Put up or shut up, ASADA.

[St_Jubbsy]

As you probably do not realise from your throne on high, St. Jubbsy. This issue is hurting many, many people.

I have no doubt it is hurting people. It is difficult for your club, the players involved and the game as well as sport in general. But that does not detract from the fact that these claims need to be fully investigated.

If ASADA actually has proof then they should come forward with it.

What do you mean come forward with it? Who knows where they are at in terms of their investigation - they are not obliged to release any information and in fact are legally obligated not to until they are at the point of proceeding with enforcement action.

Would you like them to come forward and declare that they believe that the 14 Sharks players are cheats before they have interviewed them? Bizarre.

You wonder why the Federal Govt. gets mentioned? Many people see this as a ploy by the Federal Govt. to get their failures off the front page, and this has been publicly stated by some pundits. Obviously this thinking came about by as the issue was intitiated publicly by Kate Lundy.

Yes I do wonder because it is so bizarre that someone would be so blatantly foolish to try and set this up as some sort of political conspiracy.

While some do see this as a ploy by the Federal Government to get their failures off the front page, it is clear that those people are morons and probably shouldn't be left alone at a computer without a carer being present.

As I said above, this issue was not initiated by Kate Lundy. Over six months ago, the Australian Crime Commission received intelligence about doping and fixing. They then began collecting intelligence and working with related law enforcement agencies and ASADA. The ACC then decided to publicly release the report at the press conference - and asked the Federal Government Ministers and the heads of various sports including the NRL, AFL, Cricket Australia and FFA to attend after they had received their various briefings.

This issue has effected the wellbeing of our club (possibly costing it several million dollars) and could possibly destroy it; it has destroyed the lives of a small number of people and has negatively effected the quality of life of several thousand others. It is seen by many as yet another declaration of war by the Federal Govt. on yet another section of the Australian people.

Wow. Just wow.

The fact that ASADA is carrying out its legal obligations in investigating accusations of doping made against your club equates to a declaration of war by the Federal Government on a section of the Australian people.....you really think like that? Cue X-Files music.....

And, St,Jubbsy, you seem to be well educated..........and know doubt abhor we mere mortals, the hoi poloi, as you judge us from your throne on high. This issue is hurting many, many people. That's why I (and thousands more) say `ASADA, put up or shut up'.

You don't need to be well educated to understand the process involved here and that ASADA cannot just "put up or shut up" if it has not taken simple steps like interviewed the players involved.

I am sure ASADA would have already interviewed at least some of the players if they had not taken the decision to seek alternative legal representation. I am not criticising the players' decision to do so as it is their right but it does explain that there are many factors involved here and means that the process takes time.

 

[St_Jubbsy]

Don't fall for his cut & paste post Popper. Anybody who works in or with government knows that everything he posted is a complete pile of nonsense.

LOL. Brilliant stuff.

Ministers Clare and Lundy are certainly impressive - they have drawn in not only Police Commissioners, heads of the ACC and ASADA, the various sporting CEOs but also the Liberal Ministers for Sport in Victoria and NSW into their nefarious conspiracy to bring down the Cronulla Sharks to take attention away from the polls.

Cue X-Files music.....

 

[St_Jubbsy]

And the police agencies in every federal or state jurisdiction only employ honest boy scout types & corruptiuon & illegal activities never happen from within. Also, politicians are very honest individuals and they dont select the heads of any government agencies that could in turn have to return favours to them. eg. government workers are generally a mix of voters both left & right, exactly like it is at the ABC & SBS government TV station agencies. The head of the ACC is not a labor sympathiser. The head of the ASADA agency, Andruska, has never worked for a labor agency prior & is not a career government agency worker.

Can anyone translate this into non-conspiracy theorist talk for the rest of us?

 

[Vin Fizz]

It was explained brilliantly to me when I started working at my current employer (my 3rd government agency). We live in a free country and its citizens are free to do whatever they please providing there is no law against it. However, when you work for the government, its statutory authorities, agencies and GBE's (all established by an Act) then you CAN ONLY DO WHATEVER THE ACT / LEGISATLIONS GIVES YOU THE POWER TO DO. So thinking about that, if these agencies are established by law then the Act is by and large, bi partisan and the powers and actions permitted under the Act are designed so that the organisation can go about its business without reference to political rhetoric or blatant interference. An Act can must receive royal assent from the GG so in many ways that ensures bi partisanship. It also must pass through both house of parliament of course. The Regulations are the documents that give the organisation its instruments for day to day activities. In fact in some instances some actions cannot be set aside by Parliament. So in that sense they become independent, HOWEVER, the Government of the day can and certainly does set programs of work for those agencies to concentrate on and report back in their Quarterly Report to the Minister signed off by the agencies executive, and Chairman. That said its entirely plausible that the Govt of the day, who are receiving reports on the programs being undertaken by agencies under their jurisdiction could seek , under the Act/Regs to accelerate, expand, ratchet up particular items . In fact it would be politically astute to allow the agency to report on work underway, being generated from a program that you as a Minister established some time ago and report those finding through a presser on a day when the government needs to good news story. Now that happens all the time I can tell you that much first hand.

 

[Craigshark]

Rothfield can get f**ked.. He's not a Sharks supporter, he's a dickhead journo trying to sell papers. They should ban him from the games and club, the little germ.

 

[The Popper]

Whether or not the reasons given by the pundits with regard to involvement by the Federal Govt. is a matter for conjecture, St. Jubbsy. However, the fact remains that both the ACC and ASADA are agencies of the Federal Govt. The fact remains that the initial announcement on this issue was made by Federal Minister for Sport, Kate Lundy, and supported by the now Federal Minister for Justice, Jason Clare. This being the case (and substantiated above by Vin Fizz), the Federal Govt. either ordered or condones the inquisition and the resultant persecution of our club, our club's players and officials and the related misery and suffering it has brought to thousands of the club's fans. Yes. indeed, this has been caused by Federal Govt. actions. If ASADA or the ACC have something positive then lay charges, if not, they should just go away. They have caused enough anguish.

 

[St_Jubbsy]

No, its not a matter of conjecture.

The fact remains that the ACC and ASADA are Federal Government agencies that are governed by their own pieces of legislation and are not subject to the direction of their respective Ministers. There has been nothing at all - other than the bizarre meanderings of your foolish mind - to suggest that the ACC and/or ASADA initiated or continued its investigations at the direction of the Minister. Can you direct the non-feeble minded amongst us to any such evidence other than the pathetic assumption that it must be so because they are Federal Government agencies?

Once again, the initial announcement was not made by Lundy or Clare. It was initiated by the head of the ACC who invited the Ministers and the heads of the various sports along after they have received briefings. Vin Fizz did not confirm that this was not the case but that it theoretically could work that way sometimes. But there is no evidence to the contrary.

So again the Federal Government did not order the investigation and it does not matter if it condones it or not because it has no authority to shut it down. ASADA has the legal authority to decide if, and how, it investigates claims and is not quite rightly subject to governmental control. Do you really think it is appropriate for Government officials to be intervening in such matters? It is akin to the Minister for Police telling Police who they should arrest and how they are to investigate.

It is not for ASADA to be concerned if they are causing anguish or not. They have legal obligations to investigate doping allegations once they receive prima facie evidence and your whole "put up or shut up" nonsense despite the fact they haven't even interviewed the players involved highlights that you are either a complete dumbarse or so biased you will never believe any allegations despite any level of evidence.

 

[carcharias]

Probably the biggest f**k up of their political careers.

They definitely didn't think it would turn out like this for them I bet.

They might be right for all I know ...but so far they have proved nothing and only made people resent them.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

No, its not a matter of conjecture.

The fact remains that the ACC and ASADA are Federal Government agencies that are governed by their own pieces of legislation and are not subject to the direction of their respective Ministers..

Ohhh stop talking absolute shyte you naive dope.

 

[PHaTMaN]

Regardless of who called the press conference (and I dont believe for a second that is was not called at the behest of the politicians, have the ACC ever held a press conference like this announcing a bunch of stuff without any charges???) Lundy and Clare came out 2 months ago with a bunch of wild accusations.

No charges have yet been laid, the Sharks have lost sponsors, the players have been put through undue stress etc etc etc. What was the purpose of the press conference?

Why not wait until the investigation was complete?

jubbsy, ur whole rant disregards the fact that the press conference was a wank, yes the process needs to be completed, no-one is suggesting charges should not be laid if people have done thw rong thing, but dont come out make announcements then wait 6 months to charge anyone.

Another f**k up, from the most farged up government on my lifetime.

 

[Since 73]

...you are either a complete dumbarse ....

or so biased you will never believe any allegations despite any level of evidence

What do you believe?

The allegation?

But it's just an allegation.

You'd be abit of a dumbarse to 'believe' anything anything that's just alleged.
Setting yourself up for a fall.

Evidence?....

....credit card receipts of purchases of products that weren't on any banned list in 2011?

...phone taps?

You seriously think blokes will be rubbed out for this?

Now cue the X-files music.

naah...let's go Looney Tunes instead.

 

[Birdee_Num_Num]

What do you believe?

The allegation?

But it's just an allegation.

You'd be abit of a dumbarse to 'believe' anything anything that's just alleged.
Setting yourself up for a fall.

Evidence?....

....credit card receipts of purchases of products that weren't on any banned list in 2011?

...phone taps?

You seriously think blokes will be rubbed out for this?

Now cue the X-files music.

naah...let's go Looney Tunes instead.

hahaha :lol:

 

[The Popper]

other than the bizarre meanderings of your foolish mind

Thank you for your insult, St.Jubbsy. It really matters not how you try to protect your own. What really matters is how the issue is perceived by the public........no matter how foolish you may consider them to be.

 

[Windy70]

The way this whole thing has been handled is a cluster f**k from the first press conference. "The darkest day in Australian sport" fixed games, organized crime etc. So Jubbsy, forgive us Sharks fans for being pissed off and wanting to point a few fingers around and let frustration set in. After all, so far we have been the ones spending the most time in the headlines.

My scratch is that they had / have enough evidence to announce to the world via Govt reps of the "darkest day in Australian sport" and since then our club has been in the headlines yet no charges layed anywhere. Why wasn't the investigation and evidence put to the NRL first, then the clubs and THEN proceed to investigate until all is proven or otherwise? The inevitable leaks to grub journos would be printed read and forgotten. Now it is a tattoo on the club and players and the effect spreads to many.

Whole thing has been handled like a cigarette's at school investigation by my high school back in the 90's starting out with a big nasty everyone get scared announcement at morning assembly.

Edit - I said high school in the 90's. I mean 80's. Dam, even sadder now.

 

[St_Jubbsy]

What do you believe?

The allegation?

But it's just an allegation.

You'd be abit of a dumbarse to 'believe' anything anything that's just alleged.
Setting yourself up for a fall.

Evidence?....

....credit card receipts of purchases of products that weren't on any banned list in 2011?

...phone taps?

You seriously think blokes will be rubbed out for this?

Now cue the X-files music.

naah...let's go Looney Tunes instead.

Poor attempt at comprehension.

I never said anything about whether the allegations were true or not. Indeed I don't even know what the extent of the allegations are - my reference there was nothing more than highlighting that poor Popper is just frantically searching for things like nonsensical conspiracy theories because he has already made his mind up.

ASADA may very well end up finding nothing to support any charges but they may - we will find out in due course.
I don't pre-empt the outcome at all.

So yep, cue your looney tunes music. It may help cover your absurd interpretation of my post.

 

[St_Jubbsy]

Thank you for your insult, St.Jubbsy. It really matters not how you try to protect your own. What really matters is how the issue is perceived by the public........no matter how foolish you may consider them to be.

LOL. So what you are saying is that reality and facts do not matter but it is public perception that counts - no matter how ridiculous or foolish.

Ok then... wow....it just gets better and better.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

ST Jubbsy also believes he has fairies in his garden. One looks like Ben Creagh in a TUTU.
Buty hey, thanks St Jubbsy for educating us all on the code of ethics & procedures so stringently followed by labor parties. Just like the NSW Labor party which follows procedures & laws to a Tee.

 

[carcharias]

C'mon Jubbsy ...your team won two weeks ago now...we copped it, now f**k off with your nonsense.

FTR
Perception is pretty much everything when there is nothing else to go by wouldn't you say?.

 

[The Popper]

Twisting the truth, hey, St.Jubbsy? Still I guess that is to be expected. Obviously ASADA have not found the `truth' that they are looking for so they are `shaking the tree' hoping some of their desired `truths' will fall on top of them. So far they have apparently come up with nothing. Otherwise charges would be laid. It seems to many that they are hunting for a scalp (most likely under orders) and any scalp will do, but they haven't found one yet? Public perception of all this most certainly does not support your point of view. And in the end it is public perception of issues that melds voting preferences.

 

[millersnose]

To be honest guys he is just pointing out the bleeding obvious

Though to imply the situation wasn't highly politicised by the ministers and the whole Canberra parade is a bit naive