RD12 Vs Sea Eagles

[BxTom]

Not from me. I’ve always been an advocate for the importance of experience, but they need to be able to cut it as a player as well.

MWZ can’t hold a candle to Staines talent, it’s a no brainer of a selection.

In some situations I would back To'o over Staines. Staines has got pace, but we haven't seen him make his own way through players like To'o has. It's all good being able fall over the line, but sometimes it takes more than just pace. And ypu are fixated on pace - you use it in every second argumant for dumping Mansour and Whare.

 

[Kilkenny]

We already know Ivan preferred Staines over MWZ when they were both fit.

What possible reason would there be for sticking with MWZ? You called him safe, but his lack of speed cost us a titans try last weekend. He’s not first grade standard. The type of guy you select when there’s literally no other option. Harsh but true.

The last time I suggested maybe the coach is in the best position to judge you rather harshly referred to me as something rather unpleasant. Again I simply make the point maybe Ivan Cleary is in the best position to judge and if he goes with MWZ well perhaps we should back his judgement. Not for minute suggesting MWZ is going to be there long term it is just one week.

 

[betcats]

In some situations I would back To'o over Staines. Staines has got pace, but we haven't seen him make his own way through players like To'o has. It's all good being able fall over the line, but sometimes it takes more than just pace. And ypu are fixated on pace - you use it in every second argumant for dumping Mansour and Whare.

He had four tackle breaks so thats pretty good given his size. He wont run through players and pick up post contact metres like To'o but with that speed he will take advantage of plenty of chances that none of our other backs could.

 

[Kilkenny]

It was only one game. But in that one game he did more than MWZ will ever do.

I’m stunned anyone would think MWZ might be a better option than Staines.

It’s just one game. Re read what I posted originally. No where did I suggest MWZ was our long term option I simply alluded to the fact given the circumstances, the player whom Staines/MWZ may be marking up against and the unknown around Staines lockjaw situation I can understand if Ivan (not me) takes the safe option.

 

[herbert henry1908]

In some situations I would back To'o over Staines. Staines has got pace, but we haven't seen him make his own way through players like To'o has. It's all good being able fall over the line, but sometimes it takes more than just pace. And ypu are fixated on pace - you use it in every second argumant for dumping Mansour and Whare.

To’o is quick enough, that’s the difference.

Yes, I think speed in important for the backline. Hardly an groundbreaking sentiment. For a while we’ve had a slow backline, and I think it’s demonstrated by the fact Mansour & Whare hardly ever score tries. All the young talent we’ve brought in, To’o, Staines, Naden & Crichton have been able to find the try line. Pretty stark contrast to Mansour & Whare who have scored around 7 tries between them in their last 60 games.

 

[betcats]

It’s just one game. Re read what I posted originally. No where did I suggest MWZ was our long term option I simply alluded to the fact given the circumstances, the player whom Staines/MWZ may be marking up against and the unknown around Staines lockjaw situation I can understand if Ivan (not me) takes the safe option.

Sione Katoa was a pretty tough cover for him to make his debut against. Tafua will be another tough cover for him if that happens but the other side of that is Charlie will only need a small amount of space to burn Tafua with the ball.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The last time I suggested maybe the coach is in the best position to judge you rather harshly referred to me as something rather unpleasant. Again I simply make the point maybe Ivan Cleary is in the best position to judge and if he goes with MWZ well perhaps we should back his judgement. Not for minute suggesting MWZ is going to be there long term it is just one week.

I was sick of hearing your argument that the posters on these boards should defer to the coach. People are here to give their opinions. Some people have original thoughts.

 

[mxlegend99]

There's a much greater obsession with removing any player over 22 out of squad or anyone that can't run 100m in under 10 seconds.

Change the age from 22 to 30 and just expecting backs to be faster than our forwards.

Moses Leota and Mitch Kenny have shown more pace this season than the back 3 we had last weekend.

 

[The_Frog]

I was sick of hearing your argument that the posters on these boards should defer to the coach. People are here to give their opinions. Some people have original thoughts.

This is my not-so-original thought. Two errors (one of those a refereeing error) and one missed tackle by our back three. How many line breaks or how many seconds over 50 metres does this equal? I don't know but it seems to me that not making errors is a pretty desirable trait, maybe just as desirable as speed or attacking flair. The aim is to get them all in the one package.

 

[franklin2323]

Edwards
To'o
Naden
Crichton are set

Mansour, Whare and Staines are left fighting out for the last spot. A very good place to be in especially given some on here were worried about whether we had backs

 

[franklin2323]

This is my not-so-original thought. Two errors (one of those a refereeing error) and one missed tackle by our back three. How many line breaks or how many seconds over 50 metres does this equal? I don't know but it seems to me that not making errors is a pretty desirable trait, maybe just as desirable as speed or attacking flair. The aim is to get them all in the one package.

starting sets off well helps our pack get on the front foot. It is a good problem to have

 

[WestyLife]

Edwards
To'o
Naden
Crichton are set

Mansour, Whare and Staines are left fighting out for the last spot. A very good place to be in especially given some on here were worried about whether we had backs

Yeah it's To'o's wing they're just filling it until he's back. Another good reason for Staines as he can get game Time and drop back having learned a bit of first grade.

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah it's To'o's wing they're just filling it until he's back. Another good reason for Staines as he can get game Time and drop back having learned a bit of first grade.

I think Staines and MWZ will both play this week. Surely Mansour rests the knee up but To'o is back in 4 weeks. Perfect to give Staines a taste before going back or to show he should be on the other wing

 

[herbert henry1908]

This is my not-so-original thought. Two errors (one of those a refereeing error) and one missed tackle by our back three. How many line breaks or how many seconds over 50 metres does this equal? I don't know but it seems to me that not making errors is a pretty desirable trait, maybe just as desirable as speed or attacking flair. The aim is to get them all in the one package.

I’m definitely not saying that lack of errors isn’t important, I’m saying that you need more than just that to be a good player. Guys like Aikens & MWZ won’t cut it at the business end of the season, I’d rather get as much experience in to Staines as possible in case we need him later.

The very slight risk of playing Staines is easily outweighed by the benefits.

 

[herbert henry1908]

starting sets off well helps our pack get on the front foot. It is a good problem to have

Mansour’s meters are overrated. He gives heaps of effort, but for all that effort a fast winger can do more by going around his opponents. To’o I think will be able to replace a lot of that role anyway.

I don’t expect Mansour will be replaced this year unless Staines has an absolute blinder the next few weeks, though.

 

[franklin2323]

Mansour’s meters are overrated. He gives heaps of effort, but for all that effort a fast winger can do more by going around his opponents. To’o I think will be able to replace a lot of that role anyway.

I don’t expect Mansour will be replaced this year unless Staines has an absolute blinder the next few weeks, though.

Compare his overall stats to other wingers though. His 3 Try Assists rank him 2nd. Tackle busts etc. he probably ranks in the top 5. Certainly top 10 overall.

So I think he gets the 5th spot in the backline

 

[betcats]

Staines ball control has always been good, he will be safer than Mansour in that area almost certainly. Defensively I dunno we didn’t see him get tested a lot against the sharks and I’ve only seen him play fullback prior to that but I doubt Ivan would of picked him over MWZ the first time if he was concerned over his defence.

 

[betcats]

Compare his overall stats to other wingers though. His 3 Try Assists rank him 2nd. Tackle busts etc. he probably ranks in the top 5. Certainly top 10 overall.

So I think he gets the 5th spot in the backline

If Staines can be even half as good as he looked on debut over the next few weeks I think Sauce is goooone.

 

[Fangs]

Staines is a small lad. Taufua might give him some grief. One on one I'd back Taufua every time. So cover defence from the inside must be on point.

 

[franklin2323]

If Staines can be even half as good as he looked on debut over the next few weeks I think Sauce is goooone.

he gives up 10-15kg on most wingers. So it will be hard in the physical stuff that is why I don't see him handling it that well just yet.