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PNG's back.

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Not all clubs are created equal mate.
PNG will be at a significant disadvantage because most of its fans won't have the resources to actively support the club. If they were to field a team next year then a fan in Port Moresby would need to pay $78 per month on a Digicel subscription to watch the team play. A full season ticketed membership would cost anywhere between $150 and $2,499 if they followed the Broncos model. The National Football Stadium in Port Moresby can only accommodate about 15k people. That's not much money they can make from ticketing.
 

Wb1234

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You said PNG will generate the same amount as the Cowboys between 1995-1999.

In order to do that they would need to generate more than every Sydney club during that time frame.

If PNG could generate that much then why the need for $25m Gov funding?
Like the storm

give the new club every chance of success

their starting point will Likely be an nrl grant of 19.5 million against a salary cap of 12.5 million

clubs are no longer reliant upon game day revenue to survive

with their sponsorship portfolio the club will be profitable even if game day revenue is half an Aussie club (clubs like the sharks and manly have said they make barely any money playing at their current home grounds)

again you don’t even know what corporate game day revenue they will make you d assumed it’s zero
 

Colk

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Why do you hate it? Because it's bigger than Rugby League in Australia?
Why hate a sport?
Because it's all hype and no substance. The fans are delusional and AwFuL lies through its arse to make the game seem bigger than it is. The sanctimonious shit from the fans and media partners is built on lies and cover-ups of the bad shit they get up to on and off the field. The recent drug scandal has exposed it.
 

Colk

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Because it's all hype and no substance. The fans are delusional and AwFuL lies through its arse to make the game seem bigger than it is. The sanctimonious shit from the fans and media partners is built on lies and cover-ups of the bad shit they get up to on and off the field. The recent drug scandal has exposed it.

To be fair Rugby League does as well. We are more honest with our dealings on crises (mainly because we are forced to be more transparent by the media) but we do beat our chest about s*** as well.

It’s just the most aesthetically displeasing sport I have had the misfortune to come across
 
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Like the storm

give the new club every chance of success

their starting point will Likely be an nrl grant of 19.5 million against a salary cap of 12.5 million

clubs are no longer reliant upon game day revenue to survive

with their sponsorship portfolio the club will be profitable even if game day revenue is half an Aussie club (clubs like the sharks and manly have said they make barely any money playing at their current home grounds)

again you don’t even know what corporate game day revenue they will make you d assumed it’s zero
What is their sponsorship portfolio?

The Aus Gov mustn't think much of PNG's ability to generate revenue from football operations. They're willing to spend $25m per annum on the football team. That's the sort of revenue that the 2nd to 5th largest clubs in the NRL generate from football operations.

Why would the Aus Gov spend this much on the team if it has a large portfolio of sponsors?

Cowboys and Dolphins generate over $10m each from sponsorship. Only the Broncos made more last year. Their total from sponsorship was $14,652,283.

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How do you expect the club to generate significant revenue from a stadium that has a capacity of 15k with limited corporate boxes?
 

Wb1234

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What is their sponsorship portfolio?

The Aus Gov mustn't think much of PNG's ability to generate revenue from football operations. They're willing to spend $25m per annum on the football team. That's the sort of revenue that the 2nd to 5th largest clubs in the NRL generate from football operations.

Why would the Aus Gov spend this much on the team if it has a large portfolio of sponsors?

Cowboys and Dolphins generate over $10m each from sponsorship. Only the Broncos made more last year. Their total from sponsorship was $14,652,283.

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How do you expect the club to generate significant revenue from a stadium that has a capacity of 15k with limited corporate boxes?
I told you it’s like the storm

Andrew hill, the guy whose actually putting the bid together has said his bid won’t actually need govt funding

So you think he’s blatantly lieing then. ?
 

The Great Dane

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How much will they spend?

Small clubs like Canberra generate about $4.5m from sponsorship. Larger clubs generate $10m or more. I cannot see greedy multinationals spending more than they have to on PNG.
The Raiders are handicapped by circumstance, so it's not really a fair comparison.

The Raiders do the best they can with what they've got available to them, but they're always going to be behind the Eightball on FC revenue when you consider basic factors like the amount and quality of boxes and hospo options available to them at Bruce stadium, the amount of passive and promotional support they get from the NRL compared to other clubs (f**king none lol), the competitive nature of the market they operate in, etc, etc. Just is what it is.

It's frankly impressive that they do as well as they do considering the circumstances, most other clubs couldn't have navigated it like they have, but they're basically stuck until they can get a new stadium with better facilities and more hoarding, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
 

Wb1234

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The Raiders are handicapped by circumstance, so it's not really a fair comparison.

The Raiders do the best they can with what they've got available to them, but they're always going to be behind the Eightball on FC revenue when you consider basic factors like the amount and quality of boxes and hospo options available to them at Bruce stadium, the amount of passive and promotional support they get from the NRL compared to other clubs (f**king none lol), the competitive nature of the market they operate in, etc, etc. Just is what it is.

It's frankly impressive that they do as well as they do considering the circumstances, most other clubs couldn't have navigated it like they have, but they're basically stuck until they can get a new stadium with better facilities and more hoarding, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Yep because no other city has competition against other sports
 

Wb1234

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The Raiders are handicapped by circumstance, so it's not really a fair comparison.

The Raiders do the best they can with what they've got available to them, but they're always going to be behind the Eightball on FC revenue when you consider basic factors like the amount and quality of boxes and hospo options available to them at Bruce stadium, the amount of passive and promotional support they get from the NRL compared to other clubs (f**king none lol), the competitive nature of the market they operate in, etc, etc. Just is what it is.

It's frankly impressive that they do as well as they do considering the circumstances, most other clubs couldn't have navigated it like they have, but they're basically stuck until they can get a new stadium with better facilities and more hoarding, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
 
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I told you it’s like the storm

Andrew hill, the guy whose actually putting the bid together has said his bid won’t actually need govt funding

So you think he’s blatantly lieing then. ?
Michael Searle said all sorts of things, too. The Titans went bust under his model.
 
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The Raiders are handicapped by circumstance, so it's not really a fair comparison.

The Raiders do the best they can with what they've got available to them, but they're always going to be behind the Eightball on FC revenue when you consider basic factors like the amount and quality of boxes and hospo options available to them at Bruce stadium, the amount of passive and promotional support they get from the NRL compared to other clubs (f**king none lol), the competitive nature of the market they operate in, etc, etc. Just is what it is.

It's frankly impressive that they do as well as they do considering the circumstances, most other clubs couldn't have navigated it like they have, but they're basically stuck until they can get a new stadium with better facilities and more hoarding, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Cowboys generated more revenue from sponsorship between 1995-99 than every club bar the Broncos and Knights, despite playing out of a below par facility.
 

The Great Dane

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@Wb1234

I'll take that as a no, it wasn't what I said.

What percentage of market share would you estimate RL/the NRL holds in Townsville/NQ sports market?
 
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The Great Dane

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Cowboys generated more revenue from sponsorship between 1995-99 than every club bar the Broncos and Knights, despite playing out of a below par facility.
That's nice, it's got absolutely nothing to do with the situation the Raiders find themselves in now though.

God only knows where you're sourcing that statistic or if it's accurate given the goings on in that time period and the often dodgy way such numbers were measured and recorded at the time, but I don't really care to be honest.
 

Perth Red

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Like the storm

give the new club every chance of success

their starting point will Likely be an nrl grant of 19.5 million against a salary cap of 12.5 million

clubs are no longer reliant upon game day revenue to survive

with their sponsorship portfolio the club will be profitable even if game day revenue is half an Aussie club (clubs like the sharks and manly have said they make barely any money playing at their current home grounds)

again you don’t even know what corporate game day revenue they will make you d assumed it’s zero
Reality is they have a stadium that only holds 15k and has hardly any corporate facilities, even if they had loads of companies to throw money at them (which is highly unlikely) they dont have the facilities to sell. All this talk of them being self sustaining g is nonsense, there was a reason nrl wasn’t even considering them until they got some big money govt backing.

going to be fascinating to see how Vlandys supports them to build a competitive squad, could we be moving to an afl grant system with cap allowances thrown in to help them out?
 

Perth Red

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I told you it’s like the storm

Andrew hill, the guy whose actually putting the bid together has said his bid won’t actually need govt funding

So you think he’s blatantly lieing then. ?
lol
wb logic:
cumins is lying, just because
Hill is telling truth despite the blatanty obvious challenges such a claim has
 

Perth Red

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NRL powerbroker’s plans to introduce a Papua New Guinea franchise have been halted due to a $170 million request, with existing clubs asking for financial incentive to back the bid.

That is according to The Daily Telegraph, who are reporting initial plans between the NRL and the Australian government were to announce the 18th franchise in July.

They had originally brokered a $600 million deal that would bankroll the PNG franchise, whilst also serving as a way to strengthen international relations and reduce the threat China poses in the Pacific.

However, club bosses reportedly contacted the NRL asking what they would receive in return for backing the 18th team.

NRL clubs could reportedly be paid $60 million between them, meaning each team would receive $3.5 million as a lump sum under terms being discussed by the league.

Club powerbrokers, however, are seeking an additional $2 million for five seasons form 2028, when the PNG franchise would likely enter the comp, on top of player payments.

As it stands, ARLC commission Peter V’landys has made it clear no deal has been formally agreed on between the federal government regarding the fresh expansion bid.

“It is certainly premature. It hasn’t gone to cabinet to start with and our board hasn’t signed off on it, so there’s no agreement,” he told News Corp.

“There were discussions held during Magic Round, but each party was due to come back, again, so there’s nothing concrete at this stage.

“I was surprised as to how this speculation started, because it certainly didn’t come from the NRL, put it that way.”


Reports have also emerged prospective players who sign for the new franchise could be offered major financial incentives to join the 18th team.

Those include potential tax breaks, however rival club bosses are reportedly sceptical of that move.

“Some of the clubs may raise that but we were criticised heavily before that we should have given more incentives for the Dolphins and given them salary-cap exemptions,” V’landys said.

“Here it won’t cost them one cent. If they agree, we will be in a position to go to the clubs and show them what our plan is. We want to make sure there is sufficient time for consultation from our members.

“You have to give the clubs the opportunity to provide analysis, but I am confident that what the clubs will see, they will be happy.”

 
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