PNG's back.

[Perth Red]

I'm starting to think that they don't actually give a f**k about how successful the actual football business of new clubs is. All they seem to care about is the asset base of the owners and investors in the club. In other words, their first concern seems to be how long the people behind the club will be able to support it if things go wrong, not attempting to build the most successful football clubs possible.

The only reason they seem to be exploring these PNG/Pasifika ideas is because they seem to believe that it's possible that the government will underwrite them forevermore, which is stupid.

I think they are under enormous pressure from the tv deal they have signed and are looking desperately for these "tricks", as Vlandys so eloquently put it, to boost revenue before AFL deal kicks in in 2025 and the game and media start asking why the revenue gap is so huge and why AFL is able to invest so much in RL heartlands. Rushing a Png club launch in 2025 seems a bit too coincidental doesnt it?

Or could be election bait, election is likely mid '25, I suppose Albo in front of a PNG club game 1 early in 2025 doesnt hurt his campaign.

 

[Canard]

I think they are under enormous pressure from the tv deal they have signed and are looking desperately for these "tricks", as Vlandys so eloquently put it, to boost revenue before AFL deal kicks in in 2025 and the game and media start asking why the revenue gap is so huge and why AFL is able to invest so much in RL heartlands. Rushing a Png club launch in 2025 seems a bit too coincidental doesnt it?

Or could be election bait, election is likely mid '25, I suppose Albo in front of a PNG club game 1 early in 2025 doesnt hurt his campaign.

For mine, it does little for him politically and if anything hurts him, one of the factors that hurt ScoMo was him being perceived as the PM for NSW.

It will go over like a lead balloon in Victoria and the non-NRL states if Albo is seen to be underwriting a new NRL team.

 

[Perth Red]

For mine, it does little for him politically and if anything hurts him, one of the factors that hurt ScoMo was him being perceived as the PM for NSW.

It will go over like a lead balloon in Victoria and the non-NRL states if Albo is seen to be underwriting a new NRL team.

It'll be part of a campaign. subs and an nrl club keeping the commies at bay lol Mind you if they dont stop putting interest rates up no NRL club is going to save him.

 

[The Great Dane]

It'll be part of a campaign. subs and an nrl club keeping the commies at bay lol Mind you if they dont stop putting interest rates up no NRL club is going to save him.

Most people will just interpret that as him wasting Australian tax dollars propping up a vanity project in another country while the average Australian struggles to pay the mortgage and put food on the table.

We'll probably be in a proper global recession by 2025 (we may as well already be in one) and a PNG NRL side will do nothing to stop China's aggression in the Asia-pacific region, both of which shouldn't look great to the general public optically.

The only people that support a PNG NRL side are delusional geopolitics nerds, boof head ex footy players, and a minority of hardcore RL fans, and that's a miniscule portion of the population in reality.

 

[Pneuma]

Most people will just interpret that as him wasting Australian tax dollars propping up a vanity project in another country while the average Australian struggles to pay the mortgage and put food on the table.

We'll probably be in a proper global recession by 2025 (we may as well already be in one) and a PNG NRL side will do nothing to stop China's aggression in the Asia-pacific region, both of which shouldn't look great to the general public optically.

The only people that support a PNG NRL side are delusional geopolitics nerds, boof head ex footy players, and a minority of hardcore RL fans, and that's a miniscule portion of the population in reality.

What a delightful positive post.

 

[The Great Dane]

What a delightful positive post.

I don't care whether or not something is "positive", I care whether or not it's true, and sometimes reality isn't positive.

You can't solve an issue if you're not willing to accept that it exists because you find addressing it uncomfortable. Furthermore, you'll find the cancer much more uncomfortable once you're terminal because you ignored it and allowed it to metastasise to all your major organs.

 

[Wb1234]

I think they are under enormous pressure from the tv deal they have signed and are looking desperately for these "tricks", as Vlandys so eloquently put it, to boost revenue before AFL deal kicks in in 2025 and the game and media start asking why the revenue gap is so huge and why AFL is able to invest so much in RL heartlands. Rushing a Png club launch in 2025 seems a bit too coincidental doesnt it?

Or could be election bait, election is likely mid '25, I suppose Albo in front of a PNG club game 1 early in 2025 doesnt hurt his campaign.

You think a png team will help his election chances in Australia

now that’s cooked thinking

 

[Wb1234]

What a delightful positive post.

He specialises in negativity

 

[Perth Red]

You think a png team will help his election chances in Australia

now that’s cooked thinking

I think theres enough redneck and boomers here who buy the commies are coming line to support this hairbrain idea that a PNG NRL club will somehow fight the chinese curtain back, yes lol.

 

[Wb1234]

I think theres enough redneck and boomers here who buy the commies are coming line to support this hairbrain idea that a PNG NRL club will somehow fight the chinese curtain back, yes lol.

Interesting take

 

[MugaB]

I don't care whether or not something is "positive", I care whether or not it's true, and sometimes reality isn't positive.

You can't solve an issue if you're not willing to accept that it exists because you find addressing it uncomfortable. Furthermore, you'll find the cancer much more uncomfortable once you're terminal because you ignored it and allowed it to metastasise to all your major organs.

Nah you're just a bitter fkwit, positive/negative has nothing to do with it, your solutions might be good for other codes of the world, but they dont translate in this game or this selfish self centred world, there's way too many fingers in pies and politics in RL to implement any ideas you value or come up with, thats why your bets will always be wrong, you forget about the politis's, the gus's the PVLs of this RL world and how that all affects inclusion and expansion

 

[The Great Dane]

Nah you're just a bitter fkwit, positive/negative has nothing to do with it, your solutions might be good for other codes of the world, but they dont translate in this game or this selfish self centred world, there's way too many fingers in pies and politics in RL to implement any ideas you value or come up with, thats why your bets will always be wrong, you forget about the politis's, the gus's the PVLs of this RL world and how that all affects inclusion and expansion

Damned with faint praise lol. You probably don't even realise it as well.

I've always said that the Nick Politis' of the world would kill the sport as a commercial product if they thought it would benefit them or their clubs, so I guess we agree more or less.

I also find it funny that you more or less admit that "my" (they're not really mine for the most part, but that's neither here nor there) solutions would be better, but condemn me for not supporting the sport when it allows self interest and corruption to undermine it. It's an interesting insight into your psychology, and the difference between staunch individualist and collectivists I dare say.

Without seeming to realise it you also reaffirm the point I made in the post you're replying to as well, which is also interesting.

 

[Perth Red]

Nah you're just a bitter fkwit, positive/negative has nothing to do with it, your solutions might be good for other codes of the world, but they dont translate in this game or this selfish self centred world, there's way too many fingers in pies and politics in RL to implement any ideas you value or come up with, thats why your bets will always be wrong, you forget about the politis's, the gus's the PVLs of this RL world and how that all affects inclusion and expansion

Politis wants a national competition. He sounds a smart man. We should listen to politis.

 

[MugaB]

Damned with faint praise lol. You probably don't even realise it as well.

I've always said that the Nick Politis' of the world would kill the sport as a commercial product if they thought it would benefit them or their clubs, so I guess we agree more or less.

I also find it funny that you more or less admit that "my" (they're not really mine for the most part, but that's neither here nor there) solutions would be better, but condemn me for not supporting the sport when it allows self interest and corruption to undermine it. It's an interesting insight into your psychology, and the difference between staunch individualist and collectivists I dare say.

Without seeming to realise it you also reaffirm the point I made in the post you're replying to as well, which is also interesting.

Oh i value your theoretical analyses, just not the implementation of them, the differences of being knowledgeable and street smart, having talent vs actually applying it...
The dolphins inclusion is the best example, you basically had backed the wrong horse, because the current NRL and arlc aren't primarily driven by money, (not yet anyways), they are custodians of their roles, they are here to ensure the future of the game, no point in just expanding to the dots on the map, then have the game and club suffering when theres no player depth in those areas (gws)
Firehawks were a bad choice, just they didn't involve a broader opposition to the broncos, infact you can easily say they are a mirror image of them, but with a lesser unimpressive mascot (basically crushers 2.0)
I enjoy reading your posts on rugby league subjects, but stop after seeing the marketability side of them, not only coz its boring, but usually coz it doesn't translate to the NRL... how you dont see the bears returning dumbfounds me, i get that the club have been selfish, unfathomable rigid and immovable in their ways, but thats most leagues club operators...

 

[Colk]

Damned with faint praise lol. You probably don't even realise it as well.

I've always said that the Nick Politis' of the world would kill the sport as a commercial product if they thought it would benefit them or their clubs, so I guess we agree more or less.

I also find it funny that you more or less admit that "my" (they're not really mine for the most part, but that's neither here nor there) solutions would be better, but condemn me for not supporting the sport when it allows self interest and corruption to undermine it. It's an interesting insight into your psychology, and the difference between staunch individualist and collectivists I dare say.

Without seeming to realise it you also reaffirm the point I made in the post you're replying to as well, which is also interesting.

I’m much more worried about the influence that the Phil Gould, Andrew Johns and Paul Gallen types have. The types of people who are endlessly negative about the sport, most particularly, and oxymoronically, the actual product itself.

They are the reason why administrators and fans think we can’t be anything more than a NSW/QLD competition.

 

[Colk]

Oh i value your theoretical analyses, just not the implementation of them, the differences of being knowledgeable and street smart, having talent vs actually applying it...
The dolphins inclusion is the best example, you basically had backed the wrong horse, because the current NRL and arlc aren't primarily driven by money, (not yet anyways), they are custodians of their roles, they are here to ensure the future of the game, no point in just expanding to the dots on the map, then have the game and club suffering when theres no player depth in those areas (gws)
Firehawks were a bad choice, just they didn't involve a broader opposition to the broncos, infact you can easily say they are a mirror image of them, but with a lesser unimpressive mascot (basically crushers 2.0)
I enjoy reading your posts on rugby league subjects, but stop after seeing the marketability side of them, not only coz its boring, but usually coz it doesn't translate to the NRL... how you dont see the bears returning dumbfounds me, i get that the club have been selfish, unfathomable rigid and immovable in their ways, but thats most leagues club operators...

To be fair, he has stated that it wouldn’t surprise him (nor I as a personal aside) if the Bears returned. He just thinks, as do I, that you shouldn’t have a side representing one area officially but with aspirations of actually serving another.

 

[MugaB]

I’m much more worried about the influence that the Phil Gould, Andrew Johns and Paul Gallen types have. The types of people who are endlessly negative about the sport, most particularly, and oxymoronically, the actual product itself.

They are the reason why administrators and fans think we can’t be anything more than a NSW/QLD competition.

Gus gould is the only one of them that can make an unbais opinion on the game, but even he can get things wrong, the other two are nuffys their opinions are moot

 

[The Great Dane]

Oh i value your theoretical analyses, just not the implementation of them, the differences of being knowledgeable and street smart, having talent vs actually applying it...
The dolphins inclusion is the best example, you basically had backed the wrong horse, because the current NRL and arlc aren't primarily driven by money, (not yet anyways), they are custodians of their roles, they are here to ensure the future of the game, no point in just expanding to the dots on the map, then have the game and club suffering when theres no player depth in those areas (gws)
Firehawks were a bad choice, just they didn't involve a broader opposition to the broncos, infact you can easily say they are a mirror image of them, but with a lesser unimpressive mascot (basically crushers 2.0)
I enjoy reading your posts on rugby league subjects, but stop after seeing the marketability side of them, not only coz its boring, but usually coz it doesn't translate to the NRL... how you dont see the bears returning dumbfounds me, i get that the club are selfish unfathomable rigid and immovable in their ways, but thats most leagues club operators...

This is the biggest load of meaningless shit I've read in a while. Thanks for the laugh.

f**king 'custodians of their roles', whatever the f**k that means, 'here to ensure the future of the game', but don't care about money, growing their market share, or expanding their footprint... That makes them pretty shitty "custodians" doesn't it.

And can we stop with the BS "muh juniors" song and dance. Junior development is almost a completely sperate issue from the professional tiers. In well run modern professional leagues it is basically completely separate from the pro clubs. And you don't necessarily need a professional club active in a region to develop juniors in said region anyway. Take Bathurst for example, they don't have an NRL side, and a club based anywhere in the country could do what the Panthers have done for them, if they have a billionaire lined up to pay off their debts when it almost bankrupts them, but we don't talk about that...

BTW, what relevance street smarts has to RL administration IDK, but you know the thing about street smarts: what's smart changes depending on the streets.

 

[The Great Dane]

Gus gould is the only one of them that can make an unbais opinion on the game, but even he can get things wrong, the other two are nuffys their opinions are moot

Gus Gould unbiased LOL!

 

[The Great Dane]

I’m much more worried about the influence that the Phil Gould, Andrew Johns and Paul Gallen types have. The types of people who are endlessly negative about the sport, most particularly, and oxymoronically, the actual product itself.

They are the reason why administrators and fans think we can’t be anything more than a NSW/QLD competition.

With the exception of Johns, who's too dumb to have a well thought out opinion IMO, I include them amongst the Nick Politis' of the world.

The only difference is who would be the major beneficiaries if Gould, for example, had complete control of the game.

Same goes for your Don Furner Jr's, and especially John McIntyre, in Queanbeyan BTW.