Redcliffe put their hand up

[Stallion]

Mate it is actually quite a simple and realistic question. If Allianz has been deemed as an OH&S disaster waiting to happen, how long do you realistically think Brooky has left? Burying your head in the sand over an issue that will affect Manly in the near future is not a solution. If you don't want to address the question just let me know and I'll stop asking it.

Brookvale is fine. How is a hill seen as a construction issue? I've enjoyed that hill many times ! I don't do grandstands so go for broke their champ!

 

[The Great Dane]

Personally I think the best solution would be a 'North Eastern Super club' as opposed to just Redcliffe trying to go it alone. Something like 'Moreton Bay Dolphins' representing the Moreton Bay region, Far North Brisbane, Sunshine Coast perhaps even as far as Gympie or Bundaberg as far as community engagement and the odd trial go.

Playing at least 10 games at Suncorp with a game at Dolphin Stadium and perhaps Sunshine Coast stadium each year if viable.

Very tough call between that and a Western Corridor based bid encompassing Ipswich, Logan, Western Brisbane, Toowoomba and South Western QLD.

Sorry, did I get on topic?

Actually it's an incredibly easy decision, cause one of the two bids that you are tossing up doesn't actually exist... People just hope that Redcliffe evolves into a north Brisbane/Moreton Bay bid, but as it stands it's just a Redcliffe bid.

So after taking that into consideration I guess you're behind the Western Corridor bid then.

Personally I think that as it stands the Western Corridor bid is the best of a bad lot, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The best result in my opinion would be for the new team to represent Brisbane south of the river, Ipswich, and Logan, and for north of the river and Moreton Bay to be left to the Broncos. That'd be the best result in my opinion, cause I think that we should be planning for there to only be two clubs in Brisbane going into the future cause of restraints on the league, and that seems the most sensible split going forward.

Of course if the NRL were to restructure the competition and/or introduce a proper Pyramid system or whatever, then all bets would be off and you'd probably plan for at least 4 clubs in Brisbane and/or the greater Brisbane region, but I simply can't see that happening even in the long term, definently not in my lifetime.

 

[Stallion]

Actually it's an incredibly easy decision, cause one of the two bids that you are tossing up doesn't actually exist... People just hope that Redcliffe evolves into a north Brisbane/Moreton Bay bid, but as it stands it's just a Redcliffe bid.

So after taking that into consideration I guess you're behind the Western Corridor bid then.

Personally I think that as it stands the Western Corridor bid is the best of a bad lot, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The best result in my opinion would be for the new team to represent Brisbane south of the river, Ipswich, and Logan, and for north of the river and Moreton Bay to be left to the Broncos. That'd be the best result in my opinion, cause I think that we should be planning for there to only be two clubs in Brisbane going into the future cause of restraints on the league, and that seems the most sensible split going forward.

Of course if the NRL were to restructure the competition and/or introduce a proper Pyramid system or whatever, then all bets would be off and you'd probably plan for at least 4 clubs in Brisbane and/or the greater Brisbane region, but I simply can't see that happening even in the long term, definently not in my lifetime.

Ok. As long as a part of Brisbane and surrounds is included I believe that's a good idea. Now giving it a suitable name "Brisbane? ". That's another quandary. But at least a locality representation suggestion is progress. Nice work Great Dane!

 

[The Great Dane]

Their is no win to responding to hypothetical scenarios. I don't respond to mythical negative scenarios. I aim to assist in avoiding such hyperbole. My comments are based on fact (eg the obvious decline of the code in the abandoned North Sydney) The logic proposed by you dudes is not proven and is very disrespectful of longstanding and well known clubs and the many advantages that go with that. My stance is based on historical relevance and localism. Something you do not see as important!

Except that noting that has been presented to you is hypothetical, it's literally what Manly is facing going forward...

Brookvale is fine. How is a hill seen as a construction issue? I've enjoyed that hill many times ! I don't do grandstands so go for broke their champ!

Oooooh, so it's ok that Brookvale is falling apart cause it wont fall on you.
Lol, you're f##king unbelievable, and the sad thing is that I'm pretty sure that you aren't a troll...

BTW, I'd love to see the Stadium that is all hills, cause that'd be frigging hilarious, and the sooner the NRL introduces a centralised stadium strategy similar to the AFLs the better!

 

[Stallion]

Except that noting that has been presented to you is hypothetical, it's literally what Manly is facing going forward...



Oooooh, so it's ok that Brookvale is falling apart cause it wont fall on you.
Lol, you're f##king unbelievable, and the sad thing is that I'm pretty sure that you aren't a troll...

BTW, I'd love to see the Stadium that is all hills, cause that'd be frigging hilarious, and the sooner the NRL introduces a centralised stadium strategy similar to the AFLs the better!

Perhaps you might follow another sensible AFL strategy which involves keeping their existing foundation and longstanding clubs? Woops I don't see any mention of that! That's right we want to destroy the fabric and origins(credibility) of the NRL! What were we thinking! ? Sooshh! Let's not give that very good AFL idea any airplay for rugby league. Let's continue on tearing up the code's long earnt credibility and familiarity sourced from the Sydney clubs which spawned expansion and notoriety for rugbyleague. Oh and we forgot "let's build centralised stadiums in one of the most difficult cities to travel around in bar none! " That's right let's keep digging that hole! Great thinking!

 

[The Great Dane]

Ok. As long as a part of Brisbane and surrounds is included I believe that's a good idea. Now giving it a suitable name "Brisbane? ". That's another quandary. But at least a locality representation suggestion is progress. Nice work Great Dane!

Well if you're going with an established/old BRL or QRL brand for a Southern Brisbane/Ipswich/Logan club the obvious ones would be Magpies (after the Souths Magpies), Jets (Ipswich), Scorpions (Logan), Tigers (Easts, Coorparoo), or even Clydesdales (Toowoomba).
For Obvious reasons Tigers is out, unless you want to merge Wests with them lol, Clydesdales is way to similar to Broncos (besides I think trying to include Toowoomba will stretch the club to thin) and the Magpies and Jets are still around so you'd need an agreement with the clubs to use their brands (and besides as you know, both names were in use by Sydney clubs in the past, which probably isn't ideal), which isn't impossible (the Western Corridor bid is aligned with the Jets and is almost certainly going to use the Jets brand for example) but it poses problems, so that leaves the Scorpions.

I'm pretty sure that the Logan Scorpions are dead and buried (there have been a few attempts to resurrect them over the years so they may be back again at junior level or something), and their brand is the most unique one of the 'south Brisbane' clubs brands, especially in RL terms, the only thing you'd have to change is the colours cause they were blue and yellow and wore jerseys that were effectively carbon copies of Parramatta jerseys most of the time. You would have to find out if anybody still owns the copyright and if so then who, and buy it from them though.

If you're going for a completely original name then fire away I guess, your only limit is the limit of your imagination. I know that in the past when names for a new Brisbane club has been discussed on these forums that Kookaburras, Brisbane Browns, and all sorts of other names have been thrown around.
In a perfect world the aim should be to have something that is as unique as possible and as relevant as possible, but the world ain't perfect as the Titans and Brisbane Bombers prove...

 

[The Great Dane]

Perhaps you might follow another sensible AFL strategy which involves keeping their existing foundation and longstanding clubs? Woops I don't see any mention of that! That's right we want to destroy the fabric and origins(credibility) of the NRL! What were we thinking! ? Sooshh! Let's not give that very good AFL idea any airplay for rugby league. Let's continue on tearing up the code's long earnt credibility and familiarity sourced from the Sydney clubs which spawned expansion and notoriety for rugbyleague. Oh and we forgot "let's build centralised stadiums in one of the most difficult cities to travel around in bar none! " That's right let's keep digging that hole! Great thinking!

I'm talking only from experience here but by and large the Sydney clubs (rather the amount of them in the comp) take credibility away from the competition, not give it credibility, especially when you are trying to sell the comp as a national one...

But whatever dude keep living in your fairy world.

 

[Stallion]

Well if you're going with an established/old BRL or QRL brand for a Southern Brisbane/Ipswich/Logan club the obvious ones would be Magpies (after the Souths Magpies), Jets (Ipswich), Scorpions (Logan), Tigers (Easts, Coorparoo), or even Clydesdales (Toowoomba).
For Obvious reasons Tigers is out, unless you want to merge Wests with them lol, Clydesdales is way to similar to Broncos (besides I think trying to include Toowoomba will stretch the club to thin) and the Magpies and Jets are still around so you'd need an agreement with the clubs to use their brands (and besides as you know, both names were in use by Sydney clubs in the past, which probably isn't ideal), which isn't impossible (the Western Corridor bid is aligned with the Jets and is almost certainly going to use the Jets brand for example) but it poses problems, so that leaves the Scorpions.

I'm pretty sure that the Logan Scorpions are dead and buried (there have been a few attempts to resurrect them over the years so they may be back again at junior level or something), and their brand is the most unique one of the 'south Brisbane' clubs brands, especially in RL terms, the only thing you'd have to change is the colours cause they were blue and yellow and wore jerseys that were effectively carbon copies of Parramatta jerseys most of the time. You would have to find out if anybody still owns the copyright and if so then who, and buy it from them though.

If you're going for a completely original name then fire away I guess, your only limit is the limit of your imagination. I know that in the past when names for a new Brisbane club has been discussed on these forums that Kookaburras, Brisbane Browns, and all sorts of other names have been thrown around.
In a perfect world the aim should be to have something that is as unique as possible and as relevant as possible, but the world ain't perfect as the Titans and Brisbane Bombers prove...

Any local animals that start with B? Or perhaps Brisbane Stallions? Now that would create iinstant rivalry with the Broncos!

 

[The Great Dane]

Any local animals that start with B? Or perhaps Brisbane Stallions? Now that would create iinstant rivalry with the Broncos!

Brown snakes, hence Brisbane Browns, Brisbane Bats, Brisbane Bandicoots, Brisbane Barracudas, Brisbane Barn Owls (or just Owls with a Barn Owl in the logo), Brisbane Bull Sharks (particularly relevant in Brisbanes case, but probably not appropriate with Cronulla and all) I'm sure if I thought about it I could come up with more.

You could also go with Brisbane Bulls (not very original though), Brisbane Buffalo, Brisbane Boars, Brisbane Bucks (again not very original), Brisbane Brahmans, they're all introduced but present in/around Brisbane or the South Queensland region.

Don't restrict yourself to only native/animals present in the region or even only animals though, Brisbane Battalion, Brisbane Badgers, Brisbane Baboons, Brisbane Bikies, Bushrangers, Braves (not very original), Bandits (NVO), Banditos, etc, etc, etc... Dare I say it Brisbane Bears!

But you shouldn't be tied to the idea that the name must start with a B either, but I'm sure that you get the point.

 

[Stallion]

Well if you're going with an established/old BRL or QRL brand for a Southern Brisbane/Ipswich/Logan club the obvious ones would be Magpies (after the Souths Magpies), Jets (Ipswich), Scorpions (Logan), Tigers (Easts, Coorparoo), or even Clydesdales (Toowoomba).
For Obvious reasons Tigers is out, unless you want to merge Wests with them lol, Clydesdales is way to similar to Broncos (besides I think trying to include Toowoomba will stretch the club to thin) and the Magpies and Jets are still around so you'd need an agreement with the clubs to use their brands (and besides as you know, both names were in use by Sydney clubs in the past, which probably isn't ideal), which isn't impossible (the Western Corridor bid is aligned with the Jets and is almost certainly going to use the Jets brand for example) but it poses problems, so that leaves the Scorpions.

I'm pretty sure that the Logan Scorpions are dead and buried (there have been a few attempts to resurrect them over the years so they may be back again at junior level or something), and their brand is the most unique one of the 'south Brisbane' clubs brands, especially in RL terms, the only thing you'd have to change is the colours cause they were blue and yellow and wore jerseys that were effectively carbon copies of Parramatta jerseys most of the time. You would have to find out if anybody still owns the copyright and if so then who, and buy it from them though.

If you're going for a completely original name then fire away I guess, your only limit is the limit of your imagination. I know that in the past when names for a new Brisbane club has been discussed on these forums that Kookaburras, Brisbane Browns, and all sorts of other names have been thrown around.
In a perfect world the aim should be to have something that is as unique as possible and as relevant as possible, but the world ain't perfect as the Titans and Brisbane Bombers prove...

Any local animals that start with B? Or perhaps Brisbane Stallions? Now that would create iinstant rivalry with the Broncos!

Brown snakes, hence Brisbane Browns, Brisbane Bats, Brisbane Bandicoots, Brisbane Barracudas, Brisbane Barn Owls (or just Owls with a Barn Owl in the logo), Brisbane Bull Sharks (particularly relevant in Brisbanes case, but probably not appropriate with Cronulla and all) I'm sure if I thought about it I could come up with more.

You could also go with Brisbane Bulls (not very original though), Brisbane Buffalo, Brisbane Boars, Brisbane Bucks (again not very original), Brisbane Brahmans, they're all introduced but present in/around Brisbane or the South Queensland region.

Don't restrict yourself to only native/animals present in the region or even only animals though, Brisbane Battalion, Brisbane Badgers, Brisbane Baboons, Brisbane Bikies, Bushrangers, Braves (not very original), Bandits (NVO), Banditos, etc, etc, etc... Dare I say it Brisbane Bears!

But you shouldn't be tied to the idea that the name must start with a B either, but I'm sure that you get the point.

Brisbane Badgers and I do think Brisbane Stallions may be handy as well. It goes with your advice on not sticking to B as a theme.

Another suggestion BRISBANE MONSTERS!.A surefire way of attracting kids etc. A few progressive ideas Good stuff Great Dane!

 

[ReddFelon]

How pathetic! You have just abandoned northern Sydney. I can tell you are a rah rah for sure.Protecting a rugby union nest ! It's pretty obvious!

Okay numpty, let's do this the easy way. Sit down and pay attention;

Manly Marlins Major Sponsors:
Mounties Group
Emirates Airlines
Hunter Burton Capital
PremierState
Sparke Hellmore Lawyers
Paladin Sports

Warringah Rats Major Sponsors:
Bayfields Hotel Group
United Resource Management
Harvey Norman
Harley Davidson
Domino's Pizza
Kennards Hire
ISC

Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Major Sponsors:
United Resource Management
Lottoland
Shaw & Partners
ISC
Temporary Fence Hire

You notice anything weird about those lists? Here's one; an amateur sports club is being sponsored by an international airline. Or how about this one the Sea Eagles largest corporate support is coming from a rubbish collection company and a soon to be illegal betting company.

While our two biggest rivals for corporate support within the same suburb have similar contracts with the same sponsors alongside the power to lure much larger sponsors like resort companies, venture capital groups, airlines and billion dollar fast food chains.

The full lists are much longer if you'd care to check out their websites, but I feel like my point is made.

Just to add to it though here's the comparison between Northern Suburbs and the Bears.

Northern Suburbs:
DHL
Wilson Parking
SgFleet
University of Wollongong
The Australian Institute of Fitness
Kelly & Partners Chartered Accountants

North Sydney Bears:
Thousand Hands Australia
North's Leagues Club
Bank of Queensland
JJ Lawson
Voice Print Data

And here's the awkward one for you with the exception of the Thousand Hands employment agency and the Norths leagues club, all those other sponsors come as part of their affiliation deal with Souths.

So allow me to try and spell this out as simply as I can; somehow the corporate support on which Manly relies, given the leagues club struggles to break even, is more interested in supporting the competition than they are us. We need to relocate because our brand doesn't hold the clout it did in the 80s/90s, we went from Pepsi sponsorships to bin companies and illegal gambling websites. Our stadium is falling apart and rather than make the smart decision to move and embrace a new market where we would dominate corporate support and have a superior facility that would also cost less due to the already present A-League team, you'd rather spend every minute telling us that the reserve grade side who are reliant on their leagues club and flow on sponsors from Souths is a better option than biting the bullet and accepting that Sydney is so overcrowded that teams are competing for endorsements from frozen desserts, bin lickers and choc milk.

 

[Stallion]

Okay numpty, let's do this the easy way. Sit down and pay attention;

Manly Marlins Major Sponsors:
Mounties Group
Emirates Airlines
Hunter Burton Capital
PremierState
Sparke Hellmore Lawyers
Paladin Sports

Warringah Rats Major Sponsors:
Bayfields Hotel Group
United Resource Management
Harvey Norman
Harley Davidson
Domino's Pizza
Kennards Hire
ISC

Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Major Sponsors:
United Resource Management
Lottoland
Shaw & Partners
ISC
Temporary Fence Hire

You notice anything weird about those lists? Here's one; an amateur sports club is being sponsored by an international airline. Or how about this one the Sea Eagles largest corporate support is coming from a rubbish collection company and a soon to be illegal betting company.

While our two biggest rivals for corporate support within the same suburb have similar contracts with the same sponsors alongside the power to lure much larger sponsors like resort companies, venture capital groups, airlines and billion dollar fast food chains.

The full lists are much longer if you'd care to check out their websites, but I feel like my point is made.

Just to add to it though here's the comparison between Northern Suburbs and the Bears.

Northern Suburbs:
DHL
Wilson Parking
SgFleet
University of Wollongong
The Australian Institute of Fitness
Kelly & Partners Chartered Accountants

North Sydney Bears:
Thousand Hands Australia
North's Leagues Club
Bank of Queensland
JJ Lawson
Voice Print Data

And here's the awkward one for you with the exception of the Thousand Hands employment agency and the Norths leagues club, all those other sponsors come as part of their affiliation deal with Souths.

So allow me to try and spell this out as simply as I can; somehow the corporate support on which Manly relies, given the leagues club struggles to break even, is more interested in supporting the competition than they are us. We need to relocate because our brand doesn't hold the clout it did in the 80s/90s, we went from Pepsi sponsorships to bin companies and illegal gambling websites. Our stadium is falling apart and rather than make the smart decision to move and embrace a new market where we would dominate corporate support and have a superior facility that would also cost less due to the already present A-League team, you'd rather spend every minute telling us that the reserve grade side who are reliant on their leagues club and flow on sponsors from Souths is a better option than biting the bullet and accepting that Sydney is so overcrowded that teams are competing for endorsements from frozen desserts, bin lickers and choc milk.

Absolutely garbage! You honestly think a top flight North Sydney would not command the lion share of sponsors in the North Sydney area? You are an ignorant and disrespectfull piece of work. Go back to your union origins ! You clearly have a damaging and quite disrespectful regard for rugby league. Picked you early in the piece! Remember you are comparing league to union . How dare you! Union is crap! But with slimy dudes like yourself doing your undermining deeds it gets its free kicks in pervasive ways. Back to your Pimms!

 

[jim_57]

Actually it's an incredibly easy decision, cause one of the two bids that you are tossing up doesn't actually exist... People just hope that Redcliffe evolves into a north Brisbane/Moreton Bay bid, but as it stands it's just a Redcliffe bid.

So after taking that into consideration I guess you're behind the Western Corridor bid then.

Personally I think that as it stands the Western Corridor bid is the best of a bad lot, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The best result in my opinion would be for the new team to represent Brisbane south of the river, Ipswich, and Logan, and for north of the river and Moreton Bay to be left to the Broncos. That'd be the best result in my opinion, cause I think that we should be planning for there to only be two clubs in Brisbane going into the future cause of restraints on the league, and that seems the most sensible split going forward.

Of course if the NRL were to restructure the competition and/or introduce a proper Pyramid system or whatever, then all bets would be off and you'd probably plan for at least 4 clubs in Brisbane and/or the greater Brisbane region, but I simply can't see that happening even in the long term, definently not in my lifetime.

Of course that is just how I'd like to see it happen mate, this a sub forum based mainly on hypotheticals.

Redcliffe evolving in to a "Moreton Bay" type bid is the only logical way they could come in to consideration so of course people here are going to roll with the idea of that being the way it may go.

I too think at this time Western Corridor is the best of the lot but it could definitely improve. Thing is though these bids aren't set in stone, the NRL hasn't called for bids. When such a time comes I'd imagine the NRL probably won't just "take what they're given" anyway, they'll work with the strongest bids to create a scenario that works best for them and the cities involved. It will be 15+ years between the Titans and the next expansion team/s, I doubt the NRL are going to half arse it with bids that are half of what they could be.

 

[ReddFelon]

Absolutely garbage! You honestly think a top flight North Sydney would not command the lion share of sponsors in the North Sydney area? You are an ignorant and disrespectfull piece of work.

Name one time at any point in history when North Sydney had any major control of corporate sponsors? Better yet go back to pretending you're on the phone with Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Packer's ghost.

 

[Stallion]

Name one time at any point in history when North Sydney had any major control of corporate sponsors? Better yet go back to pretending you're on the phone with Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Packer's ghost.

Seem to recall Citibank as a sponsor!? You are typically disrespectful from your pro union stance.You have a hide putting your sly dirty work in this rugby league website.Back to your Pimms!

 

[ReddFelon]

Seem to recall Citibank as a sponsor!? You are typically disrespectful from your pro union stance.You have a hide putting your sly dirty work in this rugby league website.Back to your Pimms!

You have zero understanding of economics, business or the market. As I said, explain why the Sea Eagles are struggling to attract corporate support while an amateur sports club is able to attract an international airline.

This is precisely why your views on the second Brisbane club are equally lacking in any logic or understanding of the market.

 

[Stallion]

You have zero understanding of economics, business or the market. As I said, explain why the Sea Eagles are struggling to attract corporate support while an amateur sports club is able to attract an international airline.

This is precisely why your views on the second Brisbane club are equally lacking in any logic or understanding of the market.

I understand you are doing your bit too to minimise and constrain rugby-league. That's your go! Remembering union does have contacts/friends high up in the corporate world that will "donate" money to that undeserving code. I don't think you know how privilege and class associations work! Then again you would but you're seeking to undermine rugby league's better ability to attract sponsors as a result of it being a superior sport to view. Not just a connection/friends in high places set up as dominates the union sponsorship scenario. Get that one up ya Rah rah! Truth hurts but no doubt you will continue to twist it!

 

[Perth Red]

Reddvignore him. Like an itchy arsehole, the more you scratch it the more irratating it becomes. Back to Redcliffe bid.........

 

[Stallion]

Reddvignore him. Like an itchy arsehole, the more you scratch it the more irratating it becomes. Back to Redcliffe bid.........

Idiot! And an ignorant piece of work you are! Try understanding Australian sporting culture before you try to dismantle it with your rants!

 

[Perth Red]

Idiot! And an ignorant piece of work you are! Try understanding Australian sporting culture before you try to dismantle it with your rants!

My point is proven. Cu.