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Mr. Sharky

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John Quayle: don't go soft on Cronulla Sharks

BRENT READ From: The Australian August 29, 2013 12:00AM

FORMER rugby league supremo John Quayle yesterday backed the NRL's decision to delay any sanctions against Cronulla but warned if and when the game's governing body does decide to hand down penalties, it must do so irrespective of the Sharks' perilous financial position.

Quayle, speaking as the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority conducted interviews in Newcastle, warned it would be folly to draw a line between the respective investigations in the AFL and NRL.

While the AFL handed down significant sanctions against Essendon on Tuesday night, including the removal of the club from this year's finals series, the NRL continues to play a waiting game as it allows ASADA to complete its investigation.

That patient approach has created the prospect that the Sharks could win the grand final and be stripped of the title a matter of weeks, or possibly months, later for bringing the game into disrepute.

Just as concerning for the NRL would be the impact a financial sanction would have on Cronulla. Essendon was slapped with a $2 million fine by the AFL for its part in the supplements scandal and a similar penalty for Cronulla could spell the end for a club that has lived on the breadline for years.

The Sharks are already expected to call on the NRL for financial support due to the impact of the ASADA investigation. A hefty fine could mean Cronulla is forced to find a new home, possibly in Perth, Brisbane or on the Central Coast.

"I think the worst thing the league can do is say 'poor Cronulla'," Quayle said.

"Then they're setting a precedent for the future. With respect to Cronulla, it's not the first time (they have struggled financially). The only thing that has changed is the date.

"You go back to my time and they paid their players 45c in the dollar - back in the late 80s and 90s. That's happened before and clubs have always come back."

Asked whether relocation might be an option for the Sharks, Quayle said: "Then you're starting off with a new team and a broke situation.

"I don't think you want that."

It could be months before there is any outcome in the case against Cronulla.

While the NRL had set a deadline of last night for the conclusion of interviews with players from the Sharks and elsewhere, it is understood they are still continuing.

Investigators were believed to be in Newcastle yesterday talking to Knights players. A decision on infraction notices against any player is expected to arrive in mid-October at the earliest.

Using that as a guide, the Sharks are likely to discover whether they receive any sanctions at a similar time.

The situations at Cronulla and Essendon were similar. At both clubs, serious governance issues were identified which allowed a systematic supplement regime to fester.

"I think we have to treat the two codes totally different because they are different," Quayle said.

"We have to get all the facts at Cronulla."

As for the prospect of stripping a club of its title, Quayle said: "The good thing is they have done it before. They have taken the premiership away (from Melbourne for the salary cap scandal).

"The threat has been there since the start of the year. You can't deny them natural justice. You can't say they can't win the premiership. You can't make decisions around that."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-cronulla-sharks/story-fnca0von-1226706072097
 

Mr. Sharky

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I am so fed up of cum stains like John Quayle sticking their nose in for their two cents worth.

Him and his Manly f**kbuddy Ken Arthurson royally f**ked up the game in the mid 90's and he's coming back for more.

He should f**k off back into retirement where he belongs.
 

Mr. Sharky

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Finals rivals fear Sharks will muddy waters if permitted to contest play-offs

August 29, 2013

Brad Walter
Chief Rugby League Writer

Rival clubs believe the integrity of the NRL finals will be tarnished if Cronulla are allowed to take part with doping allegations hanging over their head.

With the AFL banishing Essendon from its finals series over similar allegations, the spotlight has turned to the Sharks but NRL officials insist no action will be taken until the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation has concluded after the grand final.

Some clubs feel the NRL finals will be undermined if Cronulla are involved and ASADA hands down similar findings as those against the Bombers, who were also fined $2 million, stripped of draft picks and forced to find a new coach after James Hird was suspended for 12 months.

After beating the first-placed Roosters on Monday night, the Sharks are one of five teams now guaranteed finals berths and some of the other eight clubs still vying for the remaining three spots admitted they would be unhappy to miss out if Cronulla were later sanctioned by the NRL. ''The AFL has made a decision about Essendon to ensure that the integrity of their finals series is intact but how do you get through with Cronulla, who after Monday night are a chance of getting through to the grand final or at least to round two or three,'' one chief executive said.

''What does that do for the integrity of the finals series. But also, if you were a club that finished ninth, 10th or 11th, you'd be pissed off when you consider what has happened to Essendon.''

Another chief executive whose club is still in finals contention said: ''The Sharks should not be participating and it would be a farce if players were allowed to serve six-month suspensions in the off-season.''

Other club bosses said they didn't know enough about Cronulla's position to say whether they should play in the finals, but one said: ''If they are guilty throw the book at them. If not let's get on with it, but please just hurry up and decide.''

Another added: ''If you don't play by the rules you have to be punished and it [being expelled from the finals] has happened to other teams over the salary cap.''

However, there was also sympathy for the Sharks, with one chief executive saying: ''Obviously what's happened at Essendon seems to be systematic and really driven by the club but that appears to be different to anything in rugby league, including Cronulla.''

Other chief executives also felt the Cronulla and Essendon cases were different. ''There is a difference because at Essendon they are probably still receiving some very raw benefits from the program they did whereas it happened at Cronulla in 2011,'' one said. ''There have been some very big changes to the playing roster since then.''

Sharks chairman Damian Keogh said comparing the club with Essendon was ''a bit unfair''. ''The contrast is so wide and the NRL has several other clubs and players from other clubs involved in the interviews and investigation,'' Keogh said. ''I think once all the facts become known, Cronulla and Essendon is not a fair comparison.''

ASADA finished interviews with 11 Sharks players last week and is due to end interviews with 20 players from other clubs by the end of this week. Other people - including sports scientist Stephen Dank, who was involved with Manly for five years until 2010, Cronulla in 2011 and Essendon last year - are then expected to be summonsed for interviews.

Twitter - @BradWalterSMH

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...itted-to-contest-playoffs-20130828-2sqx8.html
 

Surely

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No mention of manly who had dank for years john ?

Systemic 11 weeks


But this wasn't

The media-shy Dank worked for Manly between 2006 and 2010, where he was an integral part of making the club a leader in sports science in Australia.
The Sea Eagles, who won a premiership in 2008, released a statement confirming Dank's employment and expressing confidence no rules were broken.
"The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles employed Stephen Dank in an official capacity as a consultant between 2006 and 2010," it said.
"During that time, we never had any concerns
http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/manly-had-no-concerns-about-dank-20130206-2dxed.html
 

Mr. Sharky

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Peptide claims levelled at Cronulla staffer

August 28, 2013 - 11:40PM

Adrian Proszenko

A Cronulla employee asked for the labels of controversial supplements to be removed to expedite their passage through customs when having them delivered to Sharks headquarters in 2011.

Luke Edmonds, the sponsorship manager at Cronulla, was questioned by club officials over his purchase of peptides online from Sharks offices. The purchases were brought to the attention of Cronulla officials following a forensic email audit by Grant Thornton, the same company which interviewed coach Shane Flanagan.

‘‘He did it on a work computer, during work hours and had it delivered to the Sharks office,’’ a former Cronulla employee said. ‘‘He ordered peptides online and asked for the labels to be removed to get it through customs hassle-free.’’

It is understood Sharks officials questioned Edmonds, in the presence of his father, about the transactions. Specifically, they asked why the supplements were delivered to the club and whether they were purchased for Cronulla players.

A source claimed Edmonds, a trainer at Rayzor Fitness and co-owner of Rayzor Nutrition, said he purchased them for personal use. The club chose not to take action.

News Ltd claimed in July that Edmonds had been ‘‘asked by anti-doping authorities to submit to an interview’’.

When asked about the purchases, Edmonds said: ‘‘There is absolutely no truth to anything of the sort. There’s really nothing to talk about, [chief executive] Steve Noyce has handled everything in relation to the ASADA [Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority] issue. I certainly haven’t been questioned by ASADA nor have I been given a request for an interview. I’m not at all associated with this process.’’

Pressed on whether he ordered supplements from a work computer to be sent to the club – and requested the labels be removed or changed – Edmonds said: ‘‘I certainly didn’t. There’s certainly not any substance or truth to any of this. It’s absolute rubbish. I look after commercial sponsorship and operations at the club. I have absolutely no dealings outside of that.’’

Rayzor Nutrition stocks products from Advanced Sports Nutrition, the company which employs Darren ‘‘the Gazelle’’ Hibbert. He has been identified as a person of interest to ASADA but has maintained he has never administered banned ElephantJuice to athletes. Rayzor Fitness opened in Sylvania in October 2012, a year after the period of interest to ASADA in their investigations of Cronulla.

In other news, the spotlight returns onto the Sharks now that the AFL has handed down its sanctions to Essendon. The Bombers have been kicked out of the 2013 finals, fined $2million and coach James Hird was stood down for 12 months. The penalties come despite the fact no players have been served infraction notices for doping offences.

Cronulla remain the only NRL club yet to be cleared of systematic doping. Their fate is likely to be known after the playoffs, raising the prospect of the NRL having to take retrospective action. ASADA interviewed the last of the Sharks players of interest last week and ARLC chief executive Dave Smith has indicated there won’t be an outcome before the finals series begins.

Twitter - @proshenks

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...elled-at-cronulla-staffer-20130828-2sqt4.html
 

Southern Shark

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And finally an article that contains facts instead of the rubbish that the Daily Telegraph Journalists have written for the past six months. This one is written by a factual journalist and explains the confusion surrounding the supplement AOD-9604. It appeared in the Advocate on Thursday the 29/08/2013.

Why did Dank use AOD on the Essendon players? http://www.hepburnadvocate.com.au/story/1738233/why-did-dank-use-aod-on-the-essendon-players/?cs=12#
By Peter Brukner

Aug. 29, 2013, 3 a.m.


One of the many intriguing aspects of the Essendon supplements saga has been the status of the peptide AOD-9604 and why Stephen Dank was giving it to the players.

So what do we know about Essendon and AOD-9604?
1. Essendon (April statement) and its captain Jobe Watson (June TV interview) have admitted that AOD-9604 was administered to Essendon players and AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou said on Wednesday that this was not in doubt.
2. The ACC report released in February stated that AOD-9604 was ''not a banned substance''.
3. WADA contradicted this in April and stated that AOD-9604 was a banned substance.
4. The ACC subsequently added an addendum to its report stating that while ASADA had advised it that AOD-9604 was not banned under the S2 category, it was a banned substance under the S0 category.
5. Professor Gary Wittert from University of Adelaide who conducted five of the six trials of AOD-9604 concluded that it was not effective as an anti-obesity drug.
6.An Age article in July revealed that AOD-9604 was given to four ''professional footballers'', believed by ASADA to be Essendon players, as part of a drug trial for the treatment of injuries.
7. The AFL charge sheet states that 38 Essendon players were placed on a program of weekly AOD-9604 injections.
One of the unanswered questions is why Steven Dank, the chemist employed by Essendon and responsible for its ''supplements'' program, was using AOD-9604. Information has recently come to light that indicates that AOD-9604, which is closely related to Human Growth Hormone (HGH), may have an anabolic (muscle building) effect.
A patent application (No: 2012327167) from Metabolic Pharmaceuticals has recently become available on the Australian Patent Office website. It was initially filed on December 7, 2012.
This patent application was the basis of The Age story concerning the four ''professional footballers'' used in a trial.
A previous patent No. 693478 by Monash University had been granted in 1994 for use of the drug in controlling obesity. In this use, AOD-9604 got to the human trials stage before being abandoned because it was not sufficiently effective to warrant further development.
One can assume by the fact that AOD-9604 previously got to stage three trials that it is regarded as a safe drug.
While reducing body fat can be helpful in elite athletes, it is unlikely Dank was using AOD-9604 for its anti-obesity effect especially as it has been shown not to be significantly effective.
In this latest patent application, the company states that AOD-9604 is a short fragment of HGH and has several biological activities, including repair of injured cartilage, tendons and bone. The title of the patent application is actually Use of Growth Hormone Fragments.
HGH can be used to treat a number of medical conditions, but one part of the protein stimulates a strong anabolic response, which is why it is banned by WADA under S2. AOD-9604 is a fragment of HGH that was thought not to contain ''the anabolic'' region. This same part of HGH is also responsible for many of the negative side effects of HGH use.
However, the patent application states that they have shown in their trials that while AOD-9604 has a significant effect on repair of soft tissues such as cartilage and tendon, it also surprisingly retains an anabolic effect on muscle, without the negative side effects of HGH use.
The AOD-9604 patent application also states that the substance is suitable for ''treating a condition in which growth hormone administration is helpful'' and for ''promoting or improving muscle, ligament or tendon mass, repair, form or function''.
If 38 Essendon players were administered the drug once a week, one wonders whether its intended use was just to treat injuries. It is unknown when the anabolic property was discovered, and whether Dank or anyone at Essendon was aware of this.
There are a number of conclusions that can be drawn from the patent application. The first is that AOD-9604 is a drug that now appears to fall under both the S0 and S2 categories.
As it is not yet approved for use in this country (or any other), it should always have been considered banned under the S0 category, which states that any pharmacological substance that is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the Prohibited List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g. ElephantJuice under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer ElephantJuice, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited.
If AOD-9604 has the anabolic effects of HGH, it is a performance-enhancing peptide and therefore comes under the S2 category on WADA's Prohibited List.
ASADA gave advice to the ACC, and perhaps Essendon, that AOD-9604 was not banned under the S2 category. Given the expectation that AOD-9604 would not be anabolic because it lacked the ''anabolic region'' of HGH, it is perhaps understandable that ASADA did not classify it under S2 in 2011 and 2012, although its close structural relationship to the banned HGH should have been sufficient to include it on the banned list.


In light of the above, however, ASADA needs to review the patent application and the drug's classification, and place it on the Prohibited List under S2.
Two things have saved the individual Essendon players from being charged with taking a banned drug. One is the alleged lack of detailed record keeping, which makes it impossible to know which players took which ElephantJuice.
The second is the initial confusion at ASADA about the status of AOD-9604, with conflicting advice given regarding whether it is a banned substance. The players have escaped punishment, but there is no excuse for those involved in administering a banned, non-approved drug to young men.
Dr Peter Brukner OAM is a sports physician and media commentator.
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http://www.hepburnadvocate.com.au/story/1738233/why-did-dank-use-aod-on-the-essendon-players/?cs=12
 
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Gallen's phone seized but not as part of ASADA investigation: Minister

Minister for Justice and Home Affairs Jason Clare has admitted Cronulla captain Paul Gallen's mobile phone was confiscated and downloaded by customs officers upon his return from New Zealand last month, but he has revealed it was not related to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation.

Clare was asked on Wednesday whether it was necessary under ASADA'S sweeping powers to download the data from footballer's phones in the investigation against the alleged use of illegal supplements in Australian sport. ''They're operational decisions, they're made by customs and border protection and our law-enforcement agencies,'' he said. ''They make those decisions rather than politicians, and they make those decisions about lots of people who come in and out of our airports.''

When asked if the practice could possibly make a footballer feel like a criminal, he confirmed the incident involving Gallen was not, as initially suspected, because of a request made by ASADA. ''The advice I got is that was not related to the ASADA investigation,'' he said.

When asked if he knew what it was related to, he said: ''I don't have the details to that …''

While the ASADA investigation was sparked by an Australian Crime Commission surveillance operation which suggested criminal networks were supplying athletes with banned substances, Clare said the biggest breakthrough in the investigation - Essendon being fined $2 million and coach James Hird being suspended for a year - would not result in a single criminal charge.

''There's three parts to this. It's illegal to import some of these ElephantJuice into Australia without a licence,'' he said. ''That's an area that always needs to be pursued …

''It's not illegal at the moment to supply some of these ElephantJuice to players. It's a gap in the rule right across the country and I've asked the state attorneys-general to introduce laws so you can catch the sports scientist or the pharmacist producing these ElephantJuice. In relation to the team themselves it's a breach of the WADA code and that's why the work that ASADA is doing, working closely with the AFL and NRL, is so important.''

When asked to clarify whether police would be involved in the Essendon case, Clare said no criminal law had been broken. ''What you're talking about here is not a breach of the criminal law by players or teams but a breach of the playing code and a breach of the WADA code,'' he said.

Clare defended the action to launch the investigation even though it had tarnished the reputation of Australian sport. ''If it saves a life it's worth it,'' he said. ''We're talking here about ElephantJuice that have killed people overseas.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...on-minister-20130828-2squw.html#ixzz2dJDoOSU7
 

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Distribution of said banned ElephantJuice would be under the durisdiction of the federal police or ACC.
 

Generalzod

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No mention of manly who had dank for years john ?

Systemic 11 weeks


But this wasn't

The media-shy Dank worked for Manly between 2006 and 2010, where he was an integral part of making the club a leader in sports science in Australia.
The Sea Eagles, who won a premiership in 2008, released a statement confirming Dank's employment and expressing confidence no rules were broken.
"The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles employed Stephen Dank in an official capacity as a consultant between 2006 and 2010," it said.
"During that time, we never had any concerns
http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/manly-had-no-concerns-about-dank-20130206-2dxed.html


Don't worry Surely Manly is next on their hit list...
 

madunit

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If Cronulla won the premiership, why should they have the title stripped?

They are being investigated from bringing the game into disrepute in 2011, not in 2013.

If they are guilty of using banned substances, that was in 2011, not in 2013.

Melbourne were cheating when they were caught. Very different situation.
 

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This in interesting article from early on in this shitfight, linking Earl with Dank.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...after-danks-secret-tryout-20130330-2h06u.html

Sandor Earl was on the cusp of switching to the AFL after participating in a secret try-out for Essendon arranged by sports scientist Stephen Dank.
Fairfax Media can reveal Earl was put through a series of kicking, marking and hand-balling drills last May when the Bombers travelled to Sydney for their round-nine clash with the GWS Giants.
 

Surely

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For us, two words, Trent Elkin.

I think we have more to worry there than with Earl.

The man who brought dank to the club went behind givneys back and then turns stoolie to save his arse.

Who's to say his version is truthful and not a give them what they want to hear to save my own arse story.
 
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