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Ramifications of the Kalyn Ponga deal

Frederick

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PONGA’S REAL WORTH

The figures being thrown around Kalyn Ponga’s Newcastle deal have been wildly inflated.

It’s been reported the teenager has been offered $3.5 million over five years but that isn’t quite right.

In fact, Ponga’s deal is worth a little less than $3 million — meaning he will still be the highest paid teen in the game.

The Ponga deal is broken down per season, with 2017 valued at $350,0000 should the Cowboys agree to release the fullback.



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Ponga signs with Knights

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His salary increases substantially each year from that, with representative triggers throughout the deal which will boost his wage even more should he reach Test level.

Only if those triggers are activated early in his career will Ponga be able to earn more than $3 million.

His current Cowboys deal for 2017 is worth $110,000, which means Ponga stands to earn $240,000 more if he can leave Townsville before next season.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...s/news-story/33b89d815fd29e774aa1511b00380ee2
 
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I feel for the Cowboys. It sucks when you do all the hard work, and then you lose them to another club. But at least he's being lost to the absolute worst team in RL (possibly ever) for a lot more $, as opposed to losing him to a vulture club like the Broncos for less money on the cap + "TPA's"...oh and "the chance to play for Wayne Bennett"...can't forget that important factor.

It's a bit rich for Lockyer to come out saying he needs to be careful with his money. Whenever Locky ran out of cash, I'm sure he just rang the thoroughbreds for a re-up.

I hold out hope that Ponga will take his Maori name + tatts and put them in a kiwi jersey. Without Thurston in his ear blatantly telling him what to do anymore, he'll be able to make his own decision and hopefully it's the right one for RL. We could have used him in this 4N tbh.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Are you serious? I can remember this guy touted as the next big thing for a couple years when playing U20's and reserve grade (the Bulldogs played he and SBW there instead of 20's in 2014 when not in Firsts). He had absolutely massive wraps and the Roosters were rumoured to be after him when it appeared the Bulldogs were not going to keep him. The Bulldogs themselves were only letting him go due to 'off field' issues as they were trying to repair their damaged brand and saw him as too much of a loose cannon.

Yeah, but Thurston never had a youtube video showing him doing flashy stuff and things. The world revolves around marketing these days.
 

butchmcdick

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2004 GF, pretty sure he had much bigger wraps at the time. He was widely regarded as the best young 1/2 & by some distance.

The untold story of how the Bulldogs let Johnathan Thurston sign with the Cowboys
Date: September 29 2015


Andrew Webster




There's the one that got away and then there's the story of how the Bulldogs inexplicably let the Cowboys pinch Johnathan Thurston – when he would have stayed in Sydney for less money.

Sitting in the carpark at Belmore, Thurston burst into tears when told that Canterbury no longer wanted him.

That was 2004, which seems an eternity away from Monday night when his status as one of the game's true greats was cemented after he claimed a record fourth Dally M player of the year award.

The 32-year-old's long-time manager Sam Ayoub has revealed to Fairfax Media the extraordinary decision from Bulldogs coach Steve Folkes and chief executive Malcolm Noad to let him go.

"He was offered between $220,000 and $240,000 a year [by the Cowboys], which was very good money back then," Ayoub said. "[Cowboys coach] Graham Murray saw a lot in him. The thing about it is that he didn't want to leave. He was happy. He wanted to stay at Canterbury.

"They got to $140,000 at that stage. I took Johnathan in, it was the third of July, and the Cowboys needed an answer. We met at 8am with Folkes and Noad. I said, 'This is the offer from the Cowboys. Johnathan is keen to stay here'. They had just signed Brent Sherwin for five years and Braith Anasta for three years. It was my better judgement that Johnathan should move on with those players ahead of him.

"But he was prepared to stay for 30 per cent less than what he was going to get at Townsville. Folkesy said, 'Nah mate, he should take that money and go'. We would've stayed there for $170,000.

"We went out to the carpark and sat in the car and I told him that it was a good thing, because he didn't have to make a decision. It had been made for him. Then he burst into tears because he really wanted to stay."

Hindsight is a wonderful but worthless commodity when it comes to player recruitment and retention, but this one must sting Dogs fans with Thurston poised to lead the Cowboys to a breakthrough premiership against the Broncos in the grand final on Sunday.

It was the Bulldogs who showed faith in him when others didn't, signing Thurston as a teenager when no other club wanted him because he was considered too small, too lean and a liability in defence.


Somewhere in Ayoub's Aladdin's cave of thousands of player contracts is one for Thurston for zero dollars with Canterbury. Months before this, Ayoub had emailed all clubs about the possibility of taking on the prodigious playmaker he knew would be a superstar.

The first club that had shown interest was the Roosters, but they also passed on Thurston because of concerns about his deficiencies in defence.

Folkes did not return text messages last night, but Noad said the club simply didn't have enough money in the salary cap to sign Thurston, who at that stage had only played a handful of first grade matches.

"There was no room to move on what we could offer him," recalled Noad. "If we had room to move, we would've moved to sign him. I don't recall Steve saying that [Thurston should take the money at the Cowboys]. He wanted him to stay. I don't recall Steve being ambivalent about keeping him. He had a high opinion of him. Nobody knew then how good Johnathan was going to be. He had only played a few first grade matches, and we were also trying to keep [off-contract captain] Steve Price. Both Steve and I very pleased to see how his career has played out."

http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-leag...-cowboys-20150929-gjxgiv.html?deviceType=text

Bit different to Ponga's situation really
 

davi

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Bit different to Ponga's situation really

Its alot different to the Ponga offer, the Ponga offer is ridiculously high for someone of that limited game match ability. Comparing the Knights offer to Jonathan Thurston who was offered between $220 000 to $240 000 from the Cowboys is really grasping at straws. Even taking into account Thurston was signed in 2004 the offer hardly makes your draw drop as something that's out of this world.

Just on the Thurston signing, Bulldogs had just won a grand final. It very hard to make the case to potentially cut out someone out of the nucleus for a development player such as Thurston to keep them under the cap. Kevin Moore when coach of the Bulldogs was asked about it and he just said the timing was all wrong which resulted in letting Thurston go.
 
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Sections of Broncos fandom have been boasting for a while that he was coming "back" to their club.

For mine him signing with anyone not called the Broncos is better then the Cowboys retaining him.

LOL. What? So out of all the clubs you wished for him to sign for, Cowboys was your 15th choice?
 

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Its alot different to the Ponga offer, the Ponga offer is ridiculously high for someone of that limited game match ability. Comparing the Knights offer to Jonathan Thurston who was offered between $220 000 to $240 000 from the Cowboys is really grasping at straws. Even taking into account Thurston was signed in 2004 the offer hardly makes your draw drop as something that's out of this world.

Just on the Thurston signing, Bulldogs had just won a grand final. It very hard to make the case to potentially cut out someone out of the nucleus for a development player such as Thurston to keep them under the cap. Kevin Moore when coach of the Bulldogs was asked about it and he just said the timing was all wrong which resulted in letting Thurston go.
The salary cap next year is nearly double that of the salary cap in 2005.
Thurston was offered 6.5% of the salary cap and Ponga has reportedly been offered 5%, so yo can see why people would compare the two cases.
 

perverse

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I don't really get the point of this Thurston discussion. The Cowboys signed a less in demand player for a similar or higher percentage of the salary cap. Those seem to be the facts of the matter. Seems like an even bigger gamble to me. What is the argument here? That them signing Thurston was different somehow because he was in less demand? Why does that matter a flying f**k? If anything they were more reckless and it paid off... at least we're spending on a kid others want.
 

Cockadoodledoo

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Yeah, but Thurston never had a youtube video showing him doing flashy stuff and things. The world revolves around marketing these days.

True, I do agree Ponga has had a lot more hype than Thurston at the same stage, a lot more. That said Thurston was a highly rated prospect that the Cowboys did an awesome piece of business to secure. The Bulldogs screwed up massively on that one.
 

ed-grimley

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I feel for the Cowboys. It sucks when you do all the hard work, and then you lose them to another club. But at least he's being lost to the absolute worst team in RL (possibly ever) for a lot more $, as opposed to losing him to a vulture club like the Broncos for less money on the cap + "TPA's"...oh and "the chance to play for Wayne Bennett"...can't forget that important factor.

It's a bit rich for Lockyer to come out saying he needs to be careful with his money. Whenever Locky ran out of cash, I'm sure he just rang the thoroughbreds for a re-up.

I hold out hope that Ponga will take his Maori name + tatts and put them in a kiwi jersey. Without Thurston in his ear blatantly telling him what to do anymore, he'll be able to make his own decision and hopefully it's the right one for RL. We could have used him in this 4N tbh.
Some of the Cowboys teams pre-Thurston were pretty ordinary. It will be the measure of this guy if he can lift NQ like Jonathon did there.
 

ed-grimley

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The untold story of how the Bulldogs let Johnathan Thurston sign with the Cowboys
Date: September 29 2015


Andrew Webster




There's the one that got away and then there's the story of how the Bulldogs inexplicably let the Cowboys pinch Johnathan Thurston – when he would have stayed in Sydney for less money.

Sitting in the carpark at Belmore, Thurston burst into tears when told that Canterbury no longer wanted him.

That was 2004, which seems an eternity away from Monday night when his status as one of the game's true greats was cemented after he claimed a record fourth Dally M player of the year award.

The 32-year-old's long-time manager Sam Ayoub has revealed to Fairfax Media the extraordinary decision from Bulldogs coach Steve Folkes and chief executive Malcolm Noad to let him go.

"He was offered between $220,000 and $240,000 a year [by the Cowboys], which was very good money back then," Ayoub said. "[Cowboys coach] Graham Murray saw a lot in him. The thing about it is that he didn't want to leave. He was happy. He wanted to stay at Canterbury.

"They got to $140,000 at that stage. I took Johnathan in, it was the third of July, and the Cowboys needed an answer. We met at 8am with Folkes and Noad. I said, 'This is the offer from the Cowboys. Johnathan is keen to stay here'. They had just signed Brent Sherwin for five years and Braith Anasta for three years. It was my better judgement that Johnathan should move on with those players ahead of him.

"But he was prepared to stay for 30 per cent less than what he was going to get at Townsville. Folkesy said, 'Nah mate, he should take that money and go'. We would've stayed there for $170,000.

"We went out to the carpark and sat in the car and I told him that it was a good thing, because he didn't have to make a decision. It had been made for him. Then he burst into tears because he really wanted to stay."

Hindsight is a wonderful but worthless commodity when it comes to player recruitment and retention, but this one must sting Dogs fans with Thurston poised to lead the Cowboys to a breakthrough premiership against the Broncos in the grand final on Sunday.

It was the Bulldogs who showed faith in him when others didn't, signing Thurston as a teenager when no other club wanted him because he was considered too small, too lean and a liability in defence.


Somewhere in Ayoub's Aladdin's cave of thousands of player contracts is one for Thurston for zero dollars with Canterbury. Months before this, Ayoub had emailed all clubs about the possibility of taking on the prodigious playmaker he knew would be a superstar.

The first club that had shown interest was the Roosters, but they also passed on Thurston because of concerns about his deficiencies in defence.

Folkes did not return text messages last night, but Noad said the club simply didn't have enough money in the salary cap to sign Thurston, who at that stage had only played a handful of first grade matches.

"There was no room to move on what we could offer him," recalled Noad. "If we had room to move, we would've moved to sign him. I don't recall Steve saying that [Thurston should take the money at the Cowboys]. He wanted him to stay. I don't recall Steve being ambivalent about keeping him. He had a high opinion of him. Nobody knew then how good Johnathan was going to be. He had only played a few first grade matches, and we were also trying to keep [off-contract captain] Steve Price. Both Steve and I very pleased to see how his career has played out."

http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-leag...-cowboys-20150929-gjxgiv.html?deviceType=text

Bit different to Ponga's situation really
This is the Untold Thurston Story? What an anticlimax - I heard there was more.
 

Nice Beaver

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Its alot different to the Ponga offer, the Ponga offer is ridiculously high for someone of that limited game match ability. Comparing the Knights offer to Jonathan Thurston who was offered between $220 000 to $240 000 from the Cowboys is really grasping at straws. Even taking into account Thurston was signed in 2004 the offer hardly makes your draw drop as something that's out of this world.

Just on the Thurston signing, Bulldogs had just won a grand final. It very hard to make the case to potentially cut out someone out of the nucleus for a development player such as Thurston to keep them under the cap. Kevin Moore when coach of the Bulldogs was asked about it and he just said the timing was all wrong which resulted in letting Thurston go.

Bullshit.

Drawing a comparison to Thurston's signing is quite plausible.

Your hissy fit is unravelling.
 

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