Rd14: Eels v Bulldogs GAME DAY THREAD @ Accor Stadium 13/6/22

[Chipmunk]

I think the team needs a bit of siege mentality and a bit criticism into them to fire them up.

We got pummeled in Darwin.

JA copped the brunt of it and the senior players arched up in the media over the social media backlash they then went out and knocked over penrith 6 days later.

They are just coasting atm. And they simply don't have the right mental preparation to deal with positive press.

I tend to agree, and I'm interested to see how we go this week.

 

[TheRam]

Sure you could sack a coach for that, but you would need to pay out his entire contract in doing so.

So be it. Money well spent to rid ourselves of a losing coach. He has done all he can do. Now he will only meander and go nowhere but backwards.

Bring in Flano now and see us go up a gear. These boys have talent. They just need someone that knows his sh*t to bring it out of them before the team loses its wheels altogether.

An experienced new premiership winning voice alone should reengage this stale lot. BA's stale and predictable 'chase the collision' is probably driving them insane. They get that already, they are at a point where they need more and a little imagination that the coach just can't deliver.

I would make it my priority also to make Cooper Cronk an offer to good to refuse to jump ship and become a assistant attacking coach whether we get rid of BA or not. I don't care if BA wants him or not. I would instruct Cooper to work on our attacking structures and get them to repeat them over and over a bazillion times till they get them down pat and then get them to do them another bazillion times again, just like how Cooper says he and the Storm used to do it back when he was there. All those plays didn't just manifest all by themselves.

Also I would test each player when they arrive at our club in the lower grades and see what their left to right and right to left passing is like when running at speed. If they can't hit the bullseye at least 9 times out of 10 from 15m away, from both sides, then they get to practice it a bazillion times until they can and then practice it a bazillion time again. I am sick to death at watching professional RL players who their job is only to play football and are paid handsomely to do it not know how to pass properly from either side and therefore pass way to early before drawing the defender and then passing because they sh*t themselves and just want to get rid of it early before they get to close and the pass gets more difficult or they just stuff it up totally without any pressure at all other then running at speed. That Canberra centre on the weekend is a perfect example where he stuffed up two certain tries because of his inability to pass well. Our players have displayed this failing on many occasions also in every game, but less spectacularly bad then the Canberra guy, but sometimes that bad too.

 

[Soto]

And clearly he wasn't. Their attack is better now under Andrew Webster.
Comps are won on defence. Our defence is horrid

 

[King-Gutho94]

Wasn't Barrett meant to be the mastermind behind there attack?

Didn't not end well at the Dogs...

Barrett is an a-grade wanker with an ego as big as chin.

Whenever the dogs had a victory he had to front and center of the celebration or crying on the sideline. Or when was holding Gus's pocket in the off-season parading himself with Kikau & Mahoney.

He couldn't manage a chook raffle and look at the way he treated Hastings at Manly then Flanagan at Canterbury.

No man management skills get you nowhere as a first grade coach.

 

[Cloeel]

Barrett is an a-grade wanker with an ego as big as chin.

Whenever the dogs had a victory he had to front and center of the celebration or crying on the sideline. Or when was holding Gus's pocket in the off-season parading himself with Kikau & Mahoney.

He couldn't manage a chook raffle and look at the way he treated Hastings at Manly then Flanagan at Canterbury.

No man management skills get you nowhere as a first grade coach.

Exactly.

More highlighting the correlations between what is being said about Ciraldo currently and what was being said about Barrett in the lead up to signing with the Dogs as Head coach.

 

[Chipmunk]

So be it. Money well spent to rid ourselves of a losing coach. He has done all he can do. Now he will only meander and go nowhere but backwards.

I don't disagree, but as I have outlined in another post, the board have been chosen purely for their corporate responsibility and little else. I'm not even sure any of them follow rugby league, let alone supported the team previously.

It would be pretty corporately irresponsible for a board to sack a coach with 2 1/2 years to run on his contract.

 

[yy_cheng]

So when the players start saying it was the playing group, the coach will be going soon

It's probably because we play eyes up attack rather than have set plays that the team can rely on.
We only have 1 which is the block play that we consistently use.


We used to have others like run arounds etc but they are rarely seen.

So when we are in trouble, we have nothing to fall back to in attack and so just throw it wide and hope someone makes a break

 

[Chipmunk]

And the only reason I raised the point in the first place is that you said they won’t sack the coach cause they don’t know football.

No, that is a misinterpretation of what I was saying.

What I was saying is that they have been chosen entirely for their corporate responsibility and it would be pretty corporately irresponsible to sack and have to pay out a coach 2 1/2 years of his salary, given the amount he is paid.

 

[hindy111]

Beat the Roosters and seasons back on......
I don't want to give up yet. The next 3 games will shape us. Let's just see how it unfolds.

 

[Rocket man]

I’d give John Morris a go if we sacked him before next season. Ciraldo is a gamble. I’d also enquire about Todd Payten and offer him the gig in advance.

Would love to get Payton

 

[TheRam]

I’d give John Morris a go if we sacked him before next season. Ciraldo is a gamble. I’d also enquire about Todd Payten and offer him the gig in advance.

What?

He is capable at best, but coaching the noughts and crosses isn't what makes or breaks a coach generally. He hasn't got gravitas or drawing power. Whoever we get has to have a very attractive profile in the game and capable in drawing quality player to our club when the money is roughly the same. Morris is not that and there were rumours when at the Sharks that he was a little overawed at times. Sure he was new to the roll, but I don't want another experiment coach unless he brings presence and gravitas.

 

[IFR33K]

Beat the Roosters and seasons back on......
I don't want to give up yet. The next 3 games will shape us. Let's just see how it unfolds.

forwards look broken. Not sure they can sustain bash and barge for great success.

 

[Wally21]

No, that is a misinterpretation of what I was saying.

What I was saying is that they have been chosen entirely for their corporate responsibility and it would be pretty corporately irresponsible to sack and have to pay out a coach 2 1/2 years of his salary, given the amount he is paid.

Also corporately irresponsible to keep the coach after such mediocre performances, regardless of the payout. The shareholders (in this case the majority of fans) expect more than he is able to deliver. Therefore using your analogy of corporate governance/responsibility and with their backgrounds as you suggest from finance etc, they would be very used to making significant payouts to get rid of an under-performing leader.

 

[strider]

I thought they where @strider testicle.

good lookin set hey!!

 

[Angry_eel]

Ray Hadley calls on Eels overhaul to help break 36-year drought - The Ray Hadley Morning Show

Ray Hadley is questioning Parramatta Eels coach Brad Arthur's ability to break the team's near 36-year drought.

omny.fm

I stopped listening when the words "my old mate Dennis Fitzgerald" came in.

 

[JokerEel]

I stopped listening when the words "my old mate Dennis Fitzgerald" came in.

Anyone who listens to Raaaay and doesn't think he has an underlying agenda should have their heads read...

 

[Chipmunk]

Also corporately irresponsible to keep the coach after such mediocre performances, regardless of the payout. The shareholders (in this case the majority of fans) expect more than he is able to deliver. Therefore using your analogy of corporate governance/responsibility and with their backgrounds as you suggest from finance etc, they would be very used to making significant payouts to get rid of an under-performing leader.

Why would it be corporately irresponsible. The biggest financial investor in the organisation (the NRL) will pay us the same amount of money whether we're first or last?

I suspect it is difficult to justify that making the Top 8 for 3 straight seasons is mediocre too.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Probably too good for reserves but maybe not good enough for 1sts.

Agreed, and I’d say this applies to a lot of players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The issue remains, that the coach is supposed to be the Subject Matter Expert and in charge of the main product of the organization which is to compete in the NRL and perform better than competitors. The CEO doesn’t need to be a rugby league expert, the supervisory board needs no knowledge of the game. That’s why they employ a coach and in some cases a coaching director or Head of Football.
Regardless of the semantics, the point I made was that no organization keeps a person who is most responsible for delivering metrics if they don’t. They might get away with one year but no more. And the only reason I raised the point in the first place is that you said they won’t sack the coach cause they don’t know football.

I’m sure they’re aware they could find another coach who knows the game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Depends on what is in his contract. If it is to finish in the top 8 and win 2 finals games in his 9 years, he has achieved his objectives.
The vast majority of fans that I know, (along with it seems the majority of supporters who post here) who spend their hard earned money to support the club, seem to have a far higher expectation than make the finals and bow out.
Either way, this is going absolutely nowhere and the point is, that the vast majority of sporting or corporate organizations would not accept this mediocrity over such a long period of time.
End of story

The point is, it’s only mediocrity from the perspective of people with unrealistic expectations of our team (i.e. passionate fans). Arthur’s record has been pretty good, and only looking at finals in isolation does it look bad. But the board and CEO are smart people and they would be aware that judging eight games out of a couple hundred is a very poor way to make decisions. It is such a small sample, and only has meaning when dopes apply a narrative.

This is sports entertainment, so narratives are a big part of the product, and dopes are a significant part of the target market. You can expect blame narratives from the media. But rational decision makers should be avoiding those sorts of assessments.