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[titoelcolombiano]

How pathetic! You have just abandoned northern Sydney. I can tell you are a rah rah for sure.Protecting a rugby union nest ! It's pretty obvious!

In all honesty, the Eagles will be forced to move from there one way or another. It's either Allianz or Central Coast (neither are on the north shore of Sydney). Brookevale's expiry date is quickly approaching, especially when the new stadia are built - they will quickly get left behind by other clubs if they don't make a move

 

[Stallion]

@Stallion there you go mate - from the mouth of a Manly fan!

Lol . You mean a closet rugby union fan!

 

[Stallion]

In all honesty, the Eagles will be forced to move from there one way or another. It's either Allianz or Central Coast (neither are on the north shore of Sydney). Brookevale's expiry date is quickly approaching, especially when the new stadia are built - they will quickly get left behind by other clubs if they don't make a move

Absolutely diabolical chatter from you lot! I've seen some negative and defeatist stances on this site but you two are right up there as the worst!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol . You mean a closet rugby union fan!

No, hate it and AFL with a passion. I just want our game to grow and Manly aren't going to grow at Brookevale.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Absolutely diabolical chatter from you lot! I've seen some negative and defeatist stances on this site but you two are right up there as the worst!

What do you propose for Manly? You have mentioned redevelopment of Brookevale or a new Northern Sydney stadium previously but neither are going to happen. So considering that, what do you propose? Brookevale is the worst ground in the NRL by a long shot.

 

[The Great Dane]

Absolutely diabolical chatter from you lot! I've seen some negative and defeatist stances on this site but you two are right up there as the worst!

Well go on then give us your solution.

Brookvale is literally falling down at this point, if Australia was ever going to have a similar event to the Heysel or Hillsborough disasters the smart money would be on it happening at Brookvale.
Brookvale simply isn't going to get upgraded, and even if it was at this point it'd need a knockdown rebuild and why would a government bother building a brand new stadium in Brookvale? If they were going to go to the trouble of doing that they'd build it in a centralised location, and that isn't Brookvale or anywhere in NS frankly.

So realistically Manly is eventually going to be forced to leave Brookvale, and the NSW government isn't going to build a suitable stadium for them in NS, cause they simply aren't going to all that expense for a stadium that isn't in a central location and realistically would only be for one tenant, so what do they do?!

They're going to be forced to move and the two most logical locations are either Allianz or the CC.

If you've got a better solution I think everybody would love to hear it, especially Manly!

 

[Stallion]

What do you propose for Manly? You have mentioned redevelopment of Brookevale or a new Northern Sydney stadium previously but neither are going to happen. So considering that, what do you propose? Brookevale is the worst ground in the NRL by a long shot.

I choose to wait if that's the alternative! Manly to keep using Brookvale(I've been there and it's fine!) and get the Bears back as the Central Coast Bears with links to North Sydney . Now that's not destroying rugby league in Northern Sydney. It's strengthening the code which is something your version does not do at all!

 

[Stallion]

No, hate it and AFL with a passion. I just want our game to grow and Manly aren't going to grow at Brookevale.

Unfortunately your heart is in the right place however your strategy incurs disaster for the code. The longtime associations the code has on northern Sydney are being eroded by the path you propose. I believe you are a fan of rugby league however the tact you propose weakens the code in this massive and influential area of Sydney and the eastern seaboard.

 

[Stallion]

Well go on then give us your solution.

Brookvale is literally falling down at this point, if Australia was ever going to have a similar event to the Heysel or Hillsborough disasters the smart money would be on it happening at Brookvale.
Brookvale simply isn't going to get upgraded, and even if it was at this point it'd need a knockdown rebuild and why would a government bother building a brand new stadium in Brookvale? If they were going to go to the trouble of doing that they'd build it in a centralised location, and that isn't Brookvale or anywhere in NS frankly.

So realistically Manly is eventually going to be forced to leave Brookvale, and the NSW government isn't going to build a suitable stadium for them in NS, cause they simply aren't going to all that expense for a stadium that isn't in a central location and realistically would only be for one tenant, so what do they do?!

They're going to be forced to move and the two most logical locations are either Allianz or the CC.

If you've got a better solution I think everybody would love to hear it, especially Manly!

You just don't get it! Locally relevant grounds are the only option. Build/revamp whatever. You don't put a supporter base at the SFS from Nothern Sydney! That's ludicrous! The game must stop running away from this massive area. Defeatist logic does the code no good whatsoever.

 

[Stallion]

Well go on then give us your solution.

Brookvale is literally falling down at this point, if Australia was ever going to have a similar event to the Heysel or Hillsborough disasters the smart money would be on it happening at Brookvale.
Brookvale simply isn't going to get upgraded, and even if it was at this point it'd need a knockdown rebuild and why would a government bother building a brand new stadium in Brookvale? If they were going to go to the trouble of doing that they'd build it in a centralised location, and that isn't Brookvale or anywhere in NS frankly.

So realistically Manly is eventually going to be forced to leave Brookvale, and the NSW government isn't going to build a suitable stadium for them in NS, cause they simply aren't going to all that expense for a stadium that isn't in a central location and realistically would only be for one tenant, so what do they do?!

They're going to be forced to move and the two most logical locations are either Allianz or the CC.

If you've got a better solution I think everybody would love to hear it, especially Manly!

Be patient. Stay at Brookvale and resurrect the Bears on the Central Coast. That's the solution. A meaningful and popular local derby back and kids along with locals once again relating to rugby league.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You just don't get it! Locally relevant grounds are the only option. Build/revamp whatever. You don't put a supporter base at the SFS from Nothern Sydney! That's ludicrous! The game must stop running away from this massive area. Defeatist logic does the code no good whatsoever.

Yes, ideally Manly play at Brooky - it is their home. But I am trying to engage you on the reality of the situation. Brooky is quickly coming to the end of its time. Manly don't have the money for redevelopment, Brookevale council aren't interested, the NRL won't invest in it, Stadiums NSW said that their strategy is to invest in big stadia not suburban grounds from now on. So, what is your proposal considering the reality of the situation?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I choose to wait if that's the alternative! Manly to keep using Brookvale(I've been there and it's fine!) and get the Bears back as the Central Coast Bears with links to North Sydney . Now that's not destroying rugby league in Northern Sydney. It's strengthening the code which is something your version does not do at all!

And what if due to the state of the ground or OH&S issues Brooky is not allowed to be used for NRL matches in the future? What do we do then?

I am not against your train of thought of them staying at Brooky if they can somehow get a developer interested but it doesn't look likely. My ideal in Sydney would be:

Manly out of a redeveloped, botique Brooky
Roosters out of the new Allianz
Sharks out of a redeveloped botique Shark Park
Dogs & Souths out of the new ANZ
Eels & Tigers out of the new Parra Stadium
Dragons out of Woollongong with one heratige match at Kograh and the Anzac match at Allianz
Penrith out of a redeveloped, botique Panthers Stadium

I have to realise though that there is a fair bit of my scenario that is fantasy that probably won't happen

 

[Stallion]

Yes, ideally Manly play at Brooky - it is their home. But I am trying to engage you on the reality of the situation. Brooky is quickly coming to the end of its time. Manly don't have the money for redevelopment, Brookevale council aren't interested, the NRL won't invest in it, Stadiums NSW said that their strategy is to invest in big stadia not suburban grounds from now on. So, what is your proposal considering the reality of the situation?

Wait and enjoy Brookvale (which isn't a bad ground at all!). Hopefully the necessary funding to upgrade will occur.Abandoning the area just like what has happened in North Sydney is not the answer. Getting the Bears back would be wise as well!

 

[Stallion]

And what if due to the state of the ground or OH&S issues Brooky is not allowed to be used for NRL matches in the future? What do we do then?

I am not against your train of thought of them staying at Brooky if they can somehow get a developer interested but it doesn't look likely. My ideal in Sydney would be:

Manly out of a redeveloped, botique Brooky
Roosters out of the new Allianz
Sharks out of a redeveloped botique Shark Park
Dogs & Souths out of the new ANZ
Eels & Tigers out of the new Parra Stadium
Dragons out of Woollongong with one heratige match at Kograh and the Anzac match at Allianz
Penrith out of a redeveloped, botique Panthers Stadium

I have to realise though that there is a fair bit of my scenario that is fantasy that probably won't happen

It would be great if the boutique stadiums could hold 25000. Now that would be progress.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Who is going to pay for the upgrades! Who is going to pay for the maintenance! Like peanuts, money doesn't grow on trees!

 

[Stallion]

Who is going to pay for the upgrades! Who is going to pay for the maintenance! Like peanuts, money doesn't grow on trees!

I would suggest the other way is the quickest way to ruin the code and the clubs! But then again you experts would know! Lol. Your tact would destroy the code!

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I would suggest the other way is the quickest way to ruin the code and the clubs! But then again you experts would know! Lol. Your tact would destroy the code!

I ask again: who is paying for all these stadium upgrades! Your pocket money?!

 

[jim_57]

I would suggest the other way is the quickest way to ruin the code and the clubs! But then again you experts would know! Lol. Your tact would destroy the code!

North Sydney have been gone for 20 years. When exactly does the code get "destroyed" and why the delay?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I ask again: who is paying for all these stadium upgrades! Your pocket money?!

I agree. Unfortunately @Stallion the reality is that some grounds will not be used for too much longer into the future. Brooky has been a great ground over the years but time is nearly up. If you have to be faced with the reality, no Brooky for OH&S reasons and no new stadium getting built on the northside by the NSW Govt, then what would you do?

 

[Stallion]

I ask again: who is paying for all these stadium upgrades! Your pocket money?!

Put it this way. Your way is destined for the code's demise. The other way it's gotta chance!