Put up or shut up, ASADA.

[blacktip-reefy]

Exactly Surely. That is why the act says ASADA have to follow the WADA code.
So if nothing has been uncovered now then there is nothing there. REmember John Faheys outburst over the dangers & the manna issue.
Its like saying police are not making arrests until their investigations are finished but the people involved are about to commit serious crimes.
On top of this, you have the alleged substances only appearing on the S0 List which was not active until 2011.
On top of that, you have to conclude that the "unknown substances are therapeutic(they have to be to fall into S0) & not just supplement or dietary(lozenges).
On top of ontop ontop you have Humanofort(thymosin beta 4) has been approved by the Romanian ministry of health for years , so it cannot fall under S0 .
No Wonder Dank wants to get ASADA into court If they get him in front of them the burden of proof is on him. Something that cannot be humanly accomplished. If he gets them in front of court, then they have the burden of proof on them & the courts will rule over anything dished up by ASADA, as the office is higher.

 

[chewsta]

Sooooo, when do the roosters start their run of bad press considering they actually tested positive to elevated levels of a ban substance. Or even Manly? seeing as though Dank was with them for years, before being with us for only a few weeks?

 

[Since 73]

ASADA have failed to explain why no charges are recommended when there is evidence, including an admission from Essendon captain Jobe Watson that he believed he was given AOD-9604 - a drug banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency. It can't be because there has not been a positive test. ASADA is as aware as anyone that the days of relying solely on positive tests are long gone and the ability to use other evidence is now the key. Lance Armstrong is a classic example.

ASADA may well be embarrassed by ambiguous advice given to the Australian Crime Commission about the status of AOD-9604, but embarrassment is also no good reason to avoid laying charges.
The players may well be undeserving of punishment, but this is relevant to determining what penalty should apply, not whether a charge should be laid. It also doesn't explain why those responsible for administering banned ElephantJuice to players are not facing charges.
If the answer is that this is only an interim report, why issue an interim report at all? Shouldn't the issue of any charges under the anti-doping code be resolved before any related disciplinary proceedings? The thoroughness of an investigation is measured not by how many witnesses you have spoken to but the extent you have pursued every avenue to get to the bottom of what happened.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ore-public-trust-in-sport-20130810-2rp5w.html



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...t-in-isport-20130810-2rp5w.html#ixzz2nm8sxmla

Im not gonna get into debating the Act as any 2 lawyers worth $50 a day could tie up the courts for 20 years arguing one point.

Using the Essendon case as a precedent it seems they are viewing Bombers/sharks players from a differnet standing point then an Armstrong or Marion Jones et al.

The sporting community at large cant cop players being forced on on hand to adhere to a code of trust and belief in their clubs highly paid specialists and then being castigated on the other hand for not being more suspicious of the same people.

This could be why Smith has jumped on the front foot and got in first to say the buck stops with the people who have the duty of care in player welfare.

If sharks/ bombers lost players..... The club suffers. The whole competition is then affected. Sponsorship is next plus supporters.

The added eventuality of any suspended player ultimately winning in court is thrown into the mix.

We wont lose any players.

 

[Since 73]

Smith's quotes included the fact the NRL ".....will not accept practices that put OUR PLAYERS at risk."
And "Clubs are obligated to......protect OUR PLAYERS..."

He is openly taking the view that the cattle all come under the protection of the governing body and woe betide any club who dares put them at risk.

Bit like sending your kid for a play at a friends place and the other parent has alcohol in a lemonade bottle in the garage. If your kid drank from the bottle......who would the finger of blame be levelled at?
Your kid?.....for making a mistake based on a level of trust in what they thought to be a safe environment.

 

[Longy]

We wont lose any players.

I believed all along that we wouldn't but now I'm not so sure.

Apparently the club had the information last week about exactly what was going to happen yesterday. I heard on Sunday and it played out exactly to what I was told.

The other information I was told was that 3 players, 2 current, one former (still playing) will go for 2 years. Not from what was done while Dank was at the club but because of what went on when they kept in contact with him.

I'm as one eyed as they come and hope it's not true but unfortunately it seems like pretty good info.

 

[Card Shark]

If players continued to see Dank after he was rissoled from the club, they only have themselves to blame.

 

[Jubileeboy]

you missed the only bit that matters.

the irony

 

[Luke Bowden]

f**k off dope , go & read the act.

You can call me any childish name you like, I have read it and you are still wrong.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

You can call me any childish name you like, I have read it and you are still wrong.

No I am not. You just dont understand it. You cant even get your frineds to explain it in a way you understand. Read the act. Read the code. See you in 2 years dope.

 

[carcharias]

the irony

Oh dear you in here again? ... Poor olive branch boy just can't help himself.
How is you highlighting the wrong section of the article ironic on my part?

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Not from what was done while Dank was at the club but because of what went on when they kept in contact with him.

That cant be the case. They have interviewed the players & there has been no infraction issued so there is no evidence.
Dank hasnt been interviewed. Last time I looked, its wasn't illegal to see Stephen Dank.
Hibbert hasnt been interviewed either, so there is nothing from him.
There is no criminal activity, so the ACC are prohibited by law under the act to pass any information onto ASADA.
Remember, Sandor Earl was interviewed & within hours was issued an infraction notice after admitting he was injected with something "he believes to be" banned. He still hasnt been sentenced & as such cannot even appeal. Thats nearly 3 months now.
I'll also add this. If ASADA has so much evidence against ANY players, why are they continually leaking to the media & offering huge discounts for assistance? You never offer discounts when you know your going to get a sale do you?

 

[carcharias]

Same as the nrl offering discounts to Flano
What is that shit?
If they had any real evidence he'd be long gone and for good.

 

[Luke Bowden]

No I am not. You just dont understand it. You cant even get your frineds to explain it in a way you understand. Read the act. Read the code. See you in 2 years dope.

I have read it, I am more then capable of interpreting it, which is clearly where you are massively struggling. I have also had it explained to me, in a practical sense, the way it is enforced, by the very people who use it everyday, the actual investigators.

You are way out of your depth, you clearly have no concept of the legal system and you are Wrong.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

I have read it, I am more then capable of interpreting it, which is clearly where you are massively struggling. I have also had it explained to me, in a practical sense, the way it is enforced, by the very people who use it everyday, the actual investigators.

You are way out of your depth, you clearly have no concept of the legal system and you are Wrong.

Oh ofcourse you have Luke. You know the postmans uncle who is a low level ASADA investigator & he explained it to you.
You havent once cited a sceric information to support your rubbish.
Now pharrkk off.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Oh ofcourse you have Luke. You know the postmans uncle who is a low level ASADA investigator & he explained it to you.
You havent once cited a sceric information to support your rubbish.
Now pharrkk off.

Not quiet, I have been working for the AFP for the past 3 years and during that time I have made many professional relationships with people from all sorts of organisations. You see, when a professional wants an understanding of how a particular piece of legislation is enforced, they contact the people who enforce it and they ask. They don't "Google" it, as you have quiet clearly done here.

I have no need to cite any "sceric" information here, as it would be quiet pointless. ASADA have the power to carry out the investigation as they see fit and that's all there is to it.

Maybe they have nothing, which I genuinely hope is the case. However, people who know a lot more about this stuff then I, suggest that the evidence to date strongly suggests otherwise.

No point sugar coating it.

 

[Jubileeboy]

Haha...Backflip - OWNED

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Oh So now your a Fed?
Well you better get your boys onto finding the leaks. If it is from ASADA the feds are charged with finding who in the commonwealth is leaking private information. AS you should well know, that is a very serious offence in Australia. Up there with treason.
If the leaks are coming from the ACC or yourselves, same same.
Why dont you get your useless ass clowns onto it & find who is leaking the information to NEWS ltd?

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Case in point Ass clown Fed:

MARTIN Kennedy is poised to become the next NRL player to receive an infraction notice as ASADA considers evidence against the Broncos prop that is more advanced than its case file against 14 past and present Sharks players.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...nfraction-notice/story-fni3gv5x-1226781050076

After the ARLC board yesterday received a detailed briefing of the NRL's internal report into Cronulla's 2011 supplement program, The Daily Telegraph learned that ASADA is preparing to swoop on Kennedy for alleged possession of banned substances.

Now the only people who are allowed to know that are ASADA right? Maybe the ACCC. It is a jailable offence for anybody in a commonwealth position to knowingly leak that information. To this day, this is the msot serious offence in the entire scandal because it is criminal.

What are your ass clown lazy pahrken stooges doing about this?

 

[Luke Bowden]

Oh So now your a Fed?
Well you better get your boys onto finding the leaks. If it is from ASADA the feds are charged with finding who in the commonwealth is leaking private information. AS you should well know, that is a very serious offence in Australia. Up there with treason.
If the leaks are coming from the ACC or yourselves, same same.
Why dont you get your useless ass clowns onto it & find who is leaking the information to NEWS ltd?

Rightio, I'm onto it, I'll charge straight into the Commissioners office tomorrow and let him know that I'm starting a massive "Treason" investigation because some nuffie on league unlimited doesn't like what the press is saying about his club.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Rightio, I'm onto it, I'll charge straight into the Commissioners office tomorrow and let him know that I'm starting a massive "Treason" investigation because some nuffie on league unlimited doesn't like what the press is saying about his club.

Ohh come on mR federal police officer!!! You can do better than that!!!!!! If you saw somebody committing an act of crime in an airport, you would jump to it right? Well here is the national press with disseminated person & private information about a member of the public. One of the biggest federal crimes in teh land!! & you do nothing???????
Oh thats right. you work for the FEDS. The 2nd laziest organisation of people in Australia.