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Put up or shut up, ASADA.

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Special K

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The whole thing just makes me numb towards the sharks. I had never looked forward to a season like this one and now I feel like our team is playing for nothing. I guess this is how storm fans felt a few years back
 

millersnose

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Lets hope they have disclosed personal private information about players to a board of directors. If they have, their game is over, as that is illegal.
I am no lawyer however I am aware a quasi official investigator can disclose confidential detail to persons provided it is under legal privalidge
The problem with that however is the accused in this case had no opportunity to either know the evidence stacked against them or to even provide a defence
 

blacktip-reefy

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I am no lawyer however I am aware a quasi official investigator can disclose confidential detail to persons provided it is under legal privalidge
The problem with that however is the accused in this case had no opportunity to either know the evidence stacked against them or to even provide a defence
Can you imagine what a court will do if evidence is heard that a former director of a football club, of no fixed address has heard personal, legal, medical information about a highly paid athlete, that the said athlete was unable to know about?
FMD heads will roll.
 

millersnose

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I have no idea

Other than kabbana did mention information had been disclosed to the board under legal privalidge

Irvine disclosing this info to the press in a leak probably makes the club liable for defamation against dank

Don't fall for this 'he didn't mention danks name' it was clearly implied and that is what matters ultimately

Dank will be able to show his income is destroyed as well as his reputation

This is a potential disaster but is an own goal

Asada is not liable as evidenced by danks kegal people not naming them in their case
 

blacktip-reefy

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I have no idea

Other than kabbana did mention information had been disclosed to the board under legal privalidge

Irvine disclosing this info to the press in a leak probably makes the club liable for defamation against dank

Don't fall for this 'he didn't mention danks name' it was clearly implied and that is what matters ultimately

Dank will be able to show his income is destroyed as well as his reputation

This is a potential disaster but is an own goal

Asada is not liable as evidenced by danks kegal people not naming them in their case
ASADA cannot be sued.
 

carcharias

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Well if that chick that hurt her head while rooting ( a light fell on it ) on a work
trip can sue ...and win
Anyone can.
 

St_Jubbsy

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Oh dear....what denial here.

I know most of you lot aren't the brightest but there have been three separate actors involved in this process: 1) the Australian Crime Commission; 2) the Federal Government; and, 3) ASADA.

This began over six months ago when the Australian Crime Commission was supplied with intelligence related to doping and match fixing in sport. It then began its intelligence gathering process and liaison with the Australian Federal Police and state law enforcement agencies. Under law, the ACC is an independent criminal intelligence organisation and not subject to the direction of the Federal Government. It decided to release the report containing a general outline of the issues raised in the intelligence it has gathered and that led to the briefing of, and subsequent press conference with, the relevant Federal Government Ministers and sporting chiefs.

ASADA is also independent of the Government as established under legislation and it must abide by that and WADA obligations. It does not act upon any direction of any Minister and it would be totally inappropriate for this to be the case.

To try and assert that this has all been invented by the Federal Government is just completely moronic and highlights a total lack of understanding of how these various agencies are legally structured. At every step where the ACC and/or ASADA have provided briefings to stakeholders, they have without exception stated that there are serious issues being alleged and these need proper investigation. For example, this has included the Federal Ministers, the NRL and AFL CEOs, the AFP Police Commissioner, relevant state law enforcement officers, the Liberal Party NSW Minister for Sport.

Do you think all of these organisations - although many of whom are not in any way subject to the influence or control of the Federal Government - are involved in this great conspiracy to take attention away from the polls?

Just on the nature of the ASADA investigation in relation to your club, it is impossible to know if it is acting efficiently or appropriately enough because only its investigators are privy to the facts it has uncovered, the witnesses they have or will interview etc. This is because it is strictly required under legislation to keep this information confidential until it proceeds to enforcement action. The timetable would also be impacted upon developments at your club such as the clubs own investigation and its enforcement action as well as the fact that players have sought and obtained their own legal advice and representation.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Oh dear....what denial here.
To try and assert that this has all been invented by the Federal Government is just completely moronic and highlights a total lack of understanding of how these various agencies are legally structured. At every step where the ACC and/or ASADA have provided briefings to stakeholders, they have without exception stated that there are serious issues being alleged and these need proper investigation. For example, this has included the Federal Ministers, the NRL and AFL CEOs, the AFP Police Commissioner, relevant state law enforcement officers, the Liberal Party NSW Minister for Sport.

And the police agencies in every federal or state jurisdiction only employ honest boy scout types & corruptiuon & illegal activities never happen from within. Also, politicians are very honest individuals and they dont select the heads of any government agencies that could in turn have to return favours to them. eg. government workers are generally a mix of voters both left & right, exactly like it is at the ABC & SBS government TV station agencies. The head of the ACC is not a labor sympathiser. The head of the ASADA agency, Andruska, has never worked for a labor agency prior & is not a career government agency worker.
 

Windy70

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The NRL faces the prospect of players being stood down on a daily or weekly basis if the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority finds sufficient evidence to charge them with using performance-enhancing drugs.
With ASADA investigators due to begin interviewing up to 14 Cronulla players this week, there is the possibility that the first doping charges will be laid soon.
NRL chief executive Dave Smith recently announced that ASADA would interview 31 current NRL players and about 10 former players, many of who are thought to be playing in the English Super League competition.
Rather than wait until ASADA has interviewed all of the players to decide which ones face charges, Fairfax Media has been told that they will begin charging individuals as soon as they have enough evidence. By doing so, the process will move at a faster pace as anti-doping hearings may be able to take place while interviews with other players continue. While it is likely to ensure weeks of bad publicity for the code, that is inevitable if players are charged and dozens of hearings are required.
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However, some clubs may have to endure the prospect of losing players on a gradual basis as they are stood down after being issued with infraction notices by the NRL.
Fairfax Media has been told that ASADA will interview the players it has the strongest cases against first, and if some players are charged quickly, it may encourage others to confess.
Under NRL anti-doping rules, players are required to submit for interviews and co-operate with the ASADA investigations or face suspension. The NRL has delegated the responsibility for investigating doping violations to ASADA, but conducts any drugs tribunal hearings that arise.
Once ASADA investigators believe they have enough evidence to charge a player, the case will be forwarded to the anti-doping rule-violation panel, comprising of lawyers, doctors and other experts, to decide whether to proceed.
If that occurs, ASADA puts the player on the register of findings and the NRL is advised to issue an infraction notice to the player.
The infraction notice will outline the mandatory penalty, which is usually two years under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines if the player is found guilty, as well as other options available to him. Among them are a reduction of up to 75 per cent if he provides substantial assistance to help ASADA build a case against someone else.
The player, who can have a lawyer or other adviser - including his parents - at the interviews, will also have the option to challenge the decision to charge him through the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan said after Saturday night's 13-6 loss to Parramatta that the drugs investigation was beginning to take a toll on his team's preparation.
After meeting with their lawyers last Thursday, the players were told that formal interviews with ASADA investigators had been requested and Flanagan said the Sharks were being limited to one full training session a week.
''We are not preparing well enough because there is too much stuff going on off the field,'' he told ABC radio. ''One session or one-and-half sessions a week is OK, but these players are distracted and you can understand why. I can't give an answer or any clarification on when it is going to be cleared up.''


Source http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/players-face-immediate-standdowns-20130407-2hf08.html
 

shaggs

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Kinda, Asada, but what about Rothfield putting the boot in, in today's paper. (Can't post a link)

He hasn't said a positive word since the equine incident. Did someone get to him??
 

Windy70

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Fairfax Media has been told that ASADA will interview the players it has the strongest cases against first, and if some players are charged quickly, it may encourage others to confess.

Apparently that is us.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Yeah I know at least one bloke that called him in the Jimmy Saville category while he was at the ground.
Piece of slime that Rothfield.
 
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Here's what the c**k smokin merkin says today. How the f**k does ths prick keep his membership


It’s become convenient for the Sharks to blame the NRL drug crisis for recent losses to St George
Illawarra and Parramatta. In the AFL, the entire Essendon club is under the same investigation. The
difference is, they’ve won two from two, including a 150-point shellacking of the Demons on Saturday night.

Carney factor


Todd Carney bumped up his value by another $100,000 a year by not playing on Saturday night against the Parramatta Eels. His absence proved the Sharks have absolutely nothing in attack while he’s not in the side.

Full court press

The ticket headed by three-time Olympian Damian Keogh is threatening to take Supreme Court action to have the upcoming Cronulla Sharks AGM postponed because of a ruling that allows the former Sydney Kings basketball legend to stand only as a director, not president.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...r-full-attention/story-fn7r8vs2-1226614413334

Should this goin the Rothfield thread?
 

The Popper

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As you probably do not realise from your throne on high, St. Jubbsy. This issue is hurting many, many people. If ASADA actually has proof then they should come forward with it. You wonder why the Federal Govt. gets mentioned? Many people see this as a ploy by the Federal Govt. to get their failures off the front page, and this has been publicly stated by some pundits. Obviously this thinking came about by as the issue was intitiated publicly by Kate Lundy. This issue has effected the wellbeing of our club (possibly costing it several million dollars) and could possibly destroy it; it has destroyed the lives of a small number of people and has negatively effected the quality of life of several thousand others. It is seen by many as yet another declaration of war by the Federal Govt. on yet another section of the Australian people. `Whatever it takes'...........our club or whatever.
Flanno, this morning, has come out in defence of our club and our players. He also attacks the heirachy of the NRL for their lack of protection for their own and their kowtowing to the Govt. bodies that are intimidating our club. He states that the AFL has afforded better protection to their club - Essendon - that was under similar fire. He also mentions the pressure has been taken off Essendon and placed on us. This could possibly be due to successful negotiation by the AFL executive with the Federal Govt. So ASADA, either put up or shut up. The issue is either destroying or effecting too many lives.
And, St,Jubbsy, you seem to be well educated..........and know doubt abhor we mere mortals, the hoi poloi, as you judge us from your throne on high. This issue is hurting many, many people. That's why I (and thousands more) say `ASADA, put up or shut up'.
 
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NRL VS AFL

NRL = Very weak defending the sharks on membership basis we would be in bottom 2, and hardly seen on FTA

AFL = Strong defence of Essendon who have the 2nd highest membership base, appear on FTA often.

The balance here is that Essendon is a more significant club then the sharks, lets reverse this and say the NRL had to defend Broncos against AFL Nth Melbourne i wonder how this would have gone down.

The other point is that the sharks are in a federal liberal seat held by Scott Morrision so of course ASADA go there first, Essendon the seat is Labor held by the GG's son in law Bill Shorten of course cant doing anything that might see another seat go
 
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