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Kiwi said:the are mind altering or hallucinogens are they not?
So in that case we can compare alcohol to heroin?
Kiwi said:the are mind altering or hallucinogens are they not?
Kiwi said:eeelectroshooting? said:i havent said its smart
however... evidence from studies and anecdotal case reports indicate that the long term behavioral changes after MDMA use are generally regarded as positive. does positive=smart? These people report having lowered impulsiveness and hostility, improved social/interpersonal functioning as well as changes in religious/ spiritual orientation or practice. One of the only substantiated claims about long term physical damage is that being done to the teeth of users. (note: no mental illness evidence) Findings from the study The occurrence of toothwear in users of Ecstasy (1999) indicate the severity of toothwear and the number of teeth affected were greater in Ecstasy users than in a group of non-users (60%:11%, users: non-users). This could be attributed to the continual teeth grinding (Bruxia) and jaw clenching (Trisma) which are common side effects of MDMA use.
if thats the worst MDMA has to offer.....
it has already been brought up about violence associated with alcohol and not other drugs. there's another advantage. although i know not everyone gets violent.
certain hallucinogens have been known to 'open the third eye of perception' allowing the user (even from one use) to have heightened artisitc ability, and for those not artistically inclined have an increased awareness for beauty and nature.
So thats the worst drugs like heroin, cocaine ect offer. Well there you go people, nothing to be worried about. So next time a drug addict breaks into your house, get them to paint you a picture or tell you how beautiful you are before they attack you. Atleast then you'll have a nice painting to show at the funeral or feel good about yourself while they're beating you.
cainen said:Kiwi said:I like how you had to throw something completely irrelevant like gambling in there to try an make a point.
It's entirely relevant as it's an addiction. If a junkie breaks into your house and steals your things, it's not because theyve just shot up, its because they've got an addiction to the drug.
And on addiction, i'm not sure about extasy, but marijuana is not physically addictive. Only mentally, which is the case for anything that feels good.
cainen said:eeelectroshooting? said:i havent said its smart
however... evidence from studies and anecdotal case reports indicate that the long term behavioral changes after MDMA use are generally regarded as positive. does positive=smart? These people report having lowered impulsiveness and hostility, improved social/interpersonal functioning as well as changes in religious/ spiritual orientation or practice. One of the only substantiated claims about long term physical damage is that being done to the teeth of users. (note: no mental illness evidence) Findings from the study The occurrence of toothwear in users of Ecstasy (1999) indicate the severity of toothwear and the number of teeth affected were greater in Ecstasy users than in a group of non-users (60%:11%, users: non-users). This could be attributed to the continual teeth grinding (Bruxia) and jaw clenching (Trisma) which are common side effects of MDMA use.
I agree with you, but what is your source?
Kiwi said:cainen said:Kiwi said:I like how you had to throw something completely irrelevant like gambling in there to try an make a point.
It's entirely relevant as it's an addiction. If a junkie breaks into your house and steals your things, it's not because theyve just shot up, its because they've got an addiction to the drug.
And on addiction, i'm not sure about extasy, but marijuana is not physically addictive. Only mentally, which is the case for anything that feels good.
well lets throw every single addiction in there then shall we?
It's relevant because it's an addiction :roll:
Next we'll be told there are chocolate addicts out there beating people up for for a milky way who are just as bad a drug addicts.
Kiwi said:well lets throw every single addiction in there then shall we?
It's relevant because it's an addiction :roll:
Next we'll be told there are chocolate addicts out there beating people up for for a milky way who are just as bad a drug addicts.
FFS obviously you guys are quite happy to shoot up or what ever it is you do, but don't expect me or society to pat you on the back for it. This really is pointless and getting us nowhere. Something we're gonna have to agree to disagree on.
FFS obviously you guys are quite happy to shoot up or what ever it is you do, but don't expect me or society to pat you on the back for it.
Kiwi said:cainen said:Kiwi said:So thats the worst drugs like heroin, cocaine ect offer. Well there you go people, nothing to be worried about. So next time a drug addict breaks into your house, get them to paint you a picture or tell you how beautiful you are before they attack you. Atleast then you'll have a nice painting to show at the funeral or feel good about yourself while they're beating you.
Can you point out to me where he referred to heroin or cocaine?
the are mind altering or hallucinogens are they not?
eeelectroshooting? said:Kiwi said:cainen said:Kiwi said:So thats the worst drugs like heroin, cocaine ect offer. Well there you go people, nothing to be worried about. So next time a drug addict breaks into your house, get them to paint you a picture or tell you how beautiful you are before they attack you. Atleast then you'll have a nice painting to show at the funeral or feel good about yourself while they're beating you.
Can you point out to me where he referred to heroin or cocaine?
the are mind altering or hallucinogens are they not?
no hallucinogens are hallucinogens (LSD, mushrooms, etc)
cocaine is classed as a stimulant, however quite dissimilar to amphetamines albeit that they work by similar mechansims
heroin is an opiate, an analgesic, very similiar to morphine, and was first made by the international drug company Bayer and sold to all sorta of ailments.
how you can know so little yet feel so passionately i dont understand, if you dont mind me asking has any negative experince happened to you or you family to make you feel this way? or is this all completely unfounded?
cainen said:Kiwi said:well lets throw every single addiction in there then shall we?
It's relevant because it's an addiction :roll:
Next we'll be told there are chocolate addicts out there beating people up for for a milky way who are just as bad a drug addicts.
FFS obviously you guys are quite happy to shoot up or what ever it is you do, but don't expect me or society to pat you on the back for it. This really is pointless and getting us nowhere. Something we're gonna have to agree to disagree on.
Have you ever heard of someone stealing to feed their chocolate addiction? No.
Have you ever heard of someone stealing to feed their gambling addiction? Yes, it happens quite often.
FFS obviously you guys are quite happy to shoot up or what ever it is you do, but don't expect me or society to pat you on the back for it.
Statements like that simply prove how uneducated your opinion is.
Kiwi said:Because I have seen first hand the damage they do. I don't need to go a read up to find out why it should be ok for someone to take drugs, i've seen for myself why it should never be legal or approved of in any way.
Kiwi said:How about we group the drug addicts with rapists, serial killers, child molesters? They rape, kill and molest children to feed their addictions.
cainen said:Kiwi said:Because I have seen first hand the damage they do. I don't need to go a read up to find out why it should be ok for someone to take drugs, i've seen for myself why it should never be legal or approved of in any way.
But you're taking this, and applying it to every single drug out there. Even the government isn't so stupid as to generalise drugs all in the one class.
Kiwi said:Because I have seen first hand the damage they do. I don't need to go a read up to find out why it should be ok for someone to take drugs, i've seen for myself why it should never be legal or approved of in any way.
cainen said:Kiwi said:How about we group the drug addicts with rapists, serial killers, child molesters? They rape, kill and molest children to feed their addictions.
I don't think you're doing your argument any good by saying things like that :roll:
Kiwi said:You know the worst illegal drug I have seen do the most damage to people is dope.
You can sprout all this crap about there being no damage done by it, quote articles, what ever, it does damage, is addictive and should like the rest remain illegal.