PNG bid for NRL

[East Coast Tiger]

No, you completely miss the point.

The NRL needs to decide WHERE to expand to. The Australian television networks will be willing to pay MORE money for the rights if we expand into Perth, QLD, or even Gosford, as OPPOSED to PNG. You add a side in any of the areas and there's an extra 50 million to the TV deal. You add a side from PNG the Australian TV networks bidding for broadcasting rights won't even bat an eyelid. PNG TV networks aren't going to pay 50 million for TV rights, and that's what we lose by not expanding to a more sensible area.

First of all, no one is saying PNG will get a team in 2014 or 15. Even they don't expect to. Secondly, NO franchise will add $50m to the deal. That seems to be some kind of random figure you have just made up. But the PNG side WILL add a substantial amount to NRL revenue. In fact it is a whole new revenue stream, ie PNG TV rights, that no other club can offer. You seem to think the NRL is only concerned about money that comes from Australian TV companies. They don't care where the money comes from. That's why they are happy to take millions from New Zealand. PNG will offer the same.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

I'll answer that when you answer my question from a few pages over

And what nonsensical question was that? By the way, I don't need you to answer a question about whether the A League is worth more to soccer than the old NSL with all of its traditional clubs because the answer is obvious. I was just pointing out how ludicrous your reference to soccer and the worth of historical teams is.

 

[WireMan]

No, you completely miss the point.

The NRL needs to decide WHERE to expand to. The Australian television networks will be willing to pay MORE money for the rights if we expand into Perth, QLD, or even Gosford, as OPPOSED to PNG. You add a side in any of the areas and there's an extra 50 million to the TV deal. You add a side from PNG the Australian TV networks bidding for broadcasting rights won't even bat an eyelid. PNG TV networks aren't going to pay 50 million for TV rights, and that's what we lose by not expanding to a more sensible area.

Why would "expansion" to Brisbane or Gosford add extra to a tv deal? Are there are mass of people who don't already have access to the sport or an interest in the sport who are suddenly going to become consumers?

There are lots of reasons not to drop a team into PNG, but tv revenue is not one of them.

 

[nqcowboy87]

They can do it. Right now.

have you ever been to png, just a question

 

[beave]

Don't bother asking him that, you won't get an answer as he will deflect it to something else like 'it's in the bid' or 'go and read the bid'.............

 

[Eels Dude]

First of all, no one is saying PNG will get a team in 2014 or 15. Even they don't expect to. Secondly, NO franchise will add $50m to the deal. That seems to be some kind of random figure you have just made up. But the PNG side WILL add a substantial amount to NRL revenue. In fact it is a whole new revenue stream, ie PNG TV rights, that no other club can offer. You seem to think the NRL is only concerned about money that comes from Australian TV companies. They don't care where the money comes from. That's why they are happy to take millions from New Zealand. PNG will offer the same.

Well if we're talking about current expansion then we ARE talking 2014 or 2015... there's no point talking about "what if's" in the future. That's hypothetical in relation to television rights and what not. At this current point in time.

So if you agree that we're not talking about a side in 2014 and 2015 then we can have a chat about this in 10 years when it actually realistic. By that stage inflation will have occured and a new franchise could command an extra 100 million.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Don't bother asking him that, you won't get an answer as he will deflect it to something else like 'it's in the bid' or 'go and read the bid'.............

And then you will tell us the people of PNG aren't developed enough to make decsions for their own country and you're a white man from western society and you know better. Even though there are people in North Queensland who live in exactly the same kind of third world conditions some people in PNG do. But they are swept under the carpet.

 

[beave]

yeah, about .0005 percent of the NQ population you nuffy as apposed to about 95% of PNG's population living in squalor. There is nothing swept under the carpet up here, WTF are you on about???

So answer the question, have you been to PNG and seen the poverty first hand?

 

[Perth Red]

If PNG TV deal can deliver what the NZ TV deal offers ie $10mill+ a year then fair enough they deserve a shot if they can get all the other criteria sorted. But they can't, it won't and PNG remains a pipedream. Maybe Fiji should be putting in a bid as well?

 

[Perth Red]

And then you will tell us the people of PNG aren't developed enough to make decsions for their own country and you're a white man from western society and you know better. Even though there are people in North Queensland who live in exactly the same kind of third world conditions some people in PNG do. But they are swept under the carpet.

Can you explain why the PNG bid has continually relied on "white men" to run it?

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Well if we're talking about current expansion then we ARE talking 2014 or 2015... there's no point talking about "what if's" in the future. That's hypothetical in relation to television rights and what not. At this current point in time.

So if you agree that we're not talking about a side in 2014 and 2015 then we can have a chat about this in 10 years when it actually realistic. By that stage inflation will have occured and a new franchise could command an extra 100 million.

More made up fanciful figures. The NRL rights haven't even been sold for 1 billion and you think a new franchise will ADD $100,000,000?

The point is, for PNG to begin to do the work it needs to do it has to get the green light as soon as possible. That is what it is asking for. Your apporach is exactly the kind of short-sighted bullshit the NRL dishes up all the time. "It's not happening in the next year or two so who cares" approach. In fact I'm starting to think you're David Gallop.

 

[Eels Dude]

Why would "expansion" to Brisbane or Gosford add extra to a tv deal? Are there are mass of people who don't already have access to the sport or an interest in the sport who are suddenly going to become consumers?

There are lots of reasons not to drop a team into PNG, but tv revenue is not one of them.

The more sides in dominant rugby league markets the better. Sydney has enough. Another side in QLD means you could potentially have a 4 games each week involving QLD teams which creates extra interest for the Sunshine state. Personally I'd rather the Bears get in for nostalgia stake but a 4th QLD side would be better for the NRL financially wise.

And we shouldn't be looking at a reason NOT to drop a side into PNG... But moreso a reason to TO.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

yeah, about .0005 percent of the NQ population you nuffy as apposed to about 95% of PNG's population living in squalor. There is nothing swept under the carpet up here, WTF are you on about???

So answer the question, have you been to PNG and seen the poverty first hand?

What is your solution to this poverty? Because the PNG government see an NRL side as a very important part of the development of their country. Economically and socially. People like you want to deny them that opportunity so you can forever say "look, they are poor". It's a catch 22. People like you want to prevent the very thing the government there is trying to use to help its people. Why? Because you think you, a foreigner, can tell this sovereign nation how to run its affairs. Meanwhile there are people on your own doorstep living in third world conditions and you just blow that off as an insignificant issue. If you can't solve the problems in your own backyard you have even less right to impose your will on people from another country.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

If PNG TV deal can deliver what the NZ TV deal offers ie $10mill+ a year then fair enough they deserve a shot if they can get all the other criteria sorted. But they can't, it won't and PNG remains a pipedream. Maybe Fiji should be putting in a bid as well?

The PNG bid team have covered every angle. They WILL deliver what NZ does. It's guaranteed in the bid. Along with every other issue.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Can you explain why the PNG bid has continually relied on "white men" to run it?

It hasn't. Do you know who is on the bid team?

 

[BunniesMan]

First of all, no one is saying PNG will get a team in 2014 or 15. Even they don't expect to.

Then wtf are you arguing with everybody about? Few people, if any, have said PNG can NEVER have a team. We're just saying there not ready for the next expansion cycle. It seems like you (and the bid, according to you) agree. So again...why are you arguing....

Secondly, NO franchise will add $50m to the deal. That seems to be some kind of random figure you have just made up. But the PNG side WILL add a substantial amount to NRL revenue. In fact it is a whole new revenue stream, ie PNG TV rights, that no other club can offer. You seem to think the NRL is only concerned about money that comes from Australian TV companies. They don't care where the money comes from. That's why they are happy to take millions from New Zealand. PNG will offer the same.

You're not helping your credibility by comparing New Zealand and PNG. There is a bit of a difference between the two economically...

And a few more facts about PNG that you seem ignorant of.

There are only two tv stations in PNG, only one of which is commercial. TV coverage in PNG is mostly limited to Port Moresby and provincial capital cities, and 80% of their population lives in rural areas (meaning: not those cities).

All facts, all found here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1246074.stm

PNG is not ready for an NRL team in the near future. That is all any of us are arguing.

 

[Eels Dude]

More made up fanciful figures. The NRL rights haven't even been sold for 1 billion and you think a new franchise will ADD $100,000,000?

The point is, for PNG to begin to do the work it needs to do it has to get the green light as soon as possible. That is what it is asking for. Your apporach is exactly the kind of short-sighted bullshit the NRL dishes up all the time. "It's not happening in the next year or two so who cares" approach. In fact I'm starting to think you're David Gallop.

Uh I was talking about 20 to 30 years down the track when the results of inflation will means that's realistic. About the same kind where a PNG side in the NRL is realistic but I guess you didn't understand that bit.

You're looking at this very selfishly... like the NRL should give PNG the green light with a promise to admit them if they do certain things. Expansion shouldn't work that way, and empty promises like that should not be made. Because if all doesn't go to plan, then what next?

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Uh I was talking about 20 to 30 years down the track when the results of inflation will means that's realistic. About the same kind where a PNG side in the NRL is realistic but I guess you didn't understand that bit.

You're looking at this very selfishly... like the NRL should give PNG the green light with a promise to admit them if they do certain things. Expansion shouldn't work that way, and empty promises like that should not be made. Because if all doesn't go to plan, then what next?

If the NRL gave PNG the green light now it would be more than ready to compete by the end of the decade. But no green light means they can't move forward with the process. There is no risk from the NRL's point of view. Everything the big promises WILL happen. It just needs to be ticked off. The NRL could even let them in in 2020 with provisions they have to meet along the way and it would be enough to set the ball rolling. They could review the decison in 2015 or 2017 and if they aren't on track they could delay them for as long as is necessary. But the must be given a reason to do the work. What it takes is FORESIGHT, something Gallop, the NRL and rugby league people in general are completely lacking.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Then wtf are you arguing with everybody about? Few people, if any, have said PNG can NEVER have a team. We're just saying there not ready for the next expansion cycle. It seems like you (and the bid, according to you) agree. So again...why are you arguing....
You're not helping your credibility by comparing New Zealand and PNG. There is a bit of a difference between the two economically...

And a few more facts about PNG that you seem ignorant of.

There are only two tv stations in PNG, only one of which is commercial. TV coverage in PNG is mostly limited to Port Moresby and provincial capital cities, and 80% of their population lives in rural areas (meaning: not those cities).

All facts, all found here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1246074.stm

PNG is not ready for an NRL team in the near future. That is all any of us are arguing.

I know the facts. And I ALSO know the facts about the bid. It's all in the bid. All of this has already been covered. It's done. The bid is waaaaaaaay ahead of all of you. You only need one TV company to cover the game and if the money is there the deal is done. And the money is there.

 

[Desert Qlder]

What is your solution to this poverty? Because the PNG government see an NRL side as a very important part of the development of their country. Economically and socially. People like you want to deny them that opportunity so you can forever say "look, they are poor". It's a catch 22. People like you want to prevent the very thing the government there is trying to use to help its people. Why? Because you think you, a foreigner, can tell this sovereign nation how to run its affairs. Meanwhile there are people on your own doorstep living in third world conditions and you just blow that off as an insignificant issue. If you can't solve the problems in your own backyard you have even less right to impose your will on people from another country.

You sound like the Melbourne undergraduates who have such fervent opinions on and solutions to all things Central Australia.

Your optimism is to be admired but you don't really know what you are talking about. Stick to fighting fights in which you can contribute, such as in Country Rugby League issues.