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Pull the finger out Burt

Ron Jeremy

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I have no reason for bias toward Burt RJ. Have never met him, don't really want to. My only bias stems from wanting Hayne to earn his 3x higher contract money by performing 3x better than Burt in the same (or any) position. It hasn't happened.

And Hayne was a big reason why we didn't leak any points, not bloody Burt, you do remember that pathetic attempt at catching a bomb dont you?oh yeah it was swirling :lol: they're taught to catch those at training.


How long since you've been at the ground to see it RJ? Hayne hardly did it at all last year. Brilliant in attack at fullback in that last month yes, but no grasp yet of how to read a game the way a fullback needs to do. You can see that with how he's often lost at five-eigth even in attack so far. He's learning, and I hope he makes a better fist of it than learning centre play.

Burt will be chosen at fullback until there is a better option. At the moment there's not, let's get behind the team :D

Hayne is the better option, Burt is a liability as evident from his bomb catching and defense to his crabby returns.

He's average and depriving younger/better players of a chance like when Wade was here:crazy:

I was at games in 07 when Hayne was FB, and i heard plenty of talk, also, his talk throughout games last year at FB is well-documented.

And Bart that was biased;-)
 

Ron Jeremy

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thought his kick returns against souffs were alot stronger than usual. didn't cower like a submissive dog into the tackle. he's got my support a bit longer

I also noticed how when he doesn't catch a ball on thr full (often) he passes to a winger, wimp!
 

Ron Jeremy

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I was at the Telstra Dome for the Eels semi against Melbourne in 07...

Some of the bombs put up by Inglis had to be seen to be believed, and I never once thought Hayne was going to drop one, and he didn't.

:lol: exactly, Hayne doesn't have the problem of catching spiral bombs, but it's well documented that our little Burty does.

But hey, he's the reason for our great defense because he talks behind the line directing players:lol:
 

Ron Jeremy

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I was at the Telstra Dome for the Eels semi against Melbourne in 07...

Some of the bombs put up by Inglis had to be seen to be believed, and I never once thought Hayne was going to drop one, and he didn't.

:lol: exactly, Hayne doesn't have the problem of catching spiral bombs, but it's well documented that our little Burty does.

But hey, he's the reason for our great defense because he talks behind the line directing players:lol:
 

yy_cheng

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I am somewhere between OMC and Bazal's position here.

I thought the bomb was a difficult take. I take Colonel'spoint that not manyof fullbacks would have taken it. However I also don't believe anyone else would have come up with that apparent non-effort? ANd Burty has created a lot of baggage for himself by letting 3 or 4 (at least) bounce last year.

I also thought he was very good after that. I think he is playing smart by linking up if he line isn't broken. He is acknowledging his limitations. He has done some good things so far. He is still a good ball player and we certainly need that, and more of it, in our backline with these halves. I also think in game pressure situations he is more likely to land the big kicks than Inu.

I think Bazal makes a good point about his positional play.

He has offered two howlers, one in each game. Otherwise he has looked pretty sharp.

Would like to see more penetrating runs, more active support, more kicking. But he is going OK IMO.

The not contesting bombs cannot last though. And if someone gets a crack at 1 I'd like to see it be Joel. The most improved player in the comp and not even oplaying in his position?

Big Fella, would you think this is better for the team

1. Hayne
6. KK
14. ??

or as what you've mentioned:
1. Reddy 2. Burt 6.Hayne

or what we have now? Just like to hear your opinion.
 

oldmancraigy

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Big Fella, would you think this is better for the team

1. Hayne
6. KK
14. ??

or as what you've mentioned:
1. Reddy 2. Burt 6.Hayne

or what we have now? Just like to hear your opinion.

Did he say Burt to 2?

Just wondering...

If Burt isn't fullback, he shouldn't be in the team imo. There's no other spot for him to be frank - he can't contest the bombs in the corner against the big wingers these days.
 

The Colonel

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Did he say Burt to 2?

Just wondering...

If Burt isn't fullback, he shouldn't be in the team imo. There's no other spot for him to be frank - he can't contest the bombs in the corner against the big wingers these days.

I think you could effectively use him in the 14 jersey to get in to dummy half or push Ben Smith in to the forwards at some point during a game but yeah outside of fullback there aren't too many other spots he can be used in successfully.
 

Suitman

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I have a hazy memory of Eric Grothe once smashing him into to touch and dislocating his hip?? Is this true?? (coopers brewery are the main cause of the haziness)

I remember being stoked at the time 'cause I f**king hated him for no reason at all...

Yes, you are correct mate.
It was at the SCG, and Eric dislocated Conlons hip as he threw him over the sideline.
It was around the time that Eric was dropped from the Australian team, and replaced by Conlon because we needed a goal kicker. :x

Suity
 

Bazal

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Honestly - if you're talking about drivel, you've just contributed a significant amount of drivel to this board with your nonsense post here.

I cut out your points that were marginally fair - but the ones that remain spell A-G-E-N-D-A :roll:
The above points are hopeless.

To be perfectly honest, I was just arguing his points as I saw it on the weekend, and pointing out other players he could be bagging for the same things if not for the obvious Burt hatred. Personally (and as I've mentioned in another thread) I'd actually have Hayne playing fullback, with Burt either playing his role at 6 and dropping to the wing/fullback in defence or off the bench in Keating's role. But for the sake of the discussion here, let me address these points

On (2) - he does not return it better than Hayne. That's so stupid to suggest that it's beyond belief. He doesn't even return the ball - he waits for Grothe or Reddy to loop around behind him and then passes it to them.

Hayne is a terrible kick returner. At least Burt knows his strength in that regard is his agility and acceleration and attempts to play for that (or give it to a bigger man if he can't). Hayne, for all his talent, prances it back like a ballerina as though he's trying to sidestep so often that he confuses the defence (or himself, whichever happens first)

Which leads to (3) I completely agree that Grothe and Reddy are better suited at hitting the ball up - however, one wonders why a footballer should get a free ride. Rhys Wesser is about the same size as Luke Burt (not to mention 15 years older) - but he manages to hit the ball up one off the ruck to help out his teammates and give them a rest. Over the course of the first 2 rounds, Burt has had 2 of these mythical 'nippy dummy half runs' that you're talking about. That goes alongside his 2 hitups and 6 kick returns - for a total of 10 runs in 2 games of NRL.
Way to help out Lukey...

Wesser is a fair bit chunkier than Burt, for starters. He also has massive legs, if you look at him. So I fail to see the comparison between the two. Secondly, how have the rest of the side done over the first two rounds? It's the start of the year ffs, they're all looking for form. Fact is that Burt is never going to take an effective hitup, he's too small. His strength is dummy half running off quick play the balls and broken field running.


But on (5) you're drunk.
Go back and watch the game - there was no support, it was Best running away, Burt didn't chase, Hayne and Hindy made the running from further away, and got the job done. They showed heart on that play - Burt showed that he needs to take an attitude pill.

Hayne and Hindy had Best covered, and there were certainly Bunnies players coming through. They may not have been in an excellent position, but to hang in field and cover a Rabbitoh breaking from the pack and taking a pass or a desperation kick was good work. How many time have you seen a fullback/chaser drag a bloke into touch, and he gets a kick away that stays infield and they still score? Hell, we used to be practically specialists at doing it, especially when Hayne and Inu were on the wings.
 

Dirty Mutombo

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He appears to lack effort, but even moreso lacks intensity.

By the time Burt has switched onto a potential 40/20, high ball, half break.. everyone else on the field has already reacted.

He was there for the Hohia tackle in game one but went in so soft he just busted through. I dont think he plays at first grade level intensity unless we're on the front foot in games where Burt decides to chime in , score 28 points, and break club records.

I measure the worth of a player not on how many point records he breaks, but what he does to give his team a better chance in tough games. Burt in my opinion, has never stood up in big games.
The best games I rem him having are all as part of us flogging someone and him booting 9 goals with 3 trys.

I wouldnt have him in first grade , but i can see the thinking behind why he is. One things for sure i would not be giving him another contract. He should see out his career at Souths lol.
 

barney gumble

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I've always been a supporter of Luke. I thought it was embarrasing when Hindy ran straight past Burt to make the try saver on Colin Best though. That was Burt's tackle as the fullback. It wasn't a good look for Burt, typical evergreen Hindmarsh though.
 
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Yes, you are correct mate.
It was at the SCG, and Eric dislocated Conlons hip as he threw him over the sideline.
It was around the time that Eric was dropped from the Australian team, and replaced by Conlon because we needed a goal kicker. :x

Suity

Ha, I hope Ecca got his spot back then.......:cool:
 

Bigfella

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Big Fella, would you think this is better for the team

1. Hayne
6. KK
14. ??

or as what you've mentioned:
1. Reddy 2. Burt 6.Hayne

or what we have now? Just like to hear your opinion.

As others have alluded to since your post Chengy, no I couldn't pick Burty on the wing. I don't think he can defend in the front line anywhere TBH.
Fullback is his only option IMO.

I'd be happy with 1-6 as is with KK at 7 and give Hayne more time.

Or Reddy to 1, with one of the wing options in the lower grades to have a crack (or Hayne to wing and Mateo to 6).

I tend to agree with some of the posters later in the thread that DA may well be letting KK settle in to the top grade before swinging him into a starting spot.

Itmay well be that the real long term contest at the moment for a regular starting spot is between Burt and Finch.
 

oldmancraigy

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To be perfectly honest, I was just arguing his points as I saw it on the weekend, and pointing out other players he could be bagging for the same things if not for the obvious Burt hatred. Personally (and as I've mentioned in another thread) I'd actually have Hayne playing fullback, with Burt either playing his role at 6 and dropping to the wing/fullback in defence or off the bench in Keating's role. But for the sake of the discussion here, let me address these points



Hayne is a terrible kick returner. At least Burt knows his strength in that regard is his agility and acceleration and attempts to play for that (or give it to a bigger man if he can't). Hayne, for all his talent, prances it back like a ballerina as though he's trying to sidestep so often that he confuses the defence (or himself, whichever happens first)



Wesser is a fair bit chunkier than Burt, for starters. He also has massive legs, if you look at him. So I fail to see the comparison between the two. Secondly, how have the rest of the side done over the first two rounds? It's the start of the year ffs, they're all looking for form. Fact is that Burt is never going to take an effective hitup, he's too small. His strength is dummy half running off quick play the balls and broken field running.




Hayne and Hindy had Best covered, and there were certainly Bunnies players coming through. They may not have been in an excellent position, but to hang in field and cover a Rabbitoh breaking from the pack and taking a pass or a desperation kick was good work. How many time have you seen a fullback/chaser drag a bloke into touch, and he gets a kick away that stays infield and they still score? Hell, we used to be practically specialists at doing it, especially when Hayne and Inu were on the wings.

Ok Basal - I think we're generally on the same page re: Burt - I also don't agree with the constant bashing, but I also am completely baffled by the people who make out he can do no wrong.

I apologise for reading your original post incorrectly - I thought you were saying 'Burt could do no wrong'!!

But I completely disagree with your take on those points still :D

Burt is 88kg - Wesser is 85. Then you look at guys like Slater(88) or Stewart (86) or even Lockyer (84) - there are great fullbacks who don't tip the scales at anything more than Burt. And these guys return the ball with gusto and take hitups to ease the pressure on their teammates.
Like I say, that is clear weakness of Burt's game - so we shouldn't pretend that he actually does it (and please don't compare him to Hayne - just go and watch the "prancer" - it might look silly, but at least he makes plenty of meters and runs it into the teeth of the defence - oh, and he still makes breaks from the position).

And on the 'Best non-chase' - Burt did poorly there. Again I'd suggest that he would admit as much. Hindmarsh runs past him to make the play - Burt covers nobody inside - yes, there needs to be cover for the kick inside etc - but if you watch that play there aren't any Bunnies in the same postcode as Best (and Best hasn't kicked the ball in 12 seasons?) Best is a 'foot down for the corner' type player - the only option was to chase and stop him.
But again, cover defence isn't Burt's strength either.

I'm suggesting we stop making out as if he's an elite player - he's not. But he's good at what he does, and that kick from the sideline felt like it put the game beyond doubt on Friday night. He's probably been down on form in general play so far, but he still made a break.

But I can also sympathize with the sentiment of the original poster - 'pull your finger out' - if Burt returned the ball with some gusto and took the odd hitup, if he put in on cover defence, then suddenly we're talking about a really top level pleyer.

Difference is that I don't expect to ever see that stuff - I'll just take the support play, the odd break, the strong finishing, and I'll live with him letting bombs bounce (c'mon - the one on Friday was an excellent kick, but it's certainly not the first bomb Burt has let bounce in the in-goal...), flopping off tackles and passing to Reddy or Grothe whenever catching a kick from the opposition!
 

jk13

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I also noticed how when he doesn't catch a ball on thr full (often) he passes to a winger, wimp!

ron, at this point i'm not too concerned about burt, let him build confidence and he may return to vintage 07. but what does concern me is if he gets targeted should we make the finals
 
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