PNG's back.

[Iamback]

There's no way this team gets made with government funding without a formal contract and that includes a breach clause for loss of future earnings. It's a standard business practice. I can't believe I have to explain this to people.

This.

PNG wouldn't be my choice next but the NRL
are money hungry and wanting to extend the pie.

There is no way the next team in is chosen without a very strong business case/funding behind them.

They don't want to bail out anyone simple really. If PNG bid lacks such clauses then they will admit someone else.

 

[Iamback]

Even if it’s 10 years and they get the full $200m… will it be worth it?

I would prefer them funding development academies and trying to improve their playing stocks first ….

depends the flow on. You think the PNG government side of things would be the upgrade things like Training complex. School improvements

SA has professional sports in a country just as bad, I don't see it as possible but it isn't like there isn't examples of how it can work

 

[BuffaloRules]

depends the flow on. You think the PNG government side of things would be the upgrade things like Training complex. School improvements

SA has professional sports in a country just as bad, I don't see it as possible but it isn't like there isn't examples of how it can work

SA - South Africa ?

Their GDP per capita is three times PNG whilst having a population Of 60 Million…. They are a behemoth in comparison…

They also have the benefit of decades of professionalism in sports like cricket, rugby and soccer

 

[Iamback]

SA - South Africa ?

Their GDP per capita is three times PNG whilst having a population Of 60 Million…. They are a behemoth in comparison…

They also have the benefit of decades of professionalism in sports like cricket, rugby and soccer

Since countries started touring again they haven't had many if any issues with tourist/athletes.

Surely PNG can get Port Moresby up to that level in the 10-15 years or whatever would be for.

Again I wouldn't go there next but that would surely be part of the conversation

 

[Maximus]

The deal is $20m per annum over 10 years. Australia provides hundreds of millions to PNG each year.

Development cooperation

- Accountability and governance
- Climate change and humanitarian
- Defence cooperation
- Economic
- Education
- Election support
- Gender
- Health
- Infrastructure
- Justice, Defence, Law and order
- Subnational development

I'm not seeing the part that talks about professional sporting teams.

 

[Canard]

Haha, f**k me.

Imagine the PNG govt spending money on a "Centre of Excellence", whilst people are without running water and electricity.

Talk about gross misuse of public funds.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh look at this magnificent crowd in png for Fiji vs Cook Islands

 

[Maximus]

Haha, f**k me.

Imagine the PNG govt spending money on a "Centre of Excellence", whilst people are without running water and electricity.

Talk about gross misuse of public funds.

40% live below the poverty line, but hey, they get a new stadium and facilities for elite sportspeople.

 

[Perth Red]

I’ve worked with govt funded programs since coming to Australia, of course they are contracts and a govt can’t just walk away from them Without penalty.
However they are also always time limited and usually a 3-5 year max period. Getting any thing longer past treasury is incredibly difficult as the bureaucrats don’t like to see incumbent govt saddle possible different future govt’s with big anchors.
The idea of a ten year funding contract would be very unusual in canberra.

the funding for fiji union Is a 4 year period which is much more normal for govt.

PNG is a nice idea but is fundamentally flawed sadly. If we were like the afl and in a position to fund expansion teams from the central pot if they needed it then PNG, With a big start up fund from govt, would be an exciting option, but it would require us to accept when the govt money ran out the nrl would need to pick up the tab. That’s not what the nrl does so png would likely always have a limited shelf life dependent on govt largesse.

 

[Perth Red]

40% live below the poverty line, but hey, they get a new stadium and facilities for elite sportspeople.

I think the two test matches were tickets have actually been set by nrl, and are at a more realistic nrl level needed for revenue shows there just ist a big population in Port Moresby with money to spend on watching top RL. First match looked about 6k, this one I’d be surprised if its much over 4k.

 

[Canard]

I’ve worked with govt funded programs since coming to Australia, of course they are contracts and a govt can’t just walk away from them Without penalty.
However they are also always time limited and usually a 3-5 year max period. Getting any thing longer past treasury is incredibly difficult as the bureaucrats don’t like to see incumbent govt saddle possible different future govt’s with big anchors.
The idea of a ten year funding contract would be very unusual in canberra.

PNG is a nice idea but is fundamentally flawed sadly. If we were like the afl and in a position to fund expansion teams from the central pot if they needed it then PNG, With a big start up fund from govt, would be an exciting option, but it would require us to accept when the govt money ran out the nrl would need to pick up the tab. That’s not what the nrl does so png would likely always have a limited shelf life dependent on govt largesse.

Not to mention that $20M in 10 years time is substantially less then in 2023.

Unless the Govt contract was going to include rise and fall provisions, which I doubt given the Feds have told Tassie you get $250M flat and no more regardless of how much the stadium cost blows out to.

 

[Perth Red]

- Accountability and governance
- Climate change and humanitarian
- Defence cooperation
- Economic
- Education
- Election support
- Gender
- Health
- Infrastructure
- Justice, Defence, Law and order
- Subnational development

I'm not seeing the part that talks about professional sporting teams.

Funding for PI sport comes out of a different pot. It is all funded under the pacificaus sports budget which is a different area to overseas aid.

https://www.pacificaussports.gov.au/

 

[Perth Red]

Not to mention that $20M in 10 years time is substantially less then in 2023.

Unless the Govt contract was going to include rise and fall provisions, which I doubt given the Feds have told Tassie you get $250M flat and no more regardless of how much the stadium cost blows out to.

Govt’s rarely include inflation increases. Used to really sht me, I’ve had multiple contracts over ten years that stayed at same annual amount meaning we had to do same for less in real terms.

 

[Canard]

Govt’s rarely include inflation increases. Used to really sht me, I’ve had multiple contracts over ten years that stayed at same annual amount meaning we had to do same for less in real terms.

Especially in this era, it's a huge reduction in real terms

 

[Wb1234]

Govt’s rarely include inflation increases. Used to really sht me, I’ve had multiple contracts over ten years that stayed at same annual amount meaning we had to do same for less in real terms.

Didn’t you just say govts don’t like to sign contracts over ten years

look I don’t mind you making stuff up but at least be consistent with the bs

 

[Canard]

Didn’t you just say govts don’t like to sign contracts over ten years

look I don’t mind you making stuff up but at least be consistent with the bs

I assume he means rolling annual contract, which is usually the most government's will agree to.

 

[Perth Red]

Didn’t you just say govts don’t like to sign contracts over ten years

look I don’t mind you making stuff up but at least be consistent with the bs

I said multiple contracts ie we got a contract and had it extended a number of times. I’ve never heard of a ten Year govt funding contract.

 

[Perth Red]

I assume he means rolling annual contract, which is usually the most government's will agree to.

3 years is the norm max, 4-5=years is the most I’ve ever seen. Not unusual for different govt’s to keep contracts going under a preferred tender system but treasury keeps a very close eye on such things.

Also not unusual for a new govt to not renew contracts the previous govt put in place. I’ve seen some effective great programs closed down for no good reason other than it was a previous govt’s idea.

 

[docbrown]

Didn’t you just say govts don’t like to sign contracts over ten years

look I don’t mind you making stuff up but at least be consistent with the bs

Governments sign a mixture of rolling, one off and long term contracts. Long term contracts usually have things like progress check points in them at regular periods to make sure both parties are meeting the terms. But if we didn't have long term contracts no major infrastructure that takes a decade or more to complete would ever get done. Think AUKUS or Western Sydney Airport. They're multi decade deals to ensure long term corporate investment and security. Perth Red is talking out of his arse as usual.

 

[Wb1234]

Governments sign a mixture of rolling, one off and long term contracts. Long term contracts usually have things like progress check points in them at regular periods to make sure both parties are meeting the terms. But if we didn't have long term contracts no major infrastructure that takes a decade or more to complete would ever get done. Think AUKUS or Western Sydney Airport. They're multi decade deals to ensure long term corporate investment and security. Perth Red is talking out of his arse as usual.

Oh yeh they had to build the new western airport in 3 years because govts can’t sign longer contacts

excellent point