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policy on the run

 

[JamesRustle]

Great idea... adjusting the clock is sure to result in a free flowing game and stop the fans from grinding their teeth.

I think I've worked it out... this is about giving the referees more to do. It's a job creation plan! Annesley might be onto something here.

But here in the real time universe, is it really a good idea to have a former referee and politician in charge of this?

NRL to make up for 'lost' seconds with timekeeping change
Author
Troy Whittaker
NRL.com Reporter
Timestamp
Mon 15 Mar 2021, 06:56 PM

The NRL will now add "lost" time back to the clock to avoid wasting seconds in the period of a try being awarded and the Bunker conducting a formal review.

A rule change in 2021 has allowed the on-field referee to award a try while the Bunker checks for any issues in the background before a conversion attempt is kicked.

Only if a decision requires more thorough analysis will a Bunker review be called. It's hoped that less reviews will create a better viewing experience.

"The referee awards a try, we go back and we start getting ready for the conversion attempt," NRL head of football Graham Annesley said at his Monday media briefing.

"And the referee will then be told by the Bunker either, 'I'm still reviewing this', or 'I've got some doubts about this, you need to refer it back up so we can have a closer look at it'.

"The point has been made, and it’s a valid point, that that has resulted in some lost game time ... and we intend to fix it. So as of next week [round two], the timekeepers will adjust that lost period of time before the clock has restarted.

"What will happen is when the referee blows the whistle and awards the try, the timekeeper will take note of the time the whistle blows."

Annesley explained that if 15 seconds was lost in the time between the referee awarding a try and then referring upstairs on the Bunker's advice, that time would be returned to the clock before play restarted regardless of the final decision.

"In effect, we would've adjusted for the lost time between the awarding of the try and the referral to the Bunker. Both of which happened simultaneously last year," Annesley said.

More: https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/03/15/nrl-to-make-up-for-lost-seconds-with-timekeeping-change/

Does anyone remember the old belief that if you didn't notice the referee, it meant the referee was doing a good job?

Ball out of play? Time off. Fixes this issue and others. Give us 80mins of footy ya bastards. I really hate the clock winding down while a goal kicker lines up.

 

[SGMax]

Ball out of play? Time off. Fixes this issue and others. Give us 80mins of footy ya bastards. I really hate the clock winding down while a goal kicker lines up.

Yes!! I have been on this for a while also. For every goal kick, goal line drop out, kick off after a try it is 60-90 seconds of lost time.
It will give us
* more football time and value for our ticket money
* get the players tired without reducing the interchange and,
* more money at the next telecast deal as we will be getting an extra 10-15 minutes of action.

 

[TruSaint]

Yes!! I have been on this for a while also. For every goal kick, goal line drop out, kick off after a try it is 60-90 seconds of lost time.
It will give us
* more football time and value for our ticket money
* get the players tired without reducing the interchange and,
* more money at the next telecast deal as we will be getting an extra 10-15 minutes of action.

Im amazed more people aren't up to seeing just how little football we get.
Few years back, I posted the average time of actual footy being played varied between 50-55 minutes.

A quick look at the NRL site and click on teams stats shows how much time we lose, walking to a scrum, walking back to halfway, waiting for a penalty conversion, kick into touch, try being awarded and so on. Sure after a while they raise their hands and call time off, but that should happen immediately.

As an example, in round one. Time in possession. IE ( time in play ).

Mel 33 mins Rabbits 20 mins total 53 mins
Knights 30 mins Dogs 24 total 54 mins
Our game. Saints 24 Sharks 30 total 54mins.


You can click through any game and it will pan out the same.

The argument the NRL may have is that by playing a full 80- mins, it may drag games out too long for TV slots, but i say it would make it a better spectacle as fatigue will set in and fans will get close to 80 mins of footy.

 

[Willow]

policy on the run

Free flowing policy.

 

[The Villain]

Im amazed more people aren't up to seeing just how little football we get.
Few years back, I posted the average time of actual footy being played varied between 50-55 minutes.

A quick look at the NRL site and click on teams stats shows how much time we lose, walking to a scrum, walking back to halfway, waiting for a penalty conversion, kick into touch, try being awarded and so on. Sure after a while they raise their hands and call time off, but that should happen immediately.

As an example, in round one. Time in possession. IE ( time in play ).

Mel 33 mins Rabbits 20 mins total 53 mins
Knights 30 mins Dogs 24 total 54 mins
Our game. Saints 24 Sharks 30 total 54mins.


You can click through any game and it will pan out the same.

The argument the NRL may have is that by playing a full 80- mins, it may drag games out too long for TV slots, but i say it would make it a better spectacle as fatigue will set in and fans will get close to 80 mins of footy.

50-55 min of game time is about right. If they played a full 80 then it would be the equivalent of 100 min game every week.
Players are already pushed to the limit.

 

[Dragon David]

50-55 min of game time is about right. If they played a full 80 then it would be the equivalent of 100 min game every week.
Players are already pushed to the limit.

Also, I think the players like to have the stoppages so that can get a second wind and think about their next move.

 

[blacksafake]

What if the kicker says to the ref that he’s not going to take the conversion( which is in the rules) if he’s got any doubt on the try before the bunker has a chance to review it?
Do they go back to halfway & wait for the bunker, wasting more time.

 

[possm]

What if the kicker says to the ref that he’s not going to take the conversion( which is in the rules) if he’s got any doubt on the try before the bunker has a chance to review it?
Do they go back to halfway & wait for the bunker, wasting more time.

We can start off by having 'time off imedately after a try or potential try is scored and then time back on just before kick off or if the try is denied, when the ball is back in play.

I say the telecast should be on a 2 min delay making time for the banker to hand down an immediate decision. And a grid be layed over footage to show whether the ball when back or forwards.

 

[True_Believer]

Agreed. I can cope with human error when it happens in real time. In some ways it adds to the theatre of the sport; remembering times when the refs got it wrong. Being able to complain about being robbed etc. But I can forgive them the error. Because human error in real time is totally understandable.

When I have to sit through slow motion replays of a game that is played at speed, and we end up with seemingly arbitrary decisions, I can’t see the point of keeping the bunker.

I understand that the pressure from commentators is real. But as a great man once said:

f**k em.

Agree mate. I could live with the refs making a genuine mistake during the game. I also like how in the lower grades they don't go instantly to the replay or the slow mo. You pretty much just have to accept the refs decision - even if they do end up showing replays.

 

[TruSaint]

50-55 min of game time is about right. If they played a full 80 then it would be the equivalent of 100 min game every week.
Players are already pushed to the limit.

Disagree.

They play what 24-30 games a year ?

If the game stretched out to make it 80 minutes of "real" football, like they do in other codes what's the issue?

This isn't the 60's where they played for a pittance and a few beers. They are elite athletes, earning good money.

 

[Willow]

Also, I think the players like to have the stoppages so that can get a second wind and think about their next move.

Yes, but the new rules are supposed to increase the fatigue factor. Check this NRL media release, page 1 in this thread

Excerpts from https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/02/26/new-nrl-rules-explained-scrums-field-goals-six-agains-trainers/

NRL head of football elite competitions Graham Annesley has outlined how new rules will make the Telstra Premiership faster, more free-flowing and unpredictable in 2021.

Annesley told NRL.com that all the recent rule changes have been "about minimising stoppages, increasing the amount of time the ball is in play, increasing the fatigue factor, trying to open up some spaces on the field and making the game more exciting and entertaining to watch".

Bunker Reviews
Where the on-field referee believes a try is scored the referee will award a try and the bunker will review the decision in the background. A conversion attempt will not be permitted until the Bunker is satisfied a try has been scored.

Obviously we're not as smart as the NRL, so can someone please explain how the bunker overruling the referee makes the game "more free-flowing and unpredictable, more exciting and entertaining to watch."
???

 

[Dragon David]

Yes, but the new rules are supposed to increase the fatigue factor. Check this NRL media release, page 1 in this thread

Yes, correct so when there are stoppages, do you think that the team taking time to take a goal line drop out or forming the scrum or causing any undue delay warrant a penalty being imposed for slowing the game down?

 

[Willow]

Yes, correct so when there are stoppages, do you think that the team taking time to take a goal line drop out or forming the scrum or causing any undue delay warrant a penalty being imposed for slowing the game down?

A penalty for resisting fatigue? That would make me laugh.

But the NRL thinks they've got this covered. They're adjusting the clock to combat stoppages.

 

[The Villain]

Disagree.

They play what 24-30 games a year ?

If the game stretched out to make it 80 minutes of "real" football, like they do in other codes what's the issue?

This isn't the 60's where they played for a pittance and a few beers. They are elite athletes, earning good money.

Yes they are elite athletes. But I think we’re at the limit of how far we can push them.

On the rare occasion we have the full amount of extra time the players are absolutely spent by fulltime. You’re suggesting we add ANOTHER 10 minutes on top of that. And every week.

Players wouldn’t cope and injuries would multiply due to fatigue.

AFL and soccer go for longer but neither sport is as physically demanding as rugby league.

 

[TruSaint]

Yes they are elite athletes. But I think we’re at the limit of how far we can push them.

On the rare occasion we have the full amount of extra time the players are absolutely spent by fulltime. You’re suggesting we add ANOTHER 10 minutes on top of that. And every week.

Players wouldn’t cope and injuries would multiply due to fatigue.

AFL and soccer go for longer but neither sport is as physically demanding as rugby league.

Fair enough. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[boardlumps62]

As soon as a try is scored stop the clock. Start again at kick off. If your team is behind you don't want time wasting. But we have the problem with telecast. Ok if you want to see the full match go to the ground that will get the crowds back. TV games delayed then we watch a short version and if you want the full match watch a replay of the unedited version. Has to be an answer. TV has screwed up the game again.

 

[TruSaint]

As soon as a try is scored stop the clock. Start again at kick off. If your team is behind you don't want time wasting. But we have the problem with telecast. Ok if you want to see the full match go to the ground that will get the crowds back. TV games delayed then we watch a short version and if you want the full match watch a replay of the unedited version. Has to be an answer. TV has screwed up the game again.

Yep, it's all about TV rights and timeslots.

 

[Slackboy72]

Free flowing policy.

Like ripped off scabs openly weeping policy.