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Canard

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It's brought up as an emotive issue when discussing all the 4 newly admitted teams in 1995, because it's a tangible thing.

But if clubs didn't play for it directly, they were going to pay for it indirectly. The costs don't just disappear.

Travel costs would account for about 1% of total operations in 2023.

It's a non issue, move on
 

BuffaloRules

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If that’s true it shows how much bs gets peddled on this forum (Perth offering to pay travel costs to get in)

He makes it sound like it was some underhanded ploy the ARL sprang on them a week before the first game or something…

They had 4 teams bidding for what was supposed to be only 2 spots … they weren’t desperate to have Perth in at the time and it was a big shock they were admitted …

If Perth said to the ARL .we want in, but .you have to pay the travel costs … the ARL would have just said thanks for your interest but we will look elsewhere …. The Reds had to offer this to be considered…
 

Wb1234

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He makes it sound like it was some underhanded ploy the ARL sprang on them a week before the first game or something…

They had 4 teams bidding for what was supposed to be only 2 spots … they weren’t desperate to have Perth in at the time and it was a big shock they were admitted …

If Perth said to the ARL .we want in, but .you have to pay the travel costs … the ARL would have just said thanks for your interest but we will look elsewhere …. The Reds had to offer this to be considered…
So 100 percent that’s true ?
 

docbrown

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I think it's quaint that you think the NRL is this well organised.

But more to the point, when have the NRL given two shits what the public think of expansion or any of there operations for that matter?
I'm talking from personal experience here. This is 100% the NRL market testing a thought bubble.
 

AlwaysGreen

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The madness of this bid.

Its funding is reliant on a promise by a politician! Ffs, you're trusting a politician?

Its home base will be in another country!

It will produce more players, yet in th 48 years since PNG's independence you can count the number of NRL standard players on 2 hands. And that is being very generous.

Get of the pipe, this is the worst idea in rugby league history.
 

docbrown

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The madness of this bid.

Its funding is reliant on a promise by a politician! Ffs, you're trusting a politician?

Its home base will be in another country!

It will produce more players, yet in th 48 years since PNG's independence you can count the number of NRL standard players on 2 hands. And that is being very generous.

Get of the pipe, this is the worst idea in rugby league history.
There's pros and cons with the bid. Honestly, there's far more important media markets to be conquered than PNG. Perth, Adelaide, New Zealand and Melbourne are far richer and more valuable.

However, we're also not entirely privy to the deals that the Australian and PNG governments are offering. If there's a long term deed of agreement in place with a financial penalty for either government breaking the deal then it's more than just a mere promise.

I've been in PNG before for several months. I know how poor and dangerous it can be. But when you go to even the remote villages, there's pretty much only one form of entertainment and it's rugby league. It's just that nobody is going there to support the best players long term like we do with Australian prospects.
 

NRLMad

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I like that. - I think I said something similar.
we need to take back Nth Sydney and Mosman.
it will be the richest club. Great for manly, roosters competition. Brings in two good new stories at once Bears and PNG.
Then to nz2 and Perth.
So PNG Bears playing 4 games at North Sydney oval?
 

BuffaloRules

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However, we're also not entirely privy to the deals that the Australian and PNG governments are offering. If there's a long term deed of agreement in place with a financial penalty for either government breaking the deal then it's more than just a mere promise.

Like the Vic Govt did with the Comm games? And that was hundreds of millions that had to be paid .. any such penalties here would be chicken feed ..
 

Canard

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The only way to guarantee this would be for it to be entrenched in the constitution.

So should we hold a referendum on funding an NRL team in PNG?
 

Canard

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Like the Vic Govt did with the Comm games? And that was hundreds of millions that had to be paid .. any such penalties here would be chicken feed ..
Not to mention, the Govt is the dominant party in this arrangement, they aren't going to be held hostage by the pissant PNG NRL team, when they control all the funding.
 

docbrown

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Like the Vic Govt did with the Comm games? And that was hundreds of millions that had to be paid .. any such penalties here would be chicken feed ..
Yes the Victorian government had to pay out for a contract breach. Similar would apply here. The NRL would have a case to sue for a loss of earnings from being unable to meet its broadcast commitments. So the chicken feed would be the potential loss of future earnings, which i would argue is around $50 million minimum annually combining sponsorship, gates and broadcast. If it's a 10 or 20 year contract you're talking $500 million to $1 billiion. There's no way this is being done on a handshake promise.

Also any future Australian government that ends the deal and causes the club to get axed will earn the ire of the PNG government at a time when we're worried about Chinese airbases and naval bases being built there. It's international relations suicide.

Honestly, the government deal is the least of my worries about this.
 

NRLMad

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This bid is about the feel good factor, and giving back. It will work for several reasons

1 Government funding $15-$20 million making it viable option & diplomacy in the region. It’s been talked about for years and so it makes absolute sense.

2 Fan base - population of 7 million people. The obvious statement is to say is that the country is poor this could be said for many countries in the world. There are people who run businesses and that are successful. These people will support the team and so the people who don’t have that luxury.

3 Alignment with another strong brand if they join with North Sydney Bears in a combined bid, this would be a crate, outcome because it allows us to do 1,2 above & bring back a key market in the Sydney area. We don’t want a team to be based out of North Sydney permanently 12 games per year. We want a team to represent Nth Sydney. it’s highly unlikely that the people of North, Sydney and surrounds will reject a PNG association.

4 Juniors and players - PJ will bring in a huge market of new untapped potential that will either fill their NRL team, other NRL teams or super league teams. Looking at talent that we have in the RL from the PNG region alone, suggests that we with the NRL talent within the next 10 to 15 years.

5 International rugby league - currently we have three teams talk to realistically England, Australia and New Zealand fairly competitive. However the next level is slowly coming higher in PNG, Samoa Tonga, Fiji. a team in the NRL will probably have at least 50-60% PNG based players and we good thing for the international team adding this to the other teams and other representation you’re talking to 30+ NRL standard players were playing every week

6 Access to funding other than PNG funding - by aligning with North Sydney, they’re opening up one of the biggest commercial markets in Australia. The Bears company have $10-$12 million in cash alone. Thousands of companies exist in the Nth Sydney area, including my company. I wouldn’t underestimate their ability to get sponsorship on the feel good factor. by alining with the North Sydney Bears, they will be one of the largest and most financially backed clubs in the NRL. Natural competitors would be the roosters and the sea Eagles that would be sold out in minutes for their four games per year

There's pros and cons with the bid. Honestly, there's far more important media markets to be conquered than PNG. Perth, Adelaide, New Zealand and Melbourne are far richer and more valuable.

However, we're also not entirely privy to the deals that the Australian and PNG governments are offering. If there's a long term deed of agreement in place with a financial penalty for either government breaking the deal then it's more than just a mere promise.

I've been in PNG before for several months. I know how poor and dangerous it can be. But when you go to even the remote villages, there's pretty much only one form of entertainment and it's rugby league. It's just that nobody is going there to support the best players long term like we do with Australian prospects.
 

BuffaloRules

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Yes the Victorian government had to pay out for a contract breach. Similar would apply here. The NRL would have a case to sue for a loss of earnings from being unable to meet its broadcast commitments. So the chicken feed would be the potential loss of future earnings, which i would argue is around $50 million minimum annually combining sponsorship, gates and broadcast. If it's a 10 or 20 year contract you're talking $500 million to $1 billiion. There's no way this is being done on a handshake promise.

Also any future Australian government that ends the deal and causes the club to get axed will earn the ire of the PNG government at a time when we're worried about Chinese airbases and naval bases being built there. It's international relations suicide.

Honestly, the government deal is the least of my worries about this.

Im sure there would be a contractual maximum figure in respect on how much the federal Govt would pay to get out of the deal…
 

Canard

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Yes the Victorian government had to pay out for a contract breach. Similar would apply here. The NRL would have a case to sue for a loss of earnings from being unable to meet its broadcast commitments. So the chicken feed would be the potential loss of future earnings, which i would argue is around $50 million minimum annually combining sponsorsquhip, gates and broadcast. If it's a 10 or 20 year contract you're talking $500 million to $1 billiion. There's no way this is being done on a handshake promise.

Also any future Australian government that ends the deal and causes the club to get axed will earn the ire of the PNG government at a time when we're worried about Chinese airbases and naval bases being built there. It's international relations suicide.

Honestly, the government deal is the least of my worries about this.
Quite frankly, this is the biggest load of horseshit I've read on this topic so far.

The NRL is reliant on the government for funding, not the other way around, there broadcast agreements are not there issue.

The government can't, and won't sign a contract that has a $1B breach clause. This would be the most one sided contract in history.

You think Peter "Potato" Dutton cares about risking the ire of PNG?
 

Canard

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This bid is about the feel good factor, and giving back. It will work for several reasons

1 Government funding $15-$20 million making it viable option & diplomacy in the region. It’s been talked about for years and so it makes absolute sense.

2 Fan base - population of 7 million people. The obvious statement is to say is that the country is poor this could be said for many countries in the world. There are people who run businesses and that are successful. These people will support the team and so the people who don’t have that luxury.

3 Alignment with another strong brand if they join with North Sydney Bears in a combined bid, this would be a crate, outcome because it allows us to do 1,2 above & bring back a key market in the Sydney area. We don’t want a team to be based out of North Sydney permanently 12 games per year. We want a team to represent Nth Sydney. it’s highly unlikely that the people of North, Sydney and surrounds will reject a PNG association.

4 Juniors and players - PJ will bring in a huge market of new untapped potential that will either fill their NRL team, other NRL teams or super league teams. Looking at talent that we have in the RL from the PNG region alone, suggests that we with the NRL talent within the next 10 to 15 years.

5 International rugby league - currently we have three teams talk to realistically England, Australia and New Zealand fairly competitive. However the next level is slowly coming higher in PNG, Samoa Tonga, Fiji. a team in the NRL will probably have at least 50-60% PNG based players and we good thing for the international team adding this to the other teams and other representation you’re talking to 30+ NRL standard players were playing every week

6 Access to funding other than PNG funding - by aligning with North Sydney, they’re opening up one of the biggest commercial markets in Australia. The Bears company have $10-$12 million in cash alone. Thousands of companies exist in the Nth Sydney area, including my company. I wouldn’t underestimate their ability to get sponsorship on the feel good factor. by alining with the North Sydney Bears, they will be one of the largest and most financially backed clubs in the NRL. Natural competitors would be the roosters and the sea Eagles that would be sold out in minutes for their four games per year
So the government will fund a back-door entry of the Bears back into the comp?

f**k off.

People also forget that in a time of huge CoL pressure this idea will be electoral poison.
 

docbrown

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Im sure there would be a contractual maximum figure in respect on how much the federal Govt would pay to get out of the deal…
The payouts are set at different amounts based on time. Victoria cancelled the bid when they did because they risked paying more if they cancel closer to the event.

If a government cancels support after the PNG team starts playing and then the NRL can't meet its broadcast commitments, the government will be on the hook to make up the difference. It's that simple.
 

Canard

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Im sure there would be a contractual maximum figure in respect on how much the federal Govt would pay to get out of the deal…
The govt holds all the cards they aren't agreeing on penalties, that's not how government funding works.

With the recent Tas Stadium, they are funding $250M max, no more, no less.
 

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