Ramsey No Try

[BLM01]

And to add the xtra xtra time it takes which in turn gives the defending team time to have a further rest

The process is quicker because they’re reviewing in a lot of the cases the try by the time the kicker is ready in position to set up for goal so that is a positive
But it works if they as I’ve said before have quick looks and not go over and over everything with a fine tooth comb to look for a reason to go against the ref that’s the whole problem
Otherwise it’s a positive idea which speeds up that whole bunker review time wasting
Focus on the guys reviewing the tries then we’re getting somewhere

 

[BLM01]

IMO it was a no try correct call was made Raiders had one overturned as well. Reality is we were simply not good enough on the night now onto the cowboys let's hope we have more success.

I agree
also I think with birds try if he had his time over again he would’ve got down a lot lower earlier and still would’ve scored and taking away that opportunity of them getting underneath him

These players have forgotten how to dive close to the line
look at Xavier coates he wouldn’t hurt his neck if he had of just done a normal dive without trying to be a show pony with an acrobat somersault finish to a try
There was no need in that situation

 

[RedVDave]

The obsession to get the decision 'right' seems to be driving this. Doesn't matter how long it takes "as long as we get it right in the end." Problem is, they're not getting it right.

IMO, we're forgetting that this is a game played and administered by humans, and humans make mistakes. The players, the coaches, the NRL and yes, the referees as well. Sometimes we just have to accept the call.

Sure, we can yell out that it was a rubbish decision, as is our right, but in most cases we move on knowing that these things tend to even out over a season.

Unfortunately, in this quest for 'perfection', we're only making it worse. The video angles aren't always conclusive, the use of slomo is unrealistic and the video refs are prone to human error as they make subjective, arbitrary or even biased decisions.

In the meantime, the game stops, people get frustrated and some head for the exit gates or change channels.

Well said when I played juniors the first thing the coach said to me was even when the ref is wrong he's right. Meaning his call stands you just need to accept it and move on the reality is you shouldn't blame officials for losses good teams rise above this move on and find a way to win.

 

[Willow]

Was Johnny King held in the mud before getting up to score in 63? Did Bruce Starkey’s pass go forward to John Jansen in 77 Grand Final? Did Freddy Jones plant the ball in 72 GF....part of the game, swings and roundabouts.....Appreciate some like the bunker but i’m not a fan. I don’t want to watch a forensic science experiment every time someone scores and have plenty of mates that feel the same; the NRL thinks it’s exciting to fans. I beg to differ; i find it boring and usually get up and put the kettle on when they go through all that crap so i don’t have to watch a dozen replays and listen to commentators that usually have different views anyway. Drink a lot of tea during a game....

I can answer the first one. The referee Darcy Lawler can be seen in the background using the old style signal for "play on" as King hit the deck. The claims that he was called held is a myth.

 

[Willow]

Well said when I played juniors the first thing the coach said to me was even when the ref is wrong he's right. Meaning his call stands you just need to accept it and move on the reality is you shouldn't blame officials for losses good teams rise above this move on and find a way to win.

Ah yes... rule no. 1... good teams beat bad refs.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

I agree
also I think with birds try if he had his time over again he would’ve got down a lot lower earlier and still would’ve scored and taking away that opportunity of them getting underneath him

These players have forgotten how to dive close to the line
look at Xavier coates he wouldn’t hurt his neck if he had of just done a normal dive without trying to be a show pony with an acrobat somersault finish to a try
There was no need in that situation

Jordan Rapana’s try was a good example of going low and getting the job done.

 

[st.phil]

line ball for knock on but, under the old "it went up as a try - need conclusive evidence to overturn" benefit of doubt, really tough call. The following try had far more "evidence" to overturn.

When ya down ya down

 

[True_Believer]

Was Johnny King held in the mud before getting up to score in 63? Did Bruce Starkey’s pass go forward to John Jansen in 77 Grand Final? Did Freddy Jones plant the ball in 72 GF....part of the game, swings and roundabouts.....Appreciate some like the bunker but i’m not a fan. I don’t want to watch a forensic science experiment every time someone scores and have plenty of mates that feel the same; the NRL thinks it’s exciting to fans. I beg to differ; i find it boring and usually get up and put the kettle on when they go through all that crap so i don’t have to watch a dozen replays and listen to commentators that usually have different views anyway. Drink a lot of tea during a game....

I think part of the problem is there is so much scrutiny with technology from the media that the pressure is on the officials to get it right every time - so they are making every effort to get it right.

I blame the commentators mostly for this as they generate that outrage when something is missed or perceived to be wrong. I mean look at Brandy now - saying this rule is shit and they need to do more to make sure they get it right. It's those sorts of comments that drive this sort of behaviour.

I'd rather go back to no bunker or video refs and just let the ref decide - much like they do in the lower grades.

 

[Slackboy72]

I don't mind the new procedures but it doesn't change the fact that the bunker is making bad calls when they should be improving the officiating.

 

[Inisai Toga]

I think part of the problem is there is so much scrutiny with technology from the media that the pressure is on the officials to get it right every time - so they are making every effort to get it right.

I blame the commentators mostly for this as they generate that outrage when something is missed or perceived to be wrong. I mean look at Brandy now - saying this rule is shit and they need to do more to make sure they get it right. It's those sorts of comments that drive this sort of behaviour.

I'd rather go back to no bunker or video refs and just let the ref decide - much like they do in the lower grades.

Agree, feeds them (the commentators) the power they need. There’s so much metric and technology in so many facets of our lives, i’m okay with minimising it’s use and can live with incorrect decisions in my sport; Human nature, bias whatever. Still talking about these moments in the pub 50 years later...

 

[Willow]

I think part of the problem is there is so much scrutiny with technology from the media that the pressure is on the officials to get it right every time - so they are making every effort to get it right.

I blame the commentators mostly for this as they generate that outrage when something is missed or perceived to be wrong. I mean look at Brandy now - saying this rule is shit and they need to do more to make sure they get it right. It's those sorts of comments that drive this sort of behaviour.

I'd rather go back to no bunker or video refs and just let the ref decide - much like they do in the lower grades.

Sadly, the days of commentators being impartial are all but over.

It started when replays became available on TV. There was a time when TV coverage was scratchy, and before that non-existent.

Rex Mossop 'raised' commentary bias to a new level, the refs came under greater scrutiny, especially when Manly were playing. And FTR, Rex used to regularly get it wrong.

 

[redandwhite4evr]

Excerpts from https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/02/26/new-nrl-rules-explained-scrums-field-goals-six-agains-trainers/

NRL head of football elite competitions Graham Annesley has outlined how new rules will make the Telstra Premiership faster, more free-flowing and unpredictable in 2021.

Annesley told NRL.com that all the recent rule changes have been "about minimising stoppages, increasing the amount of time the ball is in play, increasing the fatigue factor, trying to open up some spaces on the field and making the game more exciting and entertaining to watch".

Bunker Reviews
Where the on-field referee believes a try is scored the referee will award a try and the bunker will review the decision in the background. A conversion attempt will not be permitted until the Bunker is satisfied a try has been scored.

Obviously we're not as smart as the NRL, so can someone please explain how the bunker overruling the referee makes the game "more free-flowing and unpredictable, more exciting and entertaining to watch."
???

You can also throw in how does it minimise stoppages and increase the amount of time the ball is in play. In other words, it does NONE of the NRL's wishlist.

We've been offered a sleight of hand- referees no longer making video screen signs which made fans groan in anticipation of the Bunker going thru a review which could overturn the decision to the referee awarding or not awarding a try while all the while the Buner is beavering away in the background doing as it did before. No difference.

 

[Blood Shot Eyes]

Was Johnny King held in the mud before getting up to score in 63? Did Bruce Starkey’s pass go forward to John Jansen in 77 Grand Final? Did Freddy Jones plant the ball in 72 GF....part of the game, swings and roundabouts.....Appreciate some like the bunker but i’m not a fan. I don’t want to watch a forensic science experiment every time someone scores and have plenty of mates that feel the same.

The NRL thinks it’s exciting to fans. I beg to differ; i find it boring and usually get up and put the kettle on when they go through all that crap so i don’t have to watch a dozen replays and listen to commentators that differ in their views anyway. .... Drink a lot of tea during a game....

Good post and Im in agreeance with you ....as I said somewhere on here they will have hot spot ( like they do in cricket) on the try line before to much longer

 

[Blood Shot Eyes]

Agree, feeds them (the commentators) the power they need. There’s so much metric and technology in so many facets of our lives, i’m okay with minimising it’s use and can live with incorrect decisions in my sport; Human nature, bias whatever. Still talking about these moments in the pub 50 years later...

Im glad Smith on Foxtel is not in the bunker....we wouldnt get one decision go our way.....Ive never seen a commentator death ride us the way he does.....hang on there is one more his sidekick Alexander

 

[2010Dragons]

Im glad Smith on Foxtel is not in the bunker....we wouldnt get one decision go our way.....Ive never seen a commentator death ride us the way he does.....hang on there is one more his sidekick Alexander

I’m sure smith was either bashed by Santa or a Dragons fan. He HATES red and white.
And we all know why Alexander bias to the mighty red V.... poke in the eye ... in the 80”s and he can’t stop singing “I see red, I see red, I see red” ...with one eye

 

[Blood Shot Eyes]

I’m sure smith was either bashed by Santa or a Dragons fan. He HATES red and white.
And we all know why Alexander bias to the mighty red V.... poke in the eye ... in the 80”s and he can’t stop singing “I see red, I see red, I see red” ...with one eye

Thats what I love about this forum....plenty of laughs and banter

 

[Dragon Blood]

I'm pretty sure I read on here that last Sundays video ref was Chiddy. Looks like we have him again this Saturday night vs Cows. It could get ugly again or if they guy has a conscious they we may get a 12 point turn around in our favour

 

[SBD82]

The obsession to get the decision 'right' seems to be driving this. Doesn't matter how long it takes "as long as we get it right in the end." Problem is, they're not getting it right.

IMO, we're forgetting that this is a game played and administered by humans, and humans make mistakes. The players, the coaches, the NRL and yes, the referees as well. Sometimes we just have to accept the call.

Sure, we can yell out that it was a rubbish decision, as is our right, but in most cases we move on knowing that these things tend to even out over a season.

Unfortunately, in this quest for 'perfection', we're only making it worse. The video angles aren't always conclusive, the use of slomo is unrealistic and the video refs are prone to human error as they make subjective, arbitrary or even biased decisions.

In the meantime, the game stops, people get frustrated and some head for the exit gates or change channels.

Agreed. I can cope with human error when it happens in real time. In some ways it adds to the theatre of the sport; remembering times when the refs got it wrong. Being able to complain about being robbed etc. But I can forgive them the error. Because human error in real time is totally understandable.

When I have to sit through slow motion replays of a game that is played at speed, and we end up with seemingly arbitrary decisions, I can’t see the point of keeping the bunker.

I understand that the pressure from commentators is real. But as a great man once said:

f**k em.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

I actually agree with you.
I think it is a very stupid rule. Are not we all used to a "try" being sent to the bunker for them to review? It's been going on for over 20 years now hasn't it?
At least then the crowd can get an idea to what is going on, yes they may not always get it right but at least the crowds mind is tuned into conjecture not outright celebration.
Actually I dont think it is stupid, I think it is ludicrous.

For the record, Birdy's first touch was the knock on, not the second more obvious one, that one was very unsure.

they have also changed it already after one week, given that 80 odd seconds were lost in that waiting period

 

[Willow]

they have also changed it already after one week, given that 80 odd seconds were lost in that waiting period

Great idea... adjusting the clock is sure to result in a free flowing game and stop the fans from grinding their teeth.

I think I've worked it out... this is about giving the referees more to do. It's a job creation plan! Annesley might be onto something here.

But here in the real time universe, is it really a good idea to have a former referee and politician in charge of this?

NRL to make up for 'lost' seconds with timekeeping change
Author
Troy Whittaker
NRL.com Reporter
Timestamp
Mon 15 Mar 2021, 06:56 PM

The NRL will now add "lost" time back to the clock to avoid wasting seconds in the period of a try being awarded and the Bunker conducting a formal review.

A rule change in 2021 has allowed the on-field referee to award a try while the Bunker checks for any issues in the background before a conversion attempt is kicked.

Only if a decision requires more thorough analysis will a Bunker review be called. It's hoped that less reviews will create a better viewing experience.

"The referee awards a try, we go back and we start getting ready for the conversion attempt," NRL head of football Graham Annesley said at his Monday media briefing.

"And the referee will then be told by the Bunker either, 'I'm still reviewing this', or 'I've got some doubts about this, you need to refer it back up so we can have a closer look at it'.

"The point has been made, and it’s a valid point, that that has resulted in some lost game time ... and we intend to fix it. So as of next week [round two], the timekeepers will adjust that lost period of time before the clock has restarted.

"What will happen is when the referee blows the whistle and awards the try, the timekeeper will take note of the time the whistle blows."

Annesley explained that if 15 seconds was lost in the time between the referee awarding a try and then referring upstairs on the Bunker's advice, that time would be returned to the clock before play restarted regardless of the final decision.

"In effect, we would've adjusted for the lost time between the awarding of the try and the referral to the Bunker. Both of which happened simultaneously last year," Annesley said.

More: https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/03/15/nrl-to-make-up-for-lost-seconds-with-timekeeping-change/

Does anyone remember the old belief that if you didn't notice the referee, it meant the referee was doing a good job?