Redcliffe most likely to be the next expansion team according to the Telegraph

[The Great Dane]

Moreton Bay population 460k - bigger ACT 420k

Brisbane's 2.48 mil beats both by a landslide. . .

Also the Redcliffe Dolphins don't really represent Morton Bay, they represent Redcliffe, and more importantly the NRL doesn't need another small regional club like the Raiders, it needs big (hopefully) profitable clubs that represent big markets.

Morton Bay, i.e. Redcliffe, would be very similar to the Titans in that they would perpetually be in the Broncos shadow without the means to really compete with them, and the last thing the NRL needs is another club similar to the Titans.

 

[T-Boon]

I'd be okay with Redcliffe being the new Brisbane team if they either got rid of the Broncos or relocated them to being the South Brisbane Broncos or Ipswich Broncos or something and get a third Brisbane team in as well.

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane's 2.48 mil beats both by a landslide. . .

Also the Redcliffe Dolphins don't really represent Morton Bay, they represent Redcliffe, and more importantly the NRL doesn't need another small regional club like the Raiders, it needs big (hopefully) profitable clubs that represent big markets.

Morton Bay, i.e. Redcliffe, would be very similar to the Titans in that they would perpetually be in the Broncos shadow without the means to really compete with them, and the last thing the NRL needs is another club similar to the Titans.

I think to expect any new Brisbane team to be anything but in the shadow of Broncos is unrealistic. We wont have another Broncos, what we can have is a viable, sistainable popular team, and that would still put it above half of the current NRL clubs.

Fremantle Dockers will never be as big as WC Eagles but they are all of the above which makes them a valuable addition to the AFL. If a new Brisbane club can avg around 20-25k fans, be a regular top 8 team, stay in the black and draw good tv audiences in Qland then they will have achieved as much as can be expected.

 

[Pippen94]

Brisbane's 2.48 mil beats both by a landslide. . .

Also the Redcliffe Dolphins don't really represent Morton Bay, they represent Redcliffe, and more importantly the NRL doesn't need another small regional club like the Raiders, it needs big (hopefully) profitable clubs that represent big markets.

Morton Bay, i.e. Redcliffe, would be very similar to the Titans in that they would perpetually be in the Broncos shadow without the means to really compete with them, and the last thing the NRL needs is another club similar to the Titans.

Except 2nd team with no point of difference will never work - there's already a team for all Brisbane. In these situations focusing on geographic area has worked best.
Redcliffe is admin center for Morton Bay. Saying locals won't support is like saying people from Granville will reject Parra.
Moreton Bay is not regional - it is part of Brisbane. It counts in TV catchment & will have crosstown rival with Broncos & potentially the Jets if they get in.
2nd & 3rd Brisbane of far more value to NRL then Canberra could ever be.

 

[Pippen94]

I'd be okay with Redcliffe being the new Brisbane team if they either got rid of the Broncos or relocated them to being the South Brisbane Broncos or Ipswich Broncos or something and get a third Brisbane team in as well.

Add third team - Jets

 

[The Great Dane]

I think to expect any new Brisbane team to be anything but in the shadow of Broncos is unrealistic. We wont have another Broncos, what we can have is a viable, sistainable popular team, and that would still put it above half of the current NRL clubs.

Fremantle Dockers will never be as big as WC Eagles but they are all of the above which makes them a valuable addition to the AFL. If a new Brisbane club can avg around 20-25k fans, be a regular top 8 team, stay in the black and draw good tv audiences in Qland then they will have achieved as much as can be expected.

I agree.

 

[Perth Red]

Except 2nd team with no point of difference will never work - there's already a team for all Brisbane. In these situations focusing on geographic area has worked best.
Redcliffe is admin center for Morton Bay. Saying locals won't support is like saying people from Granville will reject Parra.
Moreton Bay is not regional - it is part of Brisbane. It counts in TV catchment & will have crosstown rival with Broncos & potentially the Jets if they get in.
2nd & 3rd Brisbane of far more value to NRL then Canberra could ever be.

that’s why ideally in 15 years time we will have

Brisbane Broncos
North Brisbane Dolphins
South Queensland Jets

 

[The Great Dane]

Except 2nd team with no point of difference will never work - there's already a team for all Brisbane. In these situations focusing on geographic area has worked best.

Firstly, there're plenty of ways to differentiate a club from others that have been implemented very successfully other than just geographic differences. The Fibros and the Silvertails is a great example from RL.

Secondly, nobody is saying that a second Brisbane team should be a carbon copy of the Broncos and target the same audience as they do.

All that is being said is that any new Brisbane team should be centrally located (i.e. accessible to the most people possible) and engage as large a market as possible, and not be a small club from an area on the outskirts of the city that is A. hard to get to for the majority of the rest of the city and B. not really appealing for people outside of the clubs immediate suburb to support.

Redcliffe is admin center for Morton Bay. Saying locals won't support is like saying people from Granville will reject Parra.

Actually I'm saying the exact opposite!

I'm saying that nobody from Parramatta and surrounds would support a new Granville team, because the Eels have the more central location (i.e. it's easier to support them), with the more established brand, and Granville isn't really big enough to support it's own club (i.e. it'd be reliant on support from the rest of the Eels market) nor would it have the means to successfully crack into the Eels market.

Moreton Bay is not regional - it is part of Brisbane. It counts in TV catchment & will have crosstown rival with Broncos & potentially the Jets if they get in.

I never suggested that it was regional and unless either Sydney is rationalised or the whole structure of the competition is changed, both of which are extremely unlikely happen, a third Brisbane/surrounding region club is probably a really bad idea for the time being. But that is another discussion.

2nd & 3rd Brisbane of far more value to NRL then Canberra could ever be.

I don't understand what Canberra has to do with the discussion...

 

[The Great Dane]

that’s why ideally in 15 years time we will have

Brisbane Broncos
North Brisbane Dolphins
South Queensland Jets

Once you hit 20 clubs you're pushing the amount that the NRL will be able to sustain for the time being (i.e. the next few generations), so who misses out so Brisbane can have a third team. Adelaide, NZ 2, maybe even Perth?

Unless we're talking rationalising the competition or introducing a conference system (and that would be borderline impossible to do in a fair and sensible way when so much of the competition is based in the one city) a third Brisbane team just isn't really feasible for the time being.

 

[Perth Red]

Once you hit 20 clubs you're pushing the amount that the NRL will be able to sustain for the time being (i.e. the next few generations), so who misses out so Brisbane can have a third team. Adelaide, NZ 2, maybe even Perth?

Unless we're talking rationalising the competition or introducing a conference system (and that would be borderline impossible to do in a fair and sensible way when so much of the competition is based in the one city) a third Brisbane team just isn't really feasible for the time being.

no one, we rationalise the over crowded Sydney market to make space

 

[wain]

no one, we rationalise the over crowded Sydney market to make space

Unlike many on here, I actually agree with most things you say

However, I do think 2 teams for brisbane, as well as Gold Coast is the right amount. Until somewhere like Ipswich or Sunshine Coast has another explosion of growth and perhaps has the poulation to sustain another...I think one more team is optimal.

 

[The Great Dane]

no one, we rationalise the over crowded Sydney market to make space

I'm sure that you know that I'm totally for rationalising Sydney, but mate as a sport we've been talking about rationalisation for probably just over 50 years now, and though we've come close to actually having a proper crack at it a couple of times now, it's never really happened and I highly doubt it ever will happen.

It's especially unlikely while people like V'landys are in charge.

 

[mongoose]

I can see why the NRL might be interested in the Dolphins. They have an impressive set up out there with the modern Leagues club, Health precinct and shopping centre. The NRL would never have to worry about propping them up financially.

https://redcliffeleagues.com.au/club/
http://dolphinshealthprecinct.com.au/
https://www.dolphinscentral.com.au/

 

[flippikat]

Well.. if Redcliffe DO get the nod, I hope the NRL ask them to change (or at least tweak) their colours into something distinctive in the NRL. No such worries with Ipswich/West Brisbane if they get the nod.

 

[MugaB]

Well.. if Redcliffe DO get the nod, I hope the NRL ask them to change (or at least tweak) their colours into something distinctive in the NRL. No such worries with Ipswich/West Brisbane if they get the nod.

Well their logo has Red, White and Silver/grey, that to me already is new color scheme, just as the cowboys and parramatta differ, dolphins and dragons will differ aswell, just have the silver more prominent on the jersey, and on the heritage versions (they used to have a penrith style strip) have the collar and sleeve trim silver

 

[flippikat]

Well their logo has Red, White and Silver/grey, that to me already is new color scheme, just as the cowboys and parramatta differ, dolphins and dragons will differ aswell, just have the silver more prominent on the jersey, and on the heritage versions

Yeah - silver, white & red sounds good. It's a bit like how Port Adelaide had to add real to their traditional colors of black & white when they joined the AFL, but better because silver is already there in the Dolphins logo.

Dragons have red & white, and red & black is still open for another expansion team in future..

 

[flippikat]

something like this with red instead of blue as trim, maybe?

 

[MugaB]

something like this with red instead of blue as trim, maybe?

Yep
Or keep the same current jersey they have, and add silver to collar and sleeve trim, im sure they don't want to have to change their whole color scheme too much, the dragons are generally white and red V, dolphins are mainly red with white stripes

 

[flippikat]

Yep
Or keep the same current jersey they have, and add silver to collar and sleeve trim, im sure they don't want to have to change their whole color scheme too much, the dragons are generally white and red V, dolphins are mainly red with white stripes

Red with silver trim & a bit of white for home.

Silver with red trim & a bit of white for away/alternate.

You could even have a V that looks like a dolphin's tail.

Sounds good.

I wonder if someone with better drawing skills than me could design a mock-up?

 

[Marlins]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/r...m/news-story/1ac3e448c51f372c76d8d9787a79da76
vlandy’s a fan of a 2nd brissy side, argh not so much Perth.