PNG's back.

[Bukowski]

Melbourne is an attractive place to live though, especially as an NRL player who is out of the lime light and getting paid handsomely. They might slide a bit when Bellamy leaves but I doubt they will be down for long.

They have been death riden for years, making people look like morons.

 

[Perth Red]

Wont take that long... but the bulldogs are setting up penrith v2.0, they already have started their junior programs, just like the one gould set up in penrith 10 years ago, it will probably be another 3 years before they are going to see the fruits tho

Again thats my point. What Gould is doing isnt about getting more kids playing RL, its about taking the best of them and putting them into better elite systems. Particpation rates are only a small part of the equation. No one has yet been able to show my any real data of how many kids you need playing RL in a clubs catchment to deliver on succesful nrl first grade outcomes (or even what that means!). Largely because it is far far less about that and much much more about scouting the best talent and putting it into really high quality development systems. What Gould is setting up is those systems, the number of kids playing RL in the Canterbury catchment will remain the same.

2 of the biggest jnr participation areas in the country have also been 2 of the worse performing NRL clubs of recent times. Thats why PNG isnt a certainty just because they have lots of kids playing the game.

 

[Perth Red]

Cowboys don't have two salary caps to work with. Nor were they given $100m by News Ltd over 20 years.

Which city produces more born and bred NRL players: Townsville or Melbourne?

Probably Rl heartland, but Melbourne produce more NRL first graders. Which when it comes to talent dilution is the really important stat. They arent out poaching other clubs developed players like clubs like the Cowboys. Good to see two Storm players in Cowboys squad. nice we are developing for rest of the league as well

Dont get me wrong Storm have been very negligent of developing Victorian talent, as has ARLC in increasing participation in the region. It'll be interesting to see what impact the Storms change of local development direction has on first grade player numbers from Vic over the next few years.

What the Reds strategy was all those years ago is the way forward for any new expansion area. That would have paid massive dividends in terms of talent production if SL hadnt happened.

 

[Iamback]

Again thats my point. What Gould is doing isnt about getting more kids playing RL, its about taking the best of them and putting them into better elite systems. Particpation rates are only a small part of the equation. No one has yet been able to show my any real data of how many kids you need playing RL in a clubs catchment to deliver on succesful nrl first grade outcomes (or even what that means!). Largely because it is far far less about that and much much more about scouting the best talent and putting it into really high quality development systems. What Gould is setting up is those systems, the number of kids playing RL in the Canterbury catchment will remain the same.

Again numbers mean nothing. It is about getting a bigger pool of players capable of playing NRL.

You could have 10,000 juniors if they are all u6's then you are just wasting resources

 

[Perth Red]

Again numbers mean nothing. It is about getting a bigger pool of players capable of playing NRL.

You could have 10,000 juniors if they are all u6's then you are just wasting resources

Exactly! Numbers are less relevant than systems. You need a certain number, as yet to be ascertained, to pick the cream of but if the quality and systems arent any good its irrelevant. Why 3,500 kids playing RL in Perth should be enough if the systems are right. Or PNG should be alright, but only if the decent systems are in place. Numbers dont matter as much as people on here like to think. Most NRL clubs would have 4-6k kids max playing in their catchment area,

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Melbourne is an attractive place to live though, especially as an NRL player who is out of the lime light and getting paid handsomely. They might slide a bit when Bellamy leaves but I doubt they will be down for long.

Why have so many Melbournians emigrated to SEQ over the last 40 years?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Again thats my point. What Gould is doing isnt about getting more kids playing RL, its about taking the best of them and putting them into better elite systems. Particpation rates are only a small part of the equation. No one has yet been able to show my any real data of how many kids you need playing RL in a clubs catchment to deliver on succesful nrl first grade outcomes (or even what that means!). Largely because it is far far less about that and much much more about scouting the best talent and putting it into really high quality development systems. What Gould is setting up is those systems, the number of kids playing RL in the Canterbury catchment will remain the same.

2 of the biggest jnr participation areas in the country have also been 2 of the worse performing NRL clubs of recent times. Thats why PNG isnt a certainty just because they have lots of kids playing the game.

The best athletes in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth are busy playing fumbleball.

The Goodwin brothers grew up playing RL in Perth because they emigrated there -- from NSW -- when their older brother played for the Reds.

Good luck convincing the most athletic children from Melbourne and Perth to turn down an offers from the local AwFuL clubs. The "stars" they grow up watching are fumbleball players who I've never heard of, but they know these blokes because their local media talks them up.

 

[Canard]

Same could be said for Perth though. They used to run a SG Ball team.

Of course they leave. There is no fulltime opportunity in PNG, same reason WA juniors come East if they want a career

Learn to read.

PNG players will immediately leave, regardless of an NRL team, because they are always going to find an AU based team more attractive. It will easily be the hardest team to recruit and retain players for.

 

[Canard]

Well i brought that up coz, Townsville have a lot of area to cover, most are not well off, like the demographics of western sydney (which i live in too)
and there's plenty of players in those areas,
PNG is just like them, just 20 years behind, took 20 years for the cowboys to win a GF, took Penrith 25, and both areas provide the comp with bucket load of players every year, im not talking 1st grade either, its reserve graders too

How many bongs do you hit daily?

PNG is just like FNQ 20 years ago? That's the dumbest statement I've read on this forum.

PNG is 200 years behind anywhere in Australia, maybe even more.

 

[Canard]

Everything is cyclical, Penrith are on top now, but they won't be forever.

 

[Canard]

The best athletes in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth are busy playing fumbleball.

The Goodwin brothers grew up playing RL in Perth because they emigrated there -- from NSW -- when their older brother played for the Reds.

Good luck convincing the most athletic children from Melbourne and Perth to turn down an offers from the local AwFuL clubs. The "stars" they grow up watching are fumbleball players who I've never heard of, but they know these blokes because their local media talks them up.

Yet more, Rugby League is so shit that it could never attract people.

You and your chums are the most anti-RL people on this forum.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Probably Rl heartland, but Melbourne produce more NRL first graders. Which when it comes to talent dilution is the really important stat. They arent out poaching other clubs developed players like clubs like the Cowboys. Good to see two Storm players in Cowboys squad. nice we are developing for rest of the league as well

Dont get me wrong Storm have been very negligent of developing Victorian talent, as has ARLC in increasing participation in the region. It'll be interesting to see what impact the Storms change of local development direction has on first grade player numbers from Vic over the next few years.

Wikipedia says Townsville has produced 44 born and bred first grade rugby league players. Some of whom were poached by the Storm.

Category:Rugby league players from Townsville - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Melbourne has produced 18 players who were born in the city and gone on to play in the Queensland Cup or higher, but most of them grew up in Queensland and NSW.

Category:Rugby league players from Melbourne - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What the Reds strategy was all those years ago is the way forward for any new expansion area. That would have paid massive dividends in terms of talent production if SL hadnt happened.

If it wasn't for Super League then the Reds wouldn't have been able to finish the 1996 season. The club was spending more money than it made from football operations.

 

[Canard]

Every NRL team has access to every junior in Australia.

The presence or lack thereof of an NRL team is irrelevant.

The Storm are guilty of having a good recruitment officer/s. They had this before Bellyache.

Ten times more QLDers head south and play for Sydney clubs then the Storm every year.

Yet the forum f**kwit is consumed by @Perth Red and has turned into @Wb1234 lackey and can't think straight.

 

[Iamback]

Learn to read.

PNG players will immediately leave, regardless of an NRL team, because they are always going to find an AU based team more attractive. It will easily be the hardest team to recruit and retain players for.

Not everyone wants to move away from family, Though that is the issue with all Regional sides in the game... Lucky the have already started developing juniors

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Everything is cyclical, Penrith are on top now, but they won't be forever.

False. We are now the Madrid of this league. The Bayern Munich. In 10 years we will have the highest crowd average in the NRL. All of Australian sport in 20. By 2050 we will have over 30 premierships.

This isn’t a point in a cycle. This is a new world order.

 

[Wb1234]

Well i brought that up coz, Townsville have a lot of area to cover, most are not well off, like the demographics of western sydney (which i live in too)
and there's plenty of players in those areas,
PNG is just like them, just 20 years behind, took 20 years for the cowboys to win a GF, took Penrith 25, and both areas provide the comp with bucket load of players every year, im not talking 1st grade either, its reserve graders too

Exactly

Townsville in 95 was even an isolated backwater and the cowboys managed fine

and that’s without 600 million big ones

 

[Iamback]

Exactly! Numbers are less relevant than systems. You need a certain number, as yet to be ascertained, to pick the cream of but if the quality and systems arent any good its irrelevant. Why 3,500 kids playing RL in Perth should be enough if the systems are right. Or PNG should be alright, but only if the decent systems are in place. Numbers dont matter as much as people on here like to think. Most NRL clubs would have 4-6k kids max playing in their catchment area,

3,500 players in Perth total isn't 3,500 that are suitable for NRL. I'd take those in A Grade out, you need the number for those 12-18 years old

Then you take the top 10% of that into the elite programs. Then you have maybe 1% that becomes NRL standard.

Then you need that to constantly happen.

Except every clubs has moved into areas outside their catchment as well.

Roosters have added 28 clubs in Central Coast. Have the Fiji Jersey Flegg team feeding into their player pool

Penrith despite being the Biggest. Have 108 teams in Western NSW.

Storm have added the Bears system to theirs

And so on

 

[Perth Red]

Why have so many Melbournians emigrated to SEQ over the last 40 years?

They like pssing in their stadium seat?

 

[Perth Red]

The best athletes in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth are busy playing fumbleball.

The Goodwin brothers grew up playing RL in Perth because they emigrated there -- from NSW -- when their older brother played for the Reds.

Good luck convincing the most athletic children from Melbourne and Perth to turn down an offers from the local AwFuL clubs. The "stars" they grow up watching are fumbleball players who I've never heard of, but they know these blokes because their local media talks them up.

Its almost like it hasnt worked the other way round in Qlnd lol Why are kids in Qlnd playing AFL instead of RL? Some kids prefer one sport over another, for a variety of reasons. Hardly breaking news! What we have seen is in perth we have gone from 10k players to 4k players due to not having a club. So maybe an NRL club does make a difference???

 

[Perth Red]

Wikipedia says Townsville has produced 44 born and bred first grade rugby league players. Some of whom were poached by the Storm.

Category:Rugby league players from Townsville - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Melbourne has produced 18 players who were born in the city and gone on to play in the Queensland Cup or higher, but most of them grew up in Queensland and NSW.

Category:Rugby league players from Melbourne - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If it wasn't for Super League then the Reds wouldn't have been able to finish the 1996 season. The club was spending more money than it made from football operations.

44 is that all lol. Thats a bit shthouse for Rl heartland.