Then Vincent Lingiarri boarded an aeroplane
Landed in Sydney, big city of lights
And daily he went round softly speaking his story
To all kinds of men from all walks of life
And Vincent sat down with big politicians
This affair they told him is a matter of state
Let us sort it out, your people are hungry
Vincent said no thanks, we know how to wait
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
Then Vincent Lingiarri returned in an aeroplane
Back to his country once more to sit down
And he told his people let the stars keep on turning
We have friends in the south, in the cities and towns
Eight years went by, eight long years of waiting
Till one day a tall stranger appeared in the land
And he came with lawyers and he came with great ceremony
And through Vincent's fingers poured a handful of sand
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
That was the story of Vincent Lingairri
But this is the story of something much more
How power and privilege can not move a people
Who know where they stand and stand in the law
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow
From little things big things grow

We have a winner.

 

[Perth Red]

It also should make mention of the Italians, Greeks, Chinese and Vietnamese who have helped shape our country and culture. Also Serbs. Germans too. And the Lebanese. Who hasn’t had a kebab at 3am?
Going to be about twenty verses in there.

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We already do recognise all immigrants

Paragraph 2:
For those who've come across the seas, we've boundless plains to share

 

[myrrh ken]

We already do recognise all immigrants

Paragraph 2:
For those who've come across the seas, we've boundless plains to share

Pity we dont share land rights with the locals

 

[firechild]

Pity we dont share land rights with the locals

There are various land rights acts that do just that.

 

[SBD82]

There are various land rights acts that do just that.

Although I’d argue it was over simplistic, I believe that was his point.

 

[Valheru]

Is it that hard to understand how it offends the indigenous first Australians?

Seriously?

Give me one good reason why the song should not mention the indigenous people.

That doesn't answer my question at all

I never said it shouldn't, doesn't bother me. If a majority of people want it changed I'll go with it but if not I'm ok with that too. Would you be content to follow a majority even if it didn't go the way you view it?

 

[Valheru]

Interestingly, from what i can see, no.

A lot of them are archaic violent battle anthems about how their country was founded.

Nz probably comes the closest in recognising indigenous through language but the words arent inclusive.

Still, doesnt mean we shouldnt change it. It is symbolic of the shit efforts we've put in to recognise and locals

The NZ one is an interesting case study as it has been mentioned as the gold standard on here. Now I know nothing about it beyond the name of it and the fact it has one of the verses in a Maori language but a quick Google search shows it is not too dissimilar to the Australian one.

Written in the 1870s.
Written by a white immigrant.
By its nature it is a western cultural song (Christian god).

It does mention "all creeds and races" in one verse as well as the verse translated to Maori. Other than that I see no reason how it is any more inclusive than ours.

It is of course a better and more uplifting melody.

 

[carcharias]

That doesn't answer my question at all

I never said it shouldn't, doesn't bother me. If a majority of people want it changed I'll go with it but if not I'm ok with that too. Would you be content to follow a majority even if it didn't go the way you view it?

Well I gave up answering questions from people who clearly can’t see or just wont admit that the song doesn’t acknowledge indigenous people.

None of them can give us one good reason why it should stay the same.

 

[myrrh ken]

The NZ one is an interesting case study as it has been mentioned as the gold standard on here. Now I know nothing about it beyond the name of it and the fact it has one of the verses in a Maori language but a quick Google search shows it is not too dissimilar to the Australian one.

Written in the 1870s.
Written by a white immigrant.
By its nature it is a western cultural song (Christian god).

It does mention "all creeds and races" in one verse as well as the verse translated to Maori. Other than that I see no reason how it is any more inclusive than ours.

It is of course a better and more uplifting melody.

Its doesnt have a line thats specifically exclusionary.

 

[Valheru]

Its doesnt have a line thats specifically exclusionary.

I'm not convinced advance Australia fair does

 

[soc123_au]

Iron Maiden - Run to the Hills should be every countries anthem. Covers Invaders & Conquered, nice & inclusive.

 

[DC_fan]

Walker hasn’t been the same player since he become an activist.

 

[no name]

Walker hasn’t been the same player since he become an activist.

He hasn’t sung the song in years, there was a point made of it after the All Stars.

He didn’t ‘become an activist’, before Origin 1, he was asked a question.

If anyone thinks that the anthem stuff played any part in any underperformance in game 1, I think you are misguided.

The non singing of the anthem isn’t anything new to Walker.

 

[DC_fan]

He hasn’t sung the song in years, there was a point made of it after the All Stars.

He didn’t ‘become an activist’, before Origin 1, he was asked a question.

If anyone thinks that the anthem stuff played any part in any underperformance in game 1, I think you are misguided.

The non singing of the anthem isn’t anything new to Walker.

Thank you for your information. Whilst the non-singing of the anthem by Walker and the reason why is probably something he made a decision on sometime ago, it is a new piece of information for the general public to digest. I suppose what I am getting at is that most people did not know he didn’t sing the anthem, or if they did why he didn't sing it. I am not sure about anyone else here but I don’t keep track of who sings or doesn’t sing the anthem when a camera moves along the players. Blame the media if you wish for bringing the topic up, but regardless it was.

 

[carcharias]

Thank you for your information. Whilst the non-singing of the anthem by Walker and the reason why is probably something he made a decision on sometime ago, it is a new piece of information for the general public to digest. I suppose what I am getting at is that most people did not know he didn’t sing the anthem, or if they did why he didn't sing it. I am not sure about anyone else here but I don’t keep track of who sings or doesn’t sing the anthem when a camera moves along the players. Blame the media if you wish for bringing the topic up, but regardless it was.

It was in the media before too.

Not sure he is “refusing” to sing it as it is not compulsory.
He just doesn’t sing it.
Plenty of white fellas don’t sing it either.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

I'm a whitey and I don't sing the anthem either.

I've got a terrible voice.