Redcliffe most likely to be the next expansion team according to the Telegraph

[jim_57]

Also a 30 minute commute to get a stadium is pretty much the average in every city these days, except Melbourne but their city is well planned when most aren't, so yeah welcome to modern Australia.

I'd argue 30mins even in Melbourne is below average, even though the system is pretty good for getting to the stadium these things still take time in large cities unless you want to pay huge money in rent or mortgage to live in the inner city.

I don't think the NRL needs another team who won't leave their home suburb playing out of a 15-20k ground easily accessible to locals only. Base the team solely in Redcliffe and I fear in 5-10 years once the novelty wears off you could have another Manly.

 

[Walter sobchak]

I don’t have a problem with a Redcliffe/Moreton bay NRL franchise but it must surely be based out of Redcliffe and not Suncorp.

Plus I’d also put Perth and NZ2 before them.

 

[ReddFelon]

According to the Courier Mail, which I assume is identical to the DT article, part of the attraction to Redcliffe is the financial support from the Redcliffe Leagues Club. I'm completely on board with the Dolphins getting the nod, the only options in Brisbane are an established Qld Cup team or the Bombers. The Broncos already are Brisbane's composite team, the Bombers have nothing to separate them from the Broncos. Makes sense then that the smartest option is the team with an easily upgradeable ground and strong financial backing.

Dolphins and Pirates is the right call.

 

[Irish-bulldog]

I'd argue 30mins even in Melbourne is below average, even though the system is pretty good for getting to the stadium these things still take time in large cities unless you want to pay huge money in rent or mortgage to live in the inner city.

I don't think the NRL needs another team who won't leave their home suburb playing out of a 15-20k ground easily accessible to locals only. Base the team solely in Redcliffe and I fear in 5-10 years once the novelty wears off you could have another Manly.

I didn’t think 800,000 was a suburb lol, I’d call that a city. 20 k would be enough, parra’s new stadium is only 30,000.

I can see arguments for both I guess, I just don’t personally think a second team in briabane’s CBD would work, the broncos would swallow a new Brisbane team up, it needs to be a derby a new region.

 

[Irish-bulldog]

According to the Courier Mail, which I assume is identical to the DT article, part of the attraction to Redcliffe is the financial support from the Redcliffe Leagues Club. I'm completely on board with the Dolphins getting the nod, the only options in Brisbane are an established Qld Cup team or the Bombers. The Broncos already are Brisbane's composite team, the Bombers have nothing to separate them from the Broncos. Makes sense then that the smartest option is the team with an easily upgradeable ground and strong financial backing.

Dolphins and Pirates is the right call.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[The Great Dane]

I don’t have a problem with a Redcliffe/Moreton bay NRL franchise but it must surely be based out of Redcliffe and not Suncorp.

Plus I’d also put Perth and NZ2 before them.

No offence but you are obviously from England lol.

As jim_57 put it, a Redcliffe club would just be the Brisbane version of Manly. Unless they are prepared to actively try to expand their reach in Brisbane with the NRL team it's just a really bad idea.

And unless there's huge money on offer up front nobody is getting into the comp before another Brisbane club, a second Brisbane team is just way to valuable to the NRL. Beside that so far there isn't an NZ bid at all unless you count the South Pacific Cyclones which is pipe dream not really an 'NZ bid' anyway, but I'm sure that'll change once the NRL announce the expansion process.

 

[Irish-bulldog]

No offence but you are obviously from England lol.

As jim_57 put it, a Redcliffe club would just be the Brisbane version of Manly. Unless they are prepared to actively try to expand their reach in Brisbane with the NRL team it's just a really bad idea.

And unless there's huge money on offer up front nobody is getting into the comp before another Brisbane club, a second Brisbane team is just way to valuable to the NRL. Beside that so far there isn't an NZ bid at all unless you count the South Pacific Cyclones which is pipe dream not really an 'NZ bid' anyway, but I'm sure that'll change once the NRL announce the expansion process.

Are you actually from Brisbane ? Ever been up this way on holidays ? Lol. Manly doesn’t have a region like Redcliffe do.

 

[The Great Dane]

According to the Courier Mail, which I assume is identical to the DT article, part of the attraction to Redcliffe is the financial support from the Redcliffe Leagues Club. I'm completely on board with the Dolphins getting the nod, the only options in Brisbane are an established Qld Cup team or the Bombers. The Broncos already are Brisbane's composite team, the Bombers have nothing to separate them from the Broncos. Makes sense then that the smartest option is the team with an easily upgradeable ground and strong financial backing.

Dolphins and Pirates is the right call.

Except they aren't the only options...

There's the Western Corridor bid that while it's connected with the Ipswich Jets it isn't an Ipswich bid, and they're undoubtedly at least a few consortium in Brisbane interested in bidding just waiting for the NRL to announce the expansion process.

 

[The Great Dane]

Are you actually from Brisbane ? Ever been up this way on holidays ? Lol. Manly doesn’t have a region like Redcliffe do.

It's not necessarily the region that is the same, it's the attitude, and you perfectly displayed that yourself earlier in the thread.

The NRL doesn't need another club that only represents a tiny part of a bigger city, especially in Brisbane where pretty much the whole city is there for the taking, they need a club that can represent as close to half the cities RL following public as possible.

In other words the NRL needs RL's version of Man Utd and Man City, not a bunch of suburban clubs squabbling over relatively tiny fiefdoms...

 

[Irish-bulldog]

It's not necessarily the region that is the same, it's the attitude, and you perfectly displayed that yourself earlier in the thread.

The NRL doesn't need another club that only represents a tiny part of a bigger city, especially in Brisbane where pretty much the whole city is there for the taking, they need a club that can represent as close to half the cities RL following public as possible.

In other words the NRL needs RL's version of Man Utd and Man City, not a bunch of suburban clubs squabbling over relatively tiny fiefdoms...

But I think you miss a major factor here, Brisbane broncos have already taken Brisbane ?. Sydney’s issue is your thinking too many clubs in the same city no ?. This would technically not be a Brisbane club, Brisbane stops at the pine river, this region doesn’t have a club, it’s not a small area either, nearly a million people wouldn’t be small.

 

[Walter sobchak]

No offence but you are obviously from England lol.

As jim_57 put it, a Redcliffe club would just be the Brisbane version of Manly. Unless they are prepared to actively try to expand their reach in Brisbane with the NRL team it's just a really bad idea.

And unless there's huge money on offer up front nobody is getting into the comp before another Brisbane club, a second Brisbane team is just way to valuable to the NRL. Beside that so far there isn't an NZ bid at all unless you count the South Pacific Cyclones which is pipe dream not really an 'NZ bid' anyway, but I'm sure that'll change once the NRL announce the expansion process.

Yes. I am indeed from England. For my sins. lol.

Like I said for my own selfish reasons and as an outsider looking in I’d personally go with perth and NZ2(preferably Christchurch) for pure expansion reasons but there’s no bid from Christchurch like you say. Plus it’s a big no from me for the South Pacific cyclones.

 

[ReddFelon]

How does a non-regional Brisbane team attract interest though? The whole argument about a second Brisbane team is based on the old BRL fans who didn't like the idea of a composite team in the Broncos. Unless they choose a region, any Suncorp based Brisbane team will just be a second Broncos without the fans.

Redcliffe at least have proposed a model in which they expand outward and incorporate the entirety of Moreton Bay and the Sunshine Coast. I'd say at the least they'll get better support than the Titans.

 

[Walter sobchak]

I’m no expert on the geography of Brisbane and south east Queensland but for a 2nd Brisbane team to work and be successful playing out of Suncorp they would surely need to be an already existing team from within the city of Brisbane?

Training and offices based in a Brisbane suburb whilst playing home matches out of Suncorp. A bit like the bunnies or the bulldogs models in Sydney.

 

[Irish-bulldog]

I think a key point people are missing here is that Redcliffe isn’t actually in Brisbane, it’s in Moreton bay, and closer to the Sunshine Coast then Brisbane is.

It’s not a Brisbane team, it’s in a rapidly growing region north of the pine river which actually seperates them. North lakes, Redcliffe, Murrumba Downs, Caboolture, Griffin-Mango hill, Kallangur, Petrie, deception bay, Burpengary-Narangba , that’s Moreton bay. It’s not a manly in Sydney, understand the area.

If Moreton bay gets a team the nrl will have coverage from the tweed river in nsw, to the Sunshine Coast. Oh and the dolphins have money and actually fans already.

Plonk another team in the CBD and you have a second team in Brisbane that no one cares about because The broncos will crush them.

Ok I’ll stop ranting lol.

 

[Walter sobchak]

I think a key point people are missing here is that Redcliffe isn’t actually in Brisbane, it’s in Moreton bay, and closer to the Sunshine Coast then Brisbane is.

It’s not a Brisbane team, it’s in a rapidly growing region north of the pine river which actually seperates them. North lakes, Redcliffe, Murrumba Downs, Caboolture, Griffin-Mango hill, Kallangur, Petrie, deception bay, Burpengary-Narangba , that’s Moreton bay. It’s not a manly in Sydney, understand the area.

If Moreton bay gets a team the nrl will have coverage from the tweed river in nsw, to the Sunshine Coast. Oh and the dolphins have money and actually fans already.

Plonk another team in the CBD and you have a second team in Brisbane that no one cares about because The broncos will crush them.

Ok I’ll stop ranting lol.

Plus they already have a decent stadium that could easily be expanded by 5000-10000.

 

[The Great Dane]

How does a non-regional Brisbane team attract interest though? The whole argument about a second Brisbane team is based on the old BRL fans who didn't like the idea of a composite team in the Broncos. Unless they choose a region, any Suncorp based Brisbane team will just be a second Broncos without the fans.

Firstly they'd still be regional, just not as specific as Morton bay or Redcliffe. Broadly speaking they'd be the Brisbane version of the North Sydney Bears instead of the Manly Sea Eagles, if you get what I mean.

Secondly, the NRL would differentiate the two clubs based on ideology and not just geography, in other words you accentuate all the positive things that make the club different from the Broncos and play down the similarities, namely you play up the community club vibe and steer the club away from the corporate vibe. In other words you'd paint the narrative of the under dog club of people vs the huge successful corporate monster that crushes all in it's path.

BTW, most of the old BRL fans problem with the Broncos wasn't that they were a "composite" club that attempted to represent all of Brisbane it was that the Broncos were a corporate monster that existed only for their bottom line and not for the fans that was also murdering the local community clubs, well that or if we are honest they didn't like that it was the Broncos becoming the huge club playing the NSWRL and not their favorite BRL club... Anyhow most of the old BRL fans are dead or dying, not saying that any new club shouldn't try to appeal to them, but they definitely shouldn't be the new clubs target audience!

 

[Irish-bulldog]

Plus they already have a decent stadium that could easily be expanded by 5000-10000.

Yep it’s 10,000 already, plus they have more money then most nrl teams, they have investments in land lol and a powerful leagues club,

 

[Walter sobchak]

Yep it’s 10,000 already, plus they have more money then most nrl teams, they have investments in land lol and a powerful leagues club,

Seriously!!! WTF is a “leagues club”??

Are they amateur/junior RL competitions or just clubs with fruit machines and casinos etc?

 

[Mr Angry]

 

[Irish-bulldog]

Seriously!!! WTF is a “leagues club”??

Are they amateur/junior RL competitions or just clubs with fruit machines and casinos etc?

Yeah, restaurants, bars, gambling ,

A phenomenon in Australian rugby league in which hospitality and gaming venues are operated for the benefit of a rugby league club and its community. The football club controls the leagues club through the appointment of board members.In the past, leagues clubs have provided funds to finance the operation of the sporting club, often due to profits made from poker machines . In the 2000s political attacks over corporate governance have led to tax changes that have lessened profitability and meant clubs needed to look at widening their revenue steams.