Rd14: Eels v Bulldogs GAME DAY THREAD @ Accor Stadium 13/6/22

[the phantom menace]

The point is they're not going to get everyone they want and they're not going to be able to sign or re-sign players they want at a price that represents value. It's not like picking a rep team, where NSW and Qld aren't competing for the same players. Demand from other clubs drives prices up. This is why no coach has the team he really wants.

Which is why all the shit you type about that in game day threads is actually redundant.

 

[Avenger]

I think today was Arthur's worst coaching performance of his career. No chance that a top line coach would lose to the team coming last like that.

 

[eels_fan]

Well BA basically said all 34 players involved today across both grades were shit and not up for it. So I’m guessing we’ll have a copy and pasted team for Roosters given the seconds were shit too.

I’d be starting Rein, not because he’s better than Reed, but because I’m sick of Reed’s decision making, service and overruling Moses.

Sivo can also take off again, Waqa to wing and Opa back

 

[hineyrulz]

I dont often post much about the coaches impact on a game (win or lose) because to be honest, I dont think week to week preparation changes much, except where relevant to specific teams we are playing. So for me, wins and losses are actually more as a the result of the performance put in by the players who are executing on the day.

Take Lane for example. Only he decided to be lazy on the days when he is. And not on the days when he isnt. He isnt coached to do that. Same goes for Moses deciding to put the ball down one-handed. That was his choice.

So if the coach has good enough preparation methods to get us up for wins against the top teams, then those methods should be good enough against the weaker teams. When you lose a game like we did today, it wasnt about a lucky or unlucky bounce, or about a bad ref call, or a freaky intercept play, it was about individual players who are supposedly professional, deciding for whatever reason that they dont want to do their best today. That is on them and that is why my posts tend to focus on where I think players have let us down.

And yes, I do think we should look at some new coaching staff to freshen up the environment, as long as the decision is taken in a controlled (i.e non-reactive) process.

Sorry for my Ram like rant.

TLDR: f**k the players and the coach.

Lane has always been lazy, its why he was at 3 clubs before ours. Why should the coach or any of us be shocked at what he offers up??? He wouldn't last at a club like the Storm thats for sure. We continually sign dumb lazy players and then we are all shocked when they are dumb and lazy lol. Sivo being rewarded with a spot straight back in after Oppa had done a more than solid job for us. Sivo us one of the laziest player to pull on an Eels jersey. Why should we be shocked when he offers SFA and is lazy??

 

[strider]

We should never play bottom teams on public holidays. Done by the Tigpies on Easter Monday and now the Bullfrogs on the Queen's Birthday holiday.

I think our team takes the public holiday thing to heart

 

[IFR33K]

A pineapple a day keeps the doctor away.

and hair on the head

 

[Gary Gutful]

I dont often post much about the coaches impact on a game (win or lose) because to be honest, I dont think week to week preparation changes much, except where relevant to specific teams we are playing. So for me, wins and losses are actually more as a the result of the performance put in by the players who are executing on the day.

Take Lane for example. Only he decided to be lazy on the days when he is. And not on the days when he isnt. He isnt coached to do that. Same goes for Moses deciding to put the ball down one-handed. That was his choice.

So if the coach has good enough preparation methods to get us up for wins against the top teams, then those methods should be good enough against the weaker teams. When you lose a game like we did today, it wasnt about a lucky or unlucky bounce, or about a bad ref call, or a freaky intercept play, it was about individual players who are supposedly professional, deciding for whatever reason that they dont want to do their best today. That is on them and that is why my posts tend to focus on where I think players have let us down.

And yes, I do think we should look at some new coaching staff to freshen up the environment, as long as the decision is taken in a controlled (i.e non-reactive) process.

Sorry for my Ram like rant.

TLDR: f**k the players and the coach.

This post will be overlooked but it nails it for me.

The players are largely responsible for efforts like tonight. They were f**ken shit. Sure the coach is accountable but it would be foolish to think that the complacent, lazy slugs on the field will magically turn into world beaters under a new coach.

That said, I'm not suggesting BA has immunity. By all means get rid of him. He's been around a long time and we might do OK with a fresh voice. Realistically though, I'm not expecting miracles from anyone else.

 

[yy_cheng]

I dont often post much about the coaches impact on a game (win or lose) because to be honest, I dont think week to week preparation changes much, except where relevant to specific teams we are playing. So for me, wins and losses are actually more as a the result of the performance put in by the players who are executing on the day.

Take Lane for example. Only he decided to be lazy on the days when he is. And not on the days when he isnt. He isnt coached to do that. Same goes for Moses deciding to put the ball down one-handed. That was his choice.

So if the coach has good enough preparation methods to get us up for wins against the top teams, then those methods should be good enough against the weaker teams. When you lose a game like we did today, it wasnt about a lucky or unlucky bounce, or about a bad ref call, or a freaky intercept play, it was about individual players who are supposedly professional, deciding for whatever reason that they dont want to do their best today. That is on them and that is why my posts tend to focus on where I think players have let us down.

And yes, I do think we should look at some new coaching staff to freshen up the environment, as long as the decision is taken in a controlled (i.e non-reactive) process.

Sorry for my Ram like rant.

TLDR: f**k the players and the coach.

Are You saying they don't make specific game plans for each opponent? I though that was the coach's job

Thats part of the preparation

 

[Gary Gutful]

I think there is a leadership problem both on and off the field.

Doesn't help when our dickhead Co-Captain has held the club to ransom with his last two re-signings. Our leadership group is very poor compared to the better clubs.

 

[DaveMc]

I think today was Arthur's worst coaching performance of his career. No chance that a top line coach would lose to the team coming last like that.

I actually disagree. I don’t think today was a case of being outcoached tactically, I think the blame for that sort of performance has to sit with the players. That’s not to defend Arthur, there are plenty of examples of him being outcoached (I think the Cowboys game this season was a clear example of it), but a performance like that isn’t mainly on the coach for me. It may be a symptom of the coaching, but it’s not the cause of it.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Are You saying they don't make specific game plans for each opponent? I though that was the coach's job

Thats part of the preparation

Yep. They mix it up:

Round 1 - Play good footy
Round 2 - Play really good footy
Round 3 - Keep it simple and just get back to playing good footy

 

[emjaycee]

I dont often post much about the coaches impact on a game (win or lose) because to be honest, I dont think week to week preparation changes much, except where relevant to specific teams we are playing. So for me, wins and losses are actually more as a the result of the performance put in by the players who are executing on the day.

Take Lane for example. Only he decided to be lazy on the days when he is. And not on the days when he isnt. He isnt coached to do that. Same goes for Moses deciding to put the ball down one-handed. That was his choice.

So if the coach has good enough preparation methods to get us up for wins against the top teams, then those methods should be good enough against the weaker teams. When you lose a game like we did today, it wasnt about a lucky or unlucky bounce, or about a bad ref call, or a freaky intercept play, it was about individual players who are supposedly professional, deciding for whatever reason that they dont want to do their best today. That is on them and that is why my posts tend to focus on where I think players have let us down.

And yes, I do think we should look at some new coaching staff to freshen up the environment, as long as the decision is taken in a controlled (i.e non-reactive) process.

Sorry for my Ram like rant.

TLDR: f**k the players and the coach.

Are You saying they don't make specific game plans for each opponent? I though that was the coach's job

Thats part of the preparation

Nope, I said that in the bold bit above.

 

[yy_cheng]

Nope, I said that in the bold bit above.

I think ba isn't doing that part. We basically do the same thing

 

[hineyrulz]

Are You saying they don't make specific game plans for each opponent? I though that was the coach's job

Thats part of the preparation

Under Brian Smith we would have a different game plan every week, i remember that semi final in 98 against the Donkey's at ANZ when we kicked the ball into touch at every opportunity. It drove them nuts, the game was so stop and start and they couldn't get into the game.

Bea has one plan, every single week with no plan B, when plan A fails we get towelled up. Thats why i laugh when people think we could go massively backwards with a change of coach. We are so seriously under coached it's not funny. With horrible defensive and attacking structures which we've had for 9 seasons.

 

[Matty Bhoy]

I haven’t had the displeasure of watching the game yet and maybe you can tell by my posting style that I don’t usually throw the baby out with the bath water following a loss. I will say this though… results like today’s often sound the death knell for coaches and we’ve had two of them this season alone.

 

[Wally21]

This post will be overlooked but it nails it for me.

The players are largely responsible for efforts like tonight. They were f**ken shit. Sure the coach is accountable but it would be foolish to think that the complacent, lazy slugs on the field will magically turn into world beaters under a new coach.

That said, I'm not suggesting BA has immunity. By all means get rid of him. He's been around a long time and we might do OK with a fresh voice. Realistically though, I'm not expecting miracles from anyone else.

Everything yourself and Emjaycee have said rings true. The reason why so many fans are frustrated however is that this is the coaches roster. He has had 9 years.
The players were awful and all need a massive kick up the arse. They should be truly ashamed.
Emjaycee did say it in another post. We lack leadership on and off the field. It’s time to go in a different direction. It needs to start with a change of coach and then a rebuild of the roster if the players don’t give the best account of themselves week in week out regardless of who we are playing.

 

[yy_cheng]

Under Brian Smith we would have a different game plan every week, i remember that semi final in 98 against the Donkey's at ANZ when we kicked the ball into touch at every opportunity. It drove them nuts, the game was so stop and start and they couldn't get into the game.

Bea has one plan, every single week with no plan B, when plan A fails we get towelled up. Thats why i laugh when people think we could go massively backwards with a change of coach. We are so seriously under coached it's not funny. With horrible defensive and attacking structures which we've had for 9 seasons.

Totally agree.

I loved Brian Smith. It was really good watching us win games we weren't expected to win

I still remember reading somewhere where joey said theres someone who is stubborn at the Eels and not willing to make change and implement new things. Though I can't find the link.

I thought it was gutho and his arrogance but now me thinks it is ba

 

[Gary Gutful]

Under Brian Smith we would have a different game plan every week, i remember that semi final in 98 against the Donkey's at ANZ when we kicked the ball into touch at every opportunity. It drove them nuts, the game was so stop and start and they couldn't get into the game.

Bea has one plan, every single week with no plan B, when plan A fails we get towelled up. Thats why i laugh when people think we could go massively backwards with a change of coach. We are so seriously under coached it's not funny. With horrible defensive and attacking structures which we've had for 9 seasons.

Do you remember another game other than the 98 semi final where we had a specific game plan for a specific team on a specific ocassion during Smith's time as coach? Specifically 97-06.

 

[IFR33K]

Not sure if you watched reserve grade but the bit of saw of Rein he was horrid. He went down the blind side on the second tackle and threw the ball into row 2. Then we had the opposition stretched he tries to barge over from dummy half and gets held up and we lose all our momentum. Reed was shit today but Rein isn't the answer.

and he’s signed for next season as cover for old man hodgo

 

[Gary Gutful]

Everything yourself and Emjaycee have said rings true. The reason why so many fans are frustrated however is that this is the coaches roster. He has had 9 years.
The players were awful and all need a massive kick up the arse. They should be truly ashamed.
Emjaycee did say it in another post. We lack leadership on and off the field. It’s time to go in a different direction. It needs to start with a change of coach and then a rebuild of the roster if the players don’t give the best account of themselves week in week out regardless of who we are playing.

I'm cool with getting a new coach. I wish whoever it might be all the best.