PNG's back.

[Perth Red]

Thats completely correct, reds did do well, its just about timing right now, and whos in a better position to feed the other teams bids, we are not talking a direct pathways from png to perth, we are talking about perth building a squad from all the players from around the league, and png having a previous presence to that, which should help, imagine by the time perth comes in, lets say 2029, and 2026 png had started, theyd have had 3 years of juniors floating around the league that could be one or two in every clubs top30, or maybe the reserve grades, either way those numbers boost enough for perth to attract 12million dollars worth of talent away from penrith , cronulla, brisbane etc and no one is really effected, as png, dolphins, storm aswell as other clubs who are just now capitalising on running junior development will boost the overall player pool

Sounds great, I think the concern is that PNG is so underdeveloped across so much that its hard to see a plethora of U20's talent floating to the NRL clubs attention in a few year time span. It might happen but itd need something drastic to happen. Clubs are lazy and generally dont look very far for talent as we continually see. To think we'll see loads of NRl scouts descend on PNG to watch and cherry pick Jnrs seems a bit unrealistic. If a PNG NRL side has 5 first grade players in its starting 20 man squad with ten years would be a good achievement, likewise Perth.

If player development and depth was really the objective and a major concern for NRl when it comes to expansion there is so much they could be doing, and I dont mean camps in Vegas!

 

[Wb1234]

Sounds great, I think the concern is that PNG is so underdeveloped across so much that its hard to see a plethora of U20's talent floating to the NRL clubs attention in a few year time span. It might happen but itd need something drastic to happen. Clubs are lazy and generally dont look very far for talent as we continually see. To think we'll see loads of NRl scouts descend on PNG to watch and cherry pick Jnrs seems a bit unrealistic. If a PNG NRL side has 5 first grade players in its starting 20 man squad with ten years would be a good achievement, likewise Perth.

If player development and depth was really the objective and a major concern for NRl when it comes to expansion there is so much they could be doing, and I dont mean camps in Vegas!

Png just defeated a team full of Fijian nrl players

 

[Bukowski]

still no answer. So you are basing an argument on something you have no idea about. Righto.

He's a troll. Stick to the posters who want a discussion. Bar him, the last few pages have been really good.

 

[Perth Red]

You and your Perth mates weaken the case for a Perth team by dumb arguments

I could argue for a Perth team far better than you lot

juniors and tv ratings are a black hole for Perth

saying anything different is nonsense

Mate you are making stupid arguments in the total abscence of any knowledge. If you want to talk about dumb arguments just look at your last 3 posts!

 

[MugaB]

How many first grade players do you think an NRL club brings through each year?

Depends on the clubs, i garner Penrith debut atleast 2-4, and also depends on how well the reserve grade sides are, and whos leaving to vacate a spot, aka jimmy maloney leaves to esl, jerome luai takes his place as a example, then you have guys like isaiah katoa who is stting behind nathan cleary in below reserve grade, getting debuts at the dolphins etc, this stuff happens at all clubs, morso at Penrith as they are a development club

 

[Wb1234]

Mate you are making stupid arguments in the total abscence of any knowledge. If you want to talk about dumb arguments just look at your last 3 posts!

Keep talking Perth up The way you do

its turned 90 percent of the forum against a Perth nrl side

 

[Wb1234]

Depends on the clubs, i garner Penrith debut atleast 2-4, and also depends on how well the reserve grade sides are, and whos leaving to vacate a spot, aka jimmy maloney leaves to esl, jerome luai takes his place as a example, then you have guys like isaiah katoa who is stting behind nathan cleary in below reserve grade, getting debuts at the dolphins etc, this stuff happens at all clubs, morso at Penrith as they are a development club

But if all clubs are like Penrith the numbers produced would be way more

 

[Perth Red]

Png just defeated a team full of Fijian nrl players

Werent most of them trained in Australia? No one is saying there isnt talent or potential. Its just hard to see them being the goldmine for all clubs MugaB seems to think or that at anytime soon they will have a team in NRL made of locally developed players.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Neither does Perth. Not many Polynesians playing AFL here. Lots playing union and league though.

You do realise union is a rival to league, right?

There's 12k registered RU players in WA versius 4.1k for RL.

 

[MugaB]

But if all clubs are like Penrith the numbers produced would be way more

Correct, i did say "it happens at all clubs but morso at Penrith"
Look at ronald volkman, just signed for the dragons, perfect example of a halfback, not able to get a run, sittng behind, luke keary, then shaun johnson, now he has a chance at dragons, its all about spots open, perth will provide spots open, no issue about that, and theyll have money to spend... but there needs to be a willing ronald volkman to venture out west, or sit behind shaun Johnson amd wait it out.... PNG players, even reserve grade players should fill all these voids, the money a new club wherever it is, will attract a stalwart to them, and a cheaper rough around the edges png player can plug that void left behind...
Clubs like a cheaper option, so they can overpay their marquees to stay

 

[Wb1234]

Werent most of them trained in Australia? No one is saying there isnt talent or potential. Its just hard to see them being the goldmine for all clubs MugaB seems to think or that at anytime soon they will have a team in NRL made of locally developed players.

Nz players in the nrl after the success of the warriors replicated

 

[Wb1234]

Correct, i did say "it happens at all clubs but morso at Penrith"

Penrith and Brisbane

then meh

then Melbourne

 

[Perth Red]

Penrith and Brisbane

then meh

then Melbourne

Melbourne debut into first grade more players than pretty much any club. They are the epitome of quality Jnr scouting for a club.

 

[Wb1234]

Melbourne debut into first grade more players than pretty much any club.

Surrogate qld and nz club

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Population in Australia, plus rugby is a rigid sport, too many fickle rules, not exactly fun... the only draw card was the wallabies, now theyre pretty underwhelming... its basically on life support, especially after eddie jones got the flick

I think the Wallabies lost public support when the Socceroos qualified for the WC by beating Uruguay in 2005. People adopted the Socceroos as their "national" football team because soccer is a truly global game. It's kind of ironic because union figureheads like Fitzsimmons predicted that soccer and union would kill league and fumbleball due to their "global" footprint. It turned out there's only enough room for one "global" football code. Soccer has that market cornered.

 

[Perth Red]

Surrogate qld and nz club

Irrelevant, its about finding the best 16 year olds and turning them into first grade NRL players. Melbourne do that better than most of the NRL. They dont go leeching off first grade squads after players have been developed by other clubs nearly half as much as most.

 

[Perth Red]

You do realise union is a rival to league, right?

There's 12k registered RU players in WA versius 4.1k for RL.

Easier game to play and neglect of a sport will do that. We had 10k players in a city half the size till NRL upped sticks and left.

 

[Wb1234]

Irrelevant, its about finding the best 16 year olds and turning them into first grade NRL players. Melbourne do that better than most of the NRL. They dont go leeching off first grade squads after players have been developed of other clubs nearly half as much as most.

That’s why Perth shouldn’t get a team

it’s not irrelevant

if your club can’t meaningfully grow its own juniors it doesn’t deserve a spot at the table

 

[Bukowski]

Easier game to play and neglect of a sport will do that. We had 10k players in a city half the size till NRL upped sticks and left.

I'm yet to meet Kiwi who doesn't follow both league and union. Give them an NRL club and a lot of union players switch to playing league straight away.

 

[MugaB]

Werent most of them trained in Australia? No one is saying there isnt talent or potential. Its just hard to see them being the goldmine for all clubs MugaB seems to think or that at anytime soon they will have a team in NRL made of locally developed players.

I don't think they'll get a Whole team of locally png only players, i can only see them like the same guise as the warriors, but its the system the clubs run like, where players drift in and out, if you see the comings and goings of reserve graders, its amazing how many start at Penrith, Newcastle or Wests, its like a revolving door, we just got daine lauire back from the tigers, he is a better player after leaving too, i reckon any team that has the potential to develop, must do it, as it will only help them in the long run, salary cap wise too its genuinely easier to keep juniors at a minimum wage longer and extend them like Penrith do now, than to juggle a deck of 5 aces along with the rest of the team royals, instead you should be paying your marquees as leaders, and have the aces and juniors, and they slowly become aces that get traded in for more juniors etc