Promotion and Relegation!

[Perth Red]

Some of the very real outcomes of relegation since SL started:

Oldham: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/not-a-happy-anniversary-1008407

Halifax: https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sp...stant-coaches-as-cost-cutting-bites-1-8177532

Bradford: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls-leaving-odsal-great-19089237

Leigh: https://www.skysports.com/rugby-lea...-special-dispensation-to-sign-players-on-loan

Widnes: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/widnes-in-administration-club-could-cease-to-exist/

Of the eleven clubs relegated since SL started nine have gone bust or had severe financial problems. Some like Cas, Hull KR, Huddersfield managed to claw there way back up quick enough to avoid it but the rest suffered badly. Only London have been relegated, gone bust and managed to rebuild to be promoted again.

But yeh its a great idea!

 

[27EELS]

Some of the very real outcomes of relegation since SL started:

Oldham: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/not-a-happy-anniversary-1008407

Halifax: https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sp...stant-coaches-as-cost-cutting-bites-1-8177532

Bradford: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls-leaving-odsal-great-19089237

Leigh: https://www.skysports.com/rugby-lea...-special-dispensation-to-sign-players-on-loan

Widnes: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/widnes-in-administration-club-could-cease-to-exist/

Of the eleven clubs relegated since SL started nine have gone bust or had severe financial problems. Some like Cas, Hull KR, Huddersfield managed to claw there way back up quick enough to avoid it but the rest suffered badly. Only London have been relegated, gone bust and managed to rebuild to be promoted again.

But yeh its a great idea!

Mate it’s no different to having your club being a feeder club either , Example is what Broncos have done to any feeder club they have used - Toowoomba Clydesdales , Kawana (Sunshine Coast) Pretty sure they went bust after Broncos involvement and Storm didn’t do North’s Devils any favours lol

Toowoomba/Darling Downs has an extremely rich Talent Pool , well they did maybe still have but no money. So yeah being a feeder club is the way to go to survive ??? Yeah right Relocation worked for AFL but it’s only played here...

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Some of the very real outcomes of relegation since SL started:

Oldham: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/not-a-happy-anniversary-1008407

Halifax: https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sp...stant-coaches-as-cost-cutting-bites-1-8177532

Bradford: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls-leaving-odsal-great-19089237

Leigh: https://www.skysports.com/rugby-lea...-special-dispensation-to-sign-players-on-loan

Widnes: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/widnes-in-administration-club-could-cease-to-exist/

Of the eleven clubs relegated since SL started nine have gone bust or had severe financial problems. Some like Cas, Hull KR, Huddersfield managed to claw there way back up quick enough to avoid it but the rest suffered badly. Only London have been relegated, gone bust and managed to rebuild to be promoted again.

But yeh its a great idea!

Well played sir!

 

[Perth Red]

Mate it’s no different to having your club being a feeder club either , Example is what Broncos have done to any feeder club they have used - Toowoomba Clydesdales , Kawana (Sunshine Coast) Pretty sure they went bust after Broncos involvement and Storm didn’t do North’s Devils any favours lol

Toowoomba/Darling Downs has an extremely rich Talent Pool , well they did maybe still have but no money. So yeah being a feeder club is the way to go to survive ??? Yeah right Relocation worked for AFL but it’s only played here...

Any references for those claims?

 

[27EELS]

Any references for those claims?

It’s Common knowledge Bud ! If U didn’t know that U must be new to this game ? Have a look at wiki I guess ... lol go for it

 

[Perth Red]

It’s Common knowledge Bud ! If U didn’t know that U must be new to this game ? Have a look at wiki I guess ... lol go for it

so thats a no then? very stallion'esk of you lol

From what I can see the escalating costs of fielding a Qlnd cup side met they had to pull the pin on that level as they were one of the few clubs without LC backing. So how did being Broncos feeder club contribute to that?

 

[tri_colours]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/09/could-the-nrl-survive-promotion-and-relegation/

found this interesting.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/09/could-the-nrl-survive-promotion-and-relegation/

found this interesting.

A roar article that supports your view? You never give up. It’s never going to happen mate. Get over it.

 

[tri_colours]

A roar article that supports your view? You never give up. It’s never going to happen mate. Get over it.

What? you only like articles that support your opinion??? negative stuff - whoever would have guessed.

The actual article gives the pros and cons of both sides.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

What? you only like articles that support your opinion??? negative stuff - whoever would have guessed.

The actual article gives the pros and cons of both sides.

Its a really poorly written article that drew bugger all responses because its flogging a dead horse.
As for negativity your narrow view of the Melbourne nrl tv market is the landmark here in pessimism.

 

[tri_colours]

Its a really poorly written article that drew bugger all responses because its flogging a dead horse.
As for negativity your narrow view of the Melbourne nrl tv market is the landmark here in pessimism.

The poorly written article drew a page full of responders.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

The poorly written article drew a page full of responders.

33 responses and half were by the author. That’s very poor by roar standards. You need to write better articles. That was pathetic.

 

[27EELS]

so thats a no then? very stallion'esk of you lol

From what I can see the escalating costs of fielding a Qlnd cup side met they had to pull the pin on that level as they were one of the few clubs without LC backing. So how did being Broncos feeder club contribute to that?

Lol yep U are more correct that I am , My apologies to U , I actually don’t have any factual evidence to prove my statements so that kinda sucks .

I do know that a lot of People were very unhappy with the Broncos as they feel that they could have done more to help them considering the Talent they fed off in their time there and their very strong History as they are a very strong Rugby League Region.

Also I don’t really know Stallion well enough to respond to You. .

 

[tri_colours]

Some of the very real outcomes of relegation since SL started:

Oldham: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/not-a-happy-anniversary-1008407

Halifax: https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sp...stant-coaches-as-cost-cutting-bites-1-8177532

Bradford: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls-leaving-odsal-great-19089237

Leigh: https://www.skysports.com/rugby-lea...-special-dispensation-to-sign-players-on-loan

Widnes: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/widnes-in-administration-club-could-cease-to-exist/

Of the eleven clubs relegated since SL started nine have gone bust or had severe financial problems. Some like Cas, Hull KR, Huddersfield managed to claw there way back up quick enough to avoid it but the rest suffered badly. Only London have been relegated, gone bust and managed to rebuild to be promoted again.

But yeh its a great idea!

Yeah it seems to be working well for the Wolfpack and Toulouse.

I think its extremely doubtful that the main competition will get past 18 teams , if it gets that far. The current teams aren't about to fall on there sword. There are a stack of teams out there wanting in , Perth, Adelaide, PNG , Brisbane 2, NZ 2 etc. So whats your idea?

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Yeah it seems to be working well for the Wolfpack and Toulouse.

I think its extremely doubtful that the main competition will get past 18 teams , if it gets that far. The current teams aren't about to fall on there sword. There are a stack of teams out there wanting in , Perth, Adelaide, PNG , Brisbane 2, NZ 2 etc. So whats your idea?

I’m sure it’s better than yours!

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah it seems to be working well for the Wolfpack and Toulouse.

I think its extremely doubtful that the main competition will get past 18 teams , if it gets that far. The current teams aren't about to fall on there sword. There are a stack of teams out there wanting in , Perth, Adelaide, PNG , Brisbane 2, NZ 2 etc. So whats your idea?

Bite the bullet; 10 year strategy to achieve- 20 teams, two conference, two Sydney teams relocated or relegated.

 

[tri_colours]

Bite the bullet; 10 year strategy to achieve- 20 teams, two conference, two Sydney teams relocated or relegated.

So basically, without the Sydney part, your suggesting what me and Stallion have been suggesting all along,

 

[Perth Red]

So basically, without the Sydney part, your suggesting what me and Stallion have been suggesting all along,

You need the sydney part to add the new clubs that are needed. Perth, Adelaide, Gosford, Brisbane2, NZ2 and a new inclusive North Sydney club.

I can see Bears getting the Adelaide license wouldn't be a bad thing. Manly to give up license and be a feeder club for the new North Sydney franchise, that leaves one Sydney club to relocate or relegate.

We would also have to accept the NRL diverting funding from other areas such as grass roots, NSWRL/QRl grants less on digital etc to pay for this.

 

[greenBV4]

Posted this in a different thread if anyone was interested:

This gave me a though that I might decide later wouldn't work but for now:

What if instead of licenses being granted to clubs they were granted to cities or states, for an 18 team example:

The Expansion Markets without a State League:
Canberra
Melbourne
Perth
Adelaide
Auckland
Wellington/South Island

Heartland Markets
8x NSW
4x QLD

(For 16 teams I'd drop either 2 NSW teams, or 1 NSW team and either Wellington or Adelaide)

The 12 teams from NSW and QLD could be selected from each respective state comp, with the GF winning team from each state cup playing the lowest ranked team from the state in the NRL in a P&R match (which if played maybe the Friday or Saturday before the GF at ANZ and Suncorp should get quite a bit of interest an a decent crowd)

Down the track if any of the other states ever get a proper state league or affiliates league up and running then they will also go into a p&r pool

It's basically a hybrid p&r system that
- Adds interest to the state comps
- Add a bit of difference to the comp every year
- Helps reconcile Sydney, while also having the potential for new NSW teams such as CC
- Dropped Sydney teams should still be able to retain their fans with hope of promotion
- Allows for a 2nd Brisbane team
- Allows Strategic expansion markets to stay safe
- TV broadcasters maintain same level of national spread regardless of p&r
- TV broadcasters get the air the 2 p&r games which should rate well and attract crowds
- Also adds more value to broadcasting some 2nd division games

To start it off I'd have the relegation year to decide what teams go down to make way for the expansion sides, then the following year the dropped teams from NSW will have their chance to make it back in

Basically it's a hybrid p&r system better suited to Australia and the current state of the game (at least I think so anyway), that allows us the get part of or the chance of everything a lot of us want in here.

I still don't know if I sold myself on it though, for now I think we are better off just going to 18 teams, with Perth being one of them, and seeing where we go from there

 

[siv]

Promotion always works

It brings hope, interest and sponsors and increases the footprint of the game

Its the impact of relegation that is the issue - if you minimise the relegation chances it will minimise the impact

Let's remember some of those clubs going bust in the ESL did so in the top league first e.g. Bradford

I am believer of a system that the team ready for promotion must be better than the wooden spoon team

But the structures need to be setup to support promotion - feeder model won't work

E.g. we need to go to 18 teams where the 2 extra teams are promoted initially

NRL clubs need to run reserve grade to remove the need for feeder clubs

NSW Cup to be restructured and RM Cup clubs promoted and NSW regional divisions added

NZ Cup setup based around Auckland and regional clubs

Then promotion would be a series where wooden spooned / QLD Cup winner / NSW Cup winner / NZ Cup winner playoff in a 3 week round robin series

Then all expansion locations can join these 3 comps and earn their right to participate

As TV and fan interest increases then grants will increase for second tier