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Rd1: Eels v Titans GAME DAY THREAD @ Comm Bank Stadium 13/3/22

Poupou Escobar

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Yeah but the sample size is small.
You won't often get a bigger sample from a rookie and in any case it was enough games to outperform Drown in creativity over a larger sample of games. Jake Arthur also had good output in a slightly larger sample in reserve grade. His ability to set up tries and his support play are no fluke. He has also attempted 175 tackles in first grade for an impressive 87% effective rate. That's enough tackles to tell whether he can defend or not. In a similar volume of defensive work in reserve grade he was tackling at 89%

It might be fair to say he's not ready to play 20 games as a starter but he's as ready for first grade as any other backup. And the more games he plays the more ready he's going to be. I'll wait until he costs us a game before I put shit on him.
 
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You won't often get a bigger sample from a rookie and in any case it was enough games to outperform Drown in creativity over a larger sample of games. Jake Arthur also had good output in a slightly larger sample in reserve grade. His ability to set up tries and his support play are no fluke. He has also attempted 175 tackles in first grade for an impressive 87% effective rate. That's enough tackles to tell whether he can defend or not. In a similar volume of defensive work in reserve grade he was tackling at 89%

It might be fair to say he's not ready to play 20 games as a starter but he's as ready for first grade as any other backup. And the more games he plays the more ready he's going to be. I'll wait until he costs us a game before I put shit on him.
That might be true but he wasn't selected as a backup. And commenting on how he looks out there is just that, sharing an opinion.
 

Happy MEel

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But we were holding onto a big lead and the whole team shat itself. Defence and attack. How is that Jake Arthur's fault?
Sunday’s game is not what I’m worried about. We gambled on a reserve grader half on the bench on Sunday and we were lucky to hold on to the lead we had. The defence wasn’t his fault and I’m the first to admit it was shit. But even if we fix our defence, what does JA actually offer? He’s certainly a worse option than Brown in the halves. Has Brown shown anything to suggest he’s a revelation in the centres, enough to offset JA’s inability to score points? I certainly don’t think so and the points scored (or lack thereof) when he came on is at least some evidence that supports this. So why is he on the bench? The fact we couldnt score a try once he came on (and struggled to score last year when he was in the halves) gives me great concern for the future if Arthur senior keeps picking him.
 
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Happy MEel

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I reckon he was. He's hardly an impact sub, and so far we've only seen him in the NRL as a replacement for injured players.
A backup is a player who plays if the regular players are injured. JA was picked in the 17 in the first game of the season with plenty of other options left out. BA sees Junior as more than a backup.
 
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Poupou Escobar

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Sunday’s game is not what I’m worried about. We gambled on a reserve grader half on the bench on Sunday and we were lucky to hold on to the lead we had. The defence wasn’t his fault and I’m the first to admit it was shit. But even if we fix our defence, what does JA actually offer? He’s certainly a worse option than Brown in the halves. Has Brown shown anything to suggest he’s a revelation in the centres, enough to offset JA’s inability to score points? I certainly don’t think so and the points scored (or lack thereof) when he came on is at least some evidence that supports this. So why is he on the bench? The fact we couldnt score a try once he came on (and struggled to score last year when he was in the halves) gives me great concern for the future if Arthur senior keeps picking him.
We didn't score for the same reason we suddenly conceded so many on Sunday. Our effort dropped off.

But if you think we can't score points with Jake Arthur (after just over half a game) you're ignoring the three occasions when we scored 20+ with him in the team last year. But somehow his most recent 46 minutes is more indicative of his impact on the team?

Yes we struggled to score in four (of seven) games Arthur played last year but they were against two top four teams (Penrith and Manly) plus the Raiders and Chooks. We still had no trouble scoring against weaker teams (like the Titans) and Arthur even created some tries. The exposure is good for his development, and didn't cost us at all on Sunday. It wasn't the reason we blew a 14 point lead, that's for f**king sure.
 

Poupou Escobar

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A backup is a player who plays if the regular players are injured. JA was picked in the 17 in the first game of the season with plenty of other options left out. BA sees Junior as more than a backup.
Well obviously. Given no better option for the bench, why not play the young backup who will benefit from first grade experience against a weaker defensive team? I reckon it's the reason Russell was picked over the more reliable/experienced Opacic. I think if we'd kept the lead and Russell had stayed on the field, we would've seen Arthur given some minutes in the second half. But if it had remained as close at it was he probably would've stayed on the bench.
 

Happy MEel

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Well obviously. Given no better option for the bench, why not play the young backup who will benefit from first grade experience against a weaker defensive team? I reckon it's the reason Russell was picked over the more reliable/experienced Opacic. I think if we'd kept the lead and Russell had stayed on the field, we would've seen Arthur given some minutes in the second half. But if it had remained as close at it was he probably would've stayed on the bench.
No better option for the bench? What changed from a week ago or what did you see on Sunday that changed your opinion from this comment referring to Arthur on the bench:


I don't like the look of it.

and this:

All true but is JA in our best 17 available this week? I'm unconvinced.

Maybe he really is the perfect backup?!?

We had several better options on the bench. I agreed (and liked) both of these comments and what I saw on Sunday only reaffirmed these same concerns you shared.
 
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JokerEel

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No better option for the bench? What changed from a week ago or what did you see on Sunday that changed your opinion from this comment referring to Arthur on the bench:




and this:



We had several better options on the bench. I agreed (and liked) both of these comments and what I saw on Sunday only reaffirmed these same concerns you shared.

Out bench was the least of the problem from Sunday's game...
 

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